Unless you're popular here, you will be bashed for any ideas you have.

Wow no kidding. I dared to disagree with Aho in the link you posted. He has an army fiercely attacking anyone who doesn't share his opinion. I think I'll just agree with everyone on everything from now on....

Unless you're popular here, you will be bashed for any ideas you have.

Wow no kidding. I dared to disagree with Aho in the link you posted. He has an army fiercely attacking anyone who doesn't share his opinion. I think I'll just agree with everyone on everything from now on....

No, there are several people who agree with Aho - who is a staff member in case you forgot - because he has a great point. I agree with him not because he's popular but because what he said was true.

The "Unless you're popular here your ideas are bashed" thing is totally inaccurate.

Unless you're popular here, you will be bashed for any ideas you have.

Wow no kidding. I dared to disagree with Aho in the link you posted. He has an army fiercely attacking anyone who doesn't share his opinion. I think I'll just agree with everyone on everything from now on....

No, there are several people who agree with Aho - who is a staff member in case you forgot - because he has a great point. I agree with him not because he's popular but because what he said was true.

 

The "Unless you're popular here your ideas are bashed" thing is totally inaccurate.

He does have a point in some cases. But AFAIK the cases he's right in it's already against the rules to do.

I don't care if he's a staff member. I treat staff members just like I treat new members and regular members and premier members. Just because they're staff doesn't make them automatically always right or something.

The "Unless you're popular here your ideas are bashed" thing is totally inaccurate.

Okay, well, maybe it is a bit of an exaggeration, still, I find most people are usually more willing to side with a staff member than a regular member.

Unless you're popular here, you will be bashed for any ideas you have.

Wow no kidding. I dared to disagree with Aho in the link you posted. He has an army fiercely attacking anyone who doesn't share his opinion. I think I'll just agree with everyone on everything from now on....

No, there are several people who agree with Aho - who is a staff member in case you forgot - because he has a great point. I agree with him not because he's popular but because what he said was true.

 

The "Unless you're popular here your ideas are bashed" thing is totally inaccurate.

He does have a point in some cases. But AFAIK the cases he's right in it's already against the rules to do.

 

I don't care if he's a staff member. I treat staff members just like I treat new members and regular members and premier members. Just because they're staff doesn't make them automatically always right or something.

 

The "Unless you're popular here your ideas are bashed" thing is totally inaccurate.

Okay, well, maybe it is a bit of an exaggeration, still, I find most people are usually more willing to side with a staff member than a regular member.

Regular members don't make the rules nor do they enforce them. Staff members are not always right, true - but they do deserve more respect. As someone who has been an administrator on two sites and a moderator on another, I can tell you that it is -not- an easy job at all.

Remember the whole "sexism in BIONICLE" thing that happened a while back? A staff member started that. And many people - perhaps a majority, it's hard to tell - including myself disagreed with him.

Popular people are usually taken notice of more often, yes, but when it comes to disagreements people here generally side with whoever they believe is right, regardless of status.

I guess you're right.

I never think of Aho as staff (Not implying he isn't fit for the job in any way). I think as everyone as who they are. I don't think of staff as 'OH I BETTER BE GOOD OR ELSE AND I SHOULD FEAR THEM AND ALWAYS AGREE WITH THEM'. I treat them like regular members, of which I treat as politely as possible.

The only thing is- when talking badly about a member, you get a warning. When talking to someone with power, it's a whole new ball game. Now, I'm not saying give a staff member $200 and trip to Hawaii, but you should remember that when arguing with basically any member, you should treat them respectfully.

Even if Aho said that and he (God forbid) got banned, I still would agree with him, he has a good point.

I agree. You should -never- side with someone just because of their higher status. I mean heck, I disagree with the staff on a lot of things - some of their methods, some of the rules, and just some of their personal stances on stuff.

But you -should- show them more respect than the average member. Think of it this way - the staff are a lot like parents. Their job is to keep the site alive and the members safe and all that. Do you show your parents the same amount of respect as your school friends? No.

Again, I've been an admin on several different websites.. it's a stressful job, and I can attest to how good it feels to be appreciated and respected for what you do to help the members of the site.

My opinion on things like this are short and simple. Will this work? No, I wouldn't think so. Will it be because of incompetence on the part of the club or that you don't hold any water? No. It's because LEGO is a company. Companies' main goal is to make money, not please minorities. Think of it this way. LEGO took a big risk releasing BIONICLE in 2001. Was it good that they took this risk? I'd like to think so. As we all know, it was successful, and LEGO, seeing as there was market for constructable action figures, kept doing it over the years. To keep making money (Again, this being their main goal), the way they did it had to be capricious. The style of the BIONICLE sets varied year after year. At the beginning we had the Toa (Later to be known as Toa Mata), who were simple. No head articulation, knees, elbows, but using gears and introducing us to the contraction figures. Come 2003, and we have the Rahkshi, who at the time were incredibly innovative due to the inclusion of knee and head articulation. Flash-forward to 2005, when we start losing the gear functions in favor of more playability. We reach 2006, when we are introduced to a fairly newer style of making the canister sets, which continues to be used over the several next years. Come 2008 we see the introduction of both the Avtoran style of sets and the more complex, larger vehicles. Over the course of 2009 we see the style of the sets played around with, adapting them to the new setting, trying to make them more appealing.

Why did I bother with the history lesson? Make a point. LEGO tries to draw in buyers through the novelty of their products. It wasn't remotely the same toyline when comparing the Toa with the Glatorian Legends. It had to change and adapt. Could the toyline have survived as long as it did using the same toys they used come 2001? No. It needed to change like it did to maintain itself. Now, I've been looking at the set aspect, but keeping up with sets, the story grew too. In some cases it was the story that encouraged the purchase of the sets. And come 2009, LEGO starts to see that even when changing to the new setting of Bara Magna, the storyline is getting too complex to fans to step in any time they want. BZP members are all fine, and really, most of us have been fans since before 2004, and thus we have not too hard a time keeping up. Even then, you have to consider that there are less than 50,000 members in BZP. I think Greg mentioned that was less than 0.001% of the fanbase. LEGO still depended on the income of new buyers. But that wasn't happening. Think of it like this: if you were seven years old, would you bother to find out what had been going on with BIONICLE for the past 8 years? (Say you started having some interest in 2009) I don't know about you, but I don't think I would. I'd be a very confused and rather discouraged kid. And this was becoming a problem for LEGO. Whatever the case might be, no matter how much they changed the setting or how much they changed their toys, they had to admit, BIONICLE is old. And not exaggerating, considering most LEGO lines last 2, 3 years at the most. It had gotten to the point where there was no novelty anymore.

So what happens? LEGO decides to take a risk again. At its heart, ending the BIONICLE toyline was a financial decision. It was not meant to sadden you or stress you out, because it is just a toy, after all. So, LEGO takes out a new line: Hero Factory. And they generate hype for it: magazine covers, TV series, the works. Why? Because they can. If there was doubt about constructable action figures being profitable at the beginning of this decade, there wasn't anymore. So, they use whatever resources they have to make this new line more profitable. You see the "Made by the creators of BIONICLE" on the HF canisters and boxes? Those are true. They are the same type of toy BIONICLE would have developed into sooner or later. The difference is: Hero Factory is new, thus you can generate excitement. BIONICLE is old, there is not much to do anymore. And thing is, it works, LEGO is making money. And even now, LEGO is being more innovative with HF. The 2011 sets are a breaking point. They have been the first sets with 13 points of articulation that costs less than 10$ since 2006. The new style of building has created so much positive feedback that only the incredibly die-hard BIONICLE fanatics/HF haters are criticizing them seriously. And with this I'm tying up to my original point. Any company's main goal is to make money, not please minorities. Are they making money with their HF line? Oh yeah, and they'll keep making more in the direction they're heading. Will they do the same by bringing back BIONICLE at any point in the few following years? I doubt so. Bringing it back would undoubtedly mean it would use elements meant for HF, which would defeat the point. At this point, people that want BIONICLE back are few. And I mean, would I be happy if BIONICLE came back? Yes. No way in heck would I not be. BIONICLE was a very good part of my childhood, as I suspect it was for many people in this site, who probably think the same as me (To some extent). Does that mean I will rally clubs and keep asking for it back? No. I can appreciate what BIONICLE was and how long it lasted, look back and relish the fun I had. I can accept it is, for the time being, over. Does it have a chance to be back? It definitely has, but if it does I doubt it will be anytime soon. It's been 13 months since we knew it was going to end (7 since it actually did). It is not any sort of time for it to make a reappearance.

There are some things I can disagree with that you use as arguments. Example: Farshtey quote. Now, I don't know where the whole "people side with popular people" thing came from or why it relates to the club, but doesn't what you do with the quote qualify a bit for that? Greg is a smart man that I have to thank for having given us an enjoyable storyline from the very beginning. However, he is not god. His word is not particularly ever-true. He makes a good point in the quote, however an overstating of it has made it come to the point that not many people actually care anymore.

And I just realized I spent way too much time writing all that.