I gripe about people who say "dinner" instead of "supper".

One of the best quotes from a Tolkien work.

Thusly, one of the best quotes from anything.

~Bunda

I gripe about people who say "dinner" instead of "supper".

I disagree - I hardly think it matters what people view as 'good' weather is. In a sense it kinda adds to the small talk because then you can have a discussion on what 'good' weather is and such. It leads on to elaboration if it is necessery, rather than elaborating straight away. Ambiguity is good sometimes. Something like that anyway.

It's not an expression of fact...at least it doesn't sound like that whenever I say it or hear it from others. It's all opinion, and sounds like opinion, so it can be agreed upon or disputed.

I can't believe I'm arguing about the weather. >.<

I gripe about people who say "dinner" instead of "supper".

Quote for truth.

 

I disagree - I hardly think it matters what people view as 'good' weather is. In a sense it kinda adds to the small talk because then you can have a discussion on what 'good' weather is and such. It leads on to elaboration if it is necessery, rather than elaborating straight away. Ambiguity is good sometimes. Something like that anyway.

 

It's not an expression of fact...at least it doesn't sound like that whenever I say it or hear it from others. It's all opinion, and sounds like opinion, so it can be agreed upon or disputed.

 

I can't believe I'm arguing about the weather. >.<

 

Ah yes, but then you'll find yourself always talking to people about the weather.

And, take this as an example: "it's a gorgeous day!", as opposed to "I think it's a gorgeous day". While they have more or less the same meaning, I'm the sort of person who believes we should be precise with our use of words; we should say what we mean and mean what we say.

I also don't like people imposing their views and opinions on me, which is probably just a personal thing. It is for this reason that I refuse to talk about music and despise any and all talk surrounding music appreciation. Basically, it comes down to this mentality: "what gives you the right to tell me what is and isn't good?"

"isn't is splendid weather we're having old bean, wot, wot?"

Best part of the whole thing.

I gripe about people who say "dinner" instead of "supper".

Quote for truth.

 

I disagree - I hardly think it matters what people view as 'good' weather is. In a sense it kinda adds to the small talk because then you can have a discussion on what 'good' weather is and such. It leads on to elaboration if it is necessery, rather than elaborating straight away. Ambiguity is good sometimes. Something like that anyway.

 

It's not an expression of fact...at least it doesn't sound like that whenever I say it or hear it from others. It's all opinion, and sounds like opinion, so it can be agreed upon or disputed.

 

I can't believe I'm arguing about the weather. >.<

Ah yes, but then you'll find yourself always talking to people about the weather.

 

And, take this as an example: "it's a gorgeous day!", as opposed to "I think it's a gorgeous day". While they have more or less the same meaning, I'm the sort of person who believes we should be precise with our use of words; we should say what we mean and mean what we say.

 

I also don't like people imposing their views and opinions on me, which is probably just a personal thing. It is for this reason that I refuse to talk about music and despise any and all talk surrounding music appreciation. Basically, it comes down to this mentality: "what gives you the right to tell me what is and isn't good?"

OK, well I get what you're saying. However, I feel I'm kinda the opposite, I like to hear different opinions about certain things like music and weather and stuff, because I personally don't feel I'm being imposed to think that way. Not always, of course, but a lot of the time. That and I'm pretty hypocritical at times anyway.

"isn't is splendid weather we're having old bean, wot, wot?"

Best part of the whole thing.

I agree.

And, take this as an example: "it's a gorgeous day!", as opposed to "I think it's a gorgeous day". While they have more or less the same meaning, I'm the sort of person who believes we should be precise with our use of words; we should say what we mean and mean what we say.

 

I also don't like people imposing their views and opinions on me, which is probably just a personal thing. It is for this reason that I refuse to talk about music and despise any and all talk surrounding music appreciation. Basically, it comes down to this mentality: "what gives you the right to tell me what is and isn't good?"

But when it comes down to talking about things like weather and music, it should be obvious that a person's views on the subject are his own opinions. And if it isn't obvious to them, it should be to you. So for example, when someone suddenly comes to you and exclaims, "HEAVY METAL ROCKSSS!!", would you really bother correcting them? "Um, excuse me, you should've said 'Heavy Metal Rocks IMO'" - it will add nothing to the discussion, and will probably upset that other person who was already prepared to list their favorite bands.

Even if your ideologies are different, you shouldn't disagree. You should simply move the conversation forward by saying "Well, that may be so", and then offering your own opinions on the matter, "...but I'm more of a Classical person myself. Have you heard Mozart's latest single?? His hairdo was so crazy in that music video omg!!" etc.

I solve the problem by avoiding the conversation entirely.

"HEAVY METAL ROCKSSS!!"

"Okay, I'm just going to back away slowly now..."

I don't mind the wind, as long as it's not too cold outside -- it adds a real sense of power to nature, I find; as long as you don't have to shovel it, snow is fantastic to look at

*loves shoveling snow, prefers it "too cold"*

My answer to the characters you would like to be topic was Kopaka, what can I say?

Otherwise, I agree. Sunny weather would be great if people would stop acting so silly about it. It's all got pros and cons, like anything.

Buuuuut, of course they will never stop. So whatever.

I solve the problem by avoiding the conversation entirely.

 

"HEAVY METAL ROCKSSS!!"

 

"Okay, I'm just going to back away slowly now..."

Solve what problem? It's called conversation and it helps with making friends. Some people express their opinions in different ways but differences give you something to talk about.

Using the example above, they say "HEAVY METAL ROCKS!!"

you say "I'm not big on heavy metal, I prefer _______."

Then you listen to some of each others music, exchange opinions and possibly become friends.

If you did what you suggested you'd both think each other were weird, they might be a bit offended, and it's an altogether more negative result.

again, if someone tries to talk to you and you tell them off for objectively qualifying the weather you get a similar result, whereas telling them you prefer overcast weather because it looks nicer it may lead to deeper conversation.

Don't get so worked up about such insignificant things, just relax

I was actually referring to the situation where a complete stranger walks up to you and starts off the conversation like that. Obviously if I knew the person already, I'd be inclined to hear more. But let's suppse someone comes up to you with a conversation idea: "hey, I like eating live puppies, don't you?"

A bit extreme, but there are some things, like weather and music that I'd prefer not to have conversations about. I imagine that there are things I like to talk about that don't interest you either.

And in case you missed it, this was meant to be an exaggeration (obviously if it meant a lot to me, I'd be letting people know personally). The dinner/supper comment was supposed to indicate that.

I prefer my puppies cooked.

shady heat.

Oh sure, sunshine on people's parades.

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Hey, not my fault -- blame the website I stole it from.

I was actually referring to the situation where a complete stranger walks up to you and starts off the conversation like that. Obviously if I knew the person already, I'd be inclined to hear more. But let's suppse someone comes up to you with a conversation idea: "hey, I like eating live puppies, don't you?"

 

A bit extreme, but there are some things, like weather and music that I'd prefer not to have conversations about. I imagine that there are things I like to talk about that don't interest you either.

 

And in case you missed it, this was meant to be an exaggeration (obviously if it meant a lot to me, I'd be letting people know personally). The dinner/supper comment was supposed to indicate that.

I know (and I was aware of the exaggeration) but usually if a complete stranger comes up to you and starts making small talk, they want to be your friend. You should be glad of that and not get caught up on their style of small-talk. Even if you don't mention it, a lot of people will be able to tell.

I think talking about music is great, you can find out a lot about a person from what music they're into, and more-so from how they express their opinion on it, so it's a good way to get to know new people. I also just like being shown new music and introducing people to my music. So I guess I'm slightly biased towards talking about music, but you should give it a go.

I know a big variety of people and I doubt there is anything you like to talk about that doesn't interest me, I do my best to be able to talk to anyone about anything in depth, because everyone has things to say that are worth listening to. Obviously I'm not saying you have to be like that, but if lots of other people want to talk about it, it can't be that bad.

Fact is, EVERYONE does it, so obviously if I actually made a fuss I wouldn't have any friends at all. Yes, I understand how basic conversation works, but it's just something I noticed that we say that's weird -- like if you say "do you mind?" and someone says "yes", when they really mean "no, I don't mind".

My big issue is that English doesn't really have a subjunctive mood any more, i.e. a special way of stating things that may or may not be true and are influenced by emotion as opposed to cold, hard facts. It's a real pain in the butt to use, but it would make me happier about weather-based conversation.

My big issue is that English doesn't really have a subjunctive mood any more, i.e. a special way of stating things that may or may not be true and are influenced by emotion as opposed to cold, hard facts. It's a real pain in the butt to use, but it would make me happier about weather-based conversation.

I agree here, le subjonctif is pretty awesome!