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The Dark Knight - A Serious Entry


Queen of Noise

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Okay, someone needs to say it.

 

 

The Dark Knight wasn't all that great of a film.

 

 

Everyone on this site seems so obsessed with this movie; I do not understand why.

 

Yes, it was entertaining and had some nice cerebral elements which are rare in popcorn flicks, but there was nothing truly groundbreaking in the feature, and nothing very soul-searching either. It presented a nice amalgamation of techniques, both filmic and storytelling, developed by other people and other films. It is a product of a well-honed Hollywood studio; it is entertainment; it succeeds at what it is. What it is, however, does nothing new, reaches for no unconquered heights, and strives for no new artistic echelons. It's a fun film and it's a visually exciting film, but not a great film.

 

Aaron Eckhart, Heath Ledger, and Morgan Freeman gave good performances; the rest were forgettable. Michael Caine was a self-parody and Christian Bale was excruciatingly wooden (a shame, since he is actually not a terrible actor - I recommend The Prestige for anyone wishing to see a good performance by him). Much has been made of Heath Ledger's performance, to the point of hagiography. This is absurd. It was, as I stated previously, a good performance, but let us face simple facts: Acting crazy is the second-easiest thing to do in the acting world (the easiest being 'acting angry'). Mr. Ledger did a superb job acting crazy, enough to literally chill, but it was ultimately not a truly impressive role. To be perfectly frank, Eckhart's was the best acting in the film.

 

I enjoyed The Dark Knight a lot. But it is not a masterpiece of cinema.

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I don't study movies or anything, so I honestly don't care whether it was a "masterpiece". It was impressive, it was entertaining, and that's all I ask for.

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Uhm, have you actually ever tried acting crazy like that? It is slightly more difficult then the "second-easiest thing in the world".

Very many times. I have been in fifteen theatrical plays and other assorted productions (I'm currently starring in a music video; filming will be done soon).

 

Acting crazy isn't the second-easiest thing in the world, it's the second-easiest thing in acting - read what I said.

 

And as I said, I don't mean to disparage Mr. Ledger, he did a good job acting crazy. It's just not all that shockingly impressive insofar as acting goes, and I am confident he himself would have agreed with that assertion (he was a superb actor).

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I like the movie. Not for the acting, but the imagery. Admittedly, it doesn't take all that much to amuse, even impress, me when it comes to movies, mainly because I don't wantch new movies very much at all, so I'm still trapped in A New Hope spec-effects. :P

 

I also like the powerful score, and music plays a big part with me and how much I like the film.

 

So, yeah. There is no message in the film, and acting is good at best, but I still think it's awesome, if only for my vain reasoning. XD

 

At least I don't run around proclaiming how it's better than everything else like some do. XP

 

~EW~

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I'm not sure you're giving the movie enough credit. Remember, this is an American Action Movie -- it belongs in the same sentence as Batman & Robin, BZP Lovers, GI Joe: Rise of the Cobra, and Transformers 2. However, I'm sure you can agree that TDK is not on the caliber of those movies. It went above and beyond what a normal action movie goes for, and it certainly deserves praise for that.

 

Also, it must be noted that most people can't tell the difference between superb acting and mediocre acting (I certainly can't). When Christian Bale appeared on the big screen, I saw him as Bruce Wayne (attempting to be Batman, but still I think he did a good job with being Wayne). Same for Michael Caine (though I'll admit I've seen very little -- if any -- of his other movies). Many people also don't really have the cinematic know-hows to realize the merits (or demerits) of certain aspects of film. You're better able to analyze it when you know the craft better. This applied to me when I first got into music. For example, Hip-Hop was once my favorite genre. It had awesome rhythms, and the way MCs could fit their lyrics to the beat was unbelievable. Then, I started getting into music, picking up the Trombone and learning practically all there was to know about Jazz and Classical. I also started composing my own music, all of which led me to have a much sharper ear. Now, these same hip hop songs sound terrible to me because I can hear many things that I simply didn't notice before. It's the same thing with movies. I did not see what you saw when you watched the movie. I saw an epic encounter between Batman and the creepy Joker.

 

Is this a problem? For some, maybe, but not for me. My attention is focused on technology, and I also have an enhanced ear for music. I can do what many can't and type letters into a console and create what people in the past have paid money for someone else to make for them. I'm not a movie person, but I am a music guy and a programmer, which are skills by themselves.

 

Also, you're in a music video?! That is something to make ten blog entries about! :bigeek:

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I liked it. As an action flick, as a superhero flick, and as a Batman flick, it did a superb job.

 

As far as anyone claiming it deserves Masterpiece status, I think that only holds water for those who've not seen a true masterpiece before or recognized what made it one. Whatever else it might be, and it certainly does many things well, The Dark Knight is still a film in the tradition of commercial pop culture and it never breaks out of that mold.

 

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Here here, LW. To be honest, I was a little bored with it... it just dragged on and on in some sense. Parts were good, but even then I still wouldn't rank it on a list of my favorite movies.

 

Also, on a literary note, I had to look up the meaning of "hagiography." >_<

 

T~L

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Agreed. In one sense, I love the Batman movie styles of making that inspiring dark imagery, it has some good deep views to think on, and who doesn't love Batman? But it is not a masterpiece. I wish people would sit down and watch movies like Roman Holiday, Rear Window, It's a Wonderful Life, August Rush, Slumdog Millionaire, Lord of the Rings, etc. (all IMO); those are real inspiring stories that should last a long time.

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Agreed. In one sense, I love the Batman movie styles of making that inspiring dark imagery, it has some good deep views to think on, and who doesn't love Batman? But it is not a masterpiece. I wish people would sit down and watch movies like Roman Holiday, Rear Window, It's a Wonderful Life, August Rush, Slumdog Millionaire, Lord of the Rings, etc. (all IMO); those are real inspiring stories that should last a long time.

 

Those movies are awesome [and I also recommend Finding Forrester -- kinda like August Rush, but it has to do with writing instead of music], but TDK still beats all, IMO.

 

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To be perfectly frank, Eckhart's was the best acting in the film.

This. Yay.

 

But mostly I liked it because it was the second comic book-based superhero movie that hasn't made me incredibly angry. The first was Iron Man, though that was half because, at the time, Iron Man in the comics was making me incredibly angry, and the movie got the character more than the comics these days do.

 

The Dark Knight also got the whole Batman and Joker and Two Face thing down pretty well itself and it wasn't a grotesque miserable mockery of what I like about Batman, which is more than we can say about most of these kind of movies.

 

But um, yeah, as impressive as that is, we gotta remember what it's competing against. Most things look like cinematic masterpieces compared to Batman and Robin. :P

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I still haven't seen it, but it's kind of pleasant to find someone who isn't running around yelling just how amazing of a movie it is and that anyone who doesn't absolutely adore every second of it must have something wrong with them.

 

Maybe it's just the people here on my campus who are like that, though....

 

-Nukaya

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Needs more Two-Face.

 

Don't forget the movie was oversold before the movie was released, due to Heath Ledger's death. People were praising his performance from just the clips. :bored:

 

And what good did any Academy Award do him afterward?

 

I did like it, and I think it was better than <i>Batman Begins</i>; seriously, that spinning camera wasn't too fun to watch. Of course, it was the second of the series, so it's likely to be the best if past, recent trilogies is any indication.

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I just loved the movie because it was such fun to watch, had more quality than most other big movies, and had Heath Ledger's Joker. I never have considered it a cinematic masterpiece. Just a really enjoyable action film.

 

-Nuju Metru

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I really like the movie, but mainly because of what it adds to the character. I was never a Batman fan before The Dark Knight. Why? Because all I had ever seen was the animated series and Adam West. I did not (and still do not) like the fact that no matter what happened, Batman had a gadget for everything. I had never even glanced at a Batman graphic novel before, because I thought he was cheesy. Plus, his so-called greatest villain, The Joker, was a weirdo who had joke-ish crimes, more funny than intimidating. Also, being immature, I didn't like Batman's (often) brutality towards criminals. In a nutshell, I thought I was a Spider-Man fan for life.

 

But then I saw The Dark Knight. I had seen the first movie, but when I was ten, and was scared to death of Scarecrow. I saw The Dark Knight with a friend, and only because he wanted to see it. I came into the theater with an open mind after seeing its four starred review in the paper, and loved it. I have hyped it up a lot, and I realize that, but it is only because it was the very thing that converted me to Batman at all. A good analogy to this was when I heard Dark Side of the Moon for the first time. It got me thinking "Hey! I'm cool! This album is acclaimed, and I like it too!" I suddenly loved Pink Floyd. Then I picked up Wish You Were Here, which Rolling Stone doesn't like. I love it. I have since forgotten Dark Side of the Moon.

 

Sorry to rant a bit there.

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*drops by*

 

Well, I guess everyone has different tastes, so what you may like may not appeal to others, and vice versa. And I respect that. See, 'coz I, for one, thought The Dark Knight was a great film, but I doubt something like Godfather or Gone With the Wind or something won't be as enjoyable, since they don't appeal to my tastes, even though they were considered masterpieces. =P

 

Now if you could please do a similar entry about Slumdog Millionaire and Wall-E. :P

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