Alex Humva Posted May 19, 2012 Author Posted May 19, 2012 OOCHooray. We now have this as a six nation project, five of which are supplying 75 IP, 50 for Koth, so a grand total of 425 IP being funneled to this project for the foreseeable future, gaining purified yellowcake with each trip and all that fun lunar science stuff. Hoozah.Now, time for Standast's first space weapon!Speaking of which, important announcement time!IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT Alright, here's the deal. We're getting to the point in research, IP builds, and other such nonsense that I'm going have to put down the foot on space projects. Until now, everything in space has been a national project. Most space stuff will continue to be national projects. However, some stuff will now be treated like units; they take a province to build, rather than being national. In game, this will be justified as a military budget rearranging. What does this mean? Well, most stuff will still be dealt with on a case to case basis, but you can use these three handy tips to get an idea as to whether or not you have a national project or a unit build.~Single, lone satellites are almost always unit builds.~Large, very expensive projects are almost always national projects.~Networks, like that of a GPS or comm network, are almost always national projects.So yeah. To give an example, Luminous is a huge multinational project, thus, national project. Lloyd's Valkyrie satellites will now be treated as a unit build, on the other hand.And no one try to get smart and build a network of Valkyries and try to bypass it via the network clause. It ain't going work, and why this will be dealt with on a case to case basis still. In other words, not much changes, just always make sure to run your stuff past me and Koth. On that note, you can still send me your space unit stuff; I'm more the space guy than Koth.Now, back to Standast.IC [standast]Advances in Stan rocketry were coming steadily, building off of Luminous and the Antilian rocketry research, and one such fruit of the labor was a militarized application of space. It was called the Divine Shield; loaded with independent radar and tracking systems, it carried some hundred and fifty missiles designed to intercept and destroy an approaching ICBM. The missiles themselves seemed similar to cruise missiles, loaded with a few hundred pounds of high explosive to make sure that there was no chance of the missile surviving. It could coordinate with ground radar and detection centers, and would be able to protect much of the NEA, though mainly Standast. A coordinated network of seven could protect the entire world. While funding was short during war time, when the war was over, the Stans intended to place these satellites into defensive positions, to prevent future ICBM attacks.OOCVehicle Class: Divine ShieldVehicle Description: A rather bulky satellite, it consists of one hundred and fifty anti-ICBM rockets, carrying four hundred pounds of high explosive each. The rocket system that delivers it carries it in a compacted state, at which point once it arrives in orbit it unfolds itself, using solar panel and batteries to operate it's radar tracking systems, though it can use infrared detection, assuming the conditions are correct.Weaponry: 150 Anti-ICBM rockets, 400 pounds of high explosive in each.Build cost/Build time/Upkeep: 70 IP, 20 days, 14 IP Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong
Silvan Haven Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 6-1988 RYIC: The hallway was disassembled and sent up to the surface, giving them their first major chunk of the stuff yet. The earlier attempt at finding the things through sonar might not have given them much of a picture of what was down there but it did tell them where it was not. They started digging right into the place where the static had been the thickest.Pictures were taken of the crystal formations, both as a record and as something to show the folks back home. All the while, they continued to follow the veins in the quartz crystals. And, as they had no desire to get lost and somebody was going to do it sooner or latter, they made a very thorough map of all the caves they went through and a short distance into some of the once that branched off.4-1988 RYThe new Fearthinn artillery had arrived and went to work at once. Using hard punching shells whenever dealing with caves or bunkers, and switching to the scattershot type whenever met by opponents on slightly more open ground. Quote "I serve the weak. I serve the helpless. I am their sword and their shield. If you want to strike at them, you must go through me, and I am not so easily moved."
Alex Humva Posted May 19, 2012 Author Posted May 19, 2012 (edited) IC [Central Europa]The Fillons might of gotten confused, then, as despite being like veins they hardly exact copies of human veins. Most of the liquid was self-contained, embedded in the crystals, though they did occasionally find crystals that connected into microscopic tunnels in the wall. It'd be long and hard work, but they might find a source eventually.OOCReply to this please?All this activity, however, was drawing Stan attention. The Stan government sent a brief message to the Fillons, requesting to know what they were doing so close to Standast, and in international waters. Edited May 19, 2012 by Programmer Alex Humva Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong
Lara White Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 OOC: So I was looking back to see if I can find Power's IP report from last week, since he edited it in later. I found this:Constructions45 Laanstreiker tanks: -9 IP6 Sturmackker: -6 IP1 Saastuusk-1 (Damaged): -25 IP1 Saastuusk-1: -120 IP (Complete May 21)50 Sturmstreikkers: -5 IP6 Skaaskurch: -6 IP32 White Horse ICBMs: -26 IP (8 Complete May 17)First off, you posted some of your tanks on Temple. They were destroyed when I captured it, and you haven't built any since. So why are there still 45?Second, I put four cruise missiles into your second Saatuusk, and none of them were shot down on the incoming. So why does it only take a week to fix the burning hulk? It should take a lot longer than that, if it's even repairable at all.Third, thirty-two ICBMs by the 17th? Did you somehow forget that there's a massive campaign been going on since the 14th to destroy every single ICBM- and bioweapon-capable factory in your nation? Quote
Alex Humva Posted May 19, 2012 Author Posted May 19, 2012 OOC(Lloyd has both GM stamps of approval on the ICBM thing. I think that four cruise missiles into a ship is nasty for it, and the tanks... they're probably gone, but I'll let you two figure it out.) Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 (edited) OOC: Why, exactly, is it possible for him to build 32 ICBMs that quickly when, as Lloyd said, factories capable of producing them are being specifically targeted by the invaders?IC: Varangian military commanders requested assistance from the NEA in the task of deflecting a missile attack if the Waalrusaan military manages to put more missiles in the air. Edited May 19, 2012 by Beardy Spoon Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom
Alex Humva Posted May 19, 2012 Author Posted May 19, 2012 (edited) OOCBecause I'm lazy and generalize.To clarify; thanks to several months of bombardment and bombing, ICBM production is rather limited in Arctungaad. No way he has 32 already; maybe, maybe, somehow, he slipped four of them through by now and is hiding them somewhere. Other than that, simply not enough facilities capable of producing them.At this point he has better luck smuggling a warhead off the coast and launching it from a ship. Edited May 19, 2012 by Programmer Alex Humva Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong
Kothra Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 (edited) IC(Kiserre/General): With the colonists and supplies gathered, the most recent settlement mission was sent out by boat to claim the L14 region for Kiserre. The Seventh and Eighth Legions, based in N14, would work their way up the coast to establish an overland supply line to both ease transportation of goods to L14 and to further secure Kiserre's dominance in the region.The new region was named Arusatsu. Edited May 19, 2012 by Kothra: Sweetroll Thief Quote
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 (edited) OOC: Colonization call rendered invalid. Places that are invalid for colonization, for any reason, should be marked on the map. Edited May 19, 2012 by Beardy Spoon Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom
Alex Humva Posted May 19, 2012 Author Posted May 19, 2012 OOC...P11? The place this entire war started over, due to a colonization attempt of it?Yeah. That sounds like a good plan. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong
Wyrd Bid Ful Araed Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 Not going to complain much about the explosives, as I'm sure some would be found. I do feel it's worth pointing out it's these guys' job to hover around watching stuffOOC: Yeah, but if you're going to hover round by people's bases in what is technically behind enemy lines, people are going to get suspicious.On avalanches; the coastal defences got pounded by bombardment but I didn't spot anything that was significantly inland, like the army. And since I saw no mention of the troops laying down something to prevent avalanches, I am forced to assume they aren't. yeah. I can't even find stuff in the topic...seriously? Last time this was brought up I actually linked to where I built them. How hard did you look exactly First off, you posted some of your tanks on Temple. They were destroyed when I captured it, and you haven't built any since. So why are there still 45?I don't remember putting any tanks on R13. You sure thats not an assumption on your part?Second, I put four cruise missiles into your second Saatuusk, and none of them were shot down on the incoming. So why does it only take a week to fix the burning hulk? It should take a lot longer than that, if it's even repairable at allPartly because I question how much damage even a cruise missile can do to something that is essentially just a pile of metal (it hadn't been finished yet, remember? Nothing explosive or flammable on board) and partly because if my build rates have been halved then logically so have my repair timesThird, thirty-two ICBMs by the 17th? Did you somehow forget that there's a massive campaign been going on since the 14th to destroy every single ICBM- and bioweapon-capable factory in your nation?Four missiles in four days. Halve the time by applying it to two provinces, then double the output by applying it to four. Thats eight every two days. Then Alex's war rates came in and it became eight a day. And did you forget that the one bombing attack you launched against the facilities got shot down after blundering into my air defences? You've only just started putting the pressure on properly, there's been no 'massive campaign'. If you're going to give me time to build I'm going to use it :PIC: It was chaos in Pontolis. The place had recently been declared a Super Province, its population was huge, and at current very angry. The army attempting to occupy the place found itself heavily outnumbered by enemies who knew the urban environment well. They simply couldn't control the sprawling city, the locals knew just how to sneak round cordon lines and attack where they were least expected. Troops fell to civilian armed with antique weaponry or hunting rifles, vehicles were taken out with molotov cocktails or homemade explosives. They had entered the city but without proper support they were being cut to pieces inside it.It got worse when the six Skaaskurch arrived. The coalition troops in Pontolis had no air support as yet, so the tiltrotors had free reign in the sky. They had limited weaponry, but an armour piercing gatling was an armour piercing gatling and made short work of any troops or vehicles attempting to gather to form a coherent defence. The coalition had overstretched itself, and couldn't hold the city it had takenOOC: Industry reportProvincesAivukus (V19)-Super Province-80 IP-100 BattalionsValenticaas (U19)-Super Province-80 IP-100 BattalionsPontolis (W19)-Super Province-80 IP-75 BattalionsGomphotaa (V20)-Capital State (Upgrade May 24)-60 IP-50 BattalionsOriensarctuu (W20)-Capital State (Upgrade May 24)-60 IP-50 BattalionsSeeshgaad (U20)-Capital State (Upgrade May 24)-60 IP-50 BattalionsTotal IP: 420Constructions45 Laanstreiker tanks: -9 IP6 Sturmackker: -6 IP1 Saastuusk-1 (Damaged): -25 IP 1 Saastuusk-1: -120 IP (Complete May 21)50 Sturmstreikkers: -5 IP6 Skaaskurch: -6 IP56 White Horse ICBMs: -39 IP (8 Complete May 20)Total Deductions: 210Free IP: 210OtherMilitary Outpost T24The tanks are going to be in and around Aivukus to protect the capital, the Skaaskurch are now in Pontolis, the Sturmackker planes are probably grounded since you damaged my airfields, Sturmstreikkers are on their way to Pontolis as well. I've taken 25 battalions off Pontolis for the beachhead attack Quote
Xomeron Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 (edited) IC:The Astarians responded to the Varangian claim by once again acknowledging the place as Aquilonian territory, and followed by moving an additional ten battalions(the Astarian Sixth Defense Army) into their claim just north of what they saw as a rapidly destabilizing region.OOC: The Astarians use Army the way most countries use Brigade. From Brigade, it's Battlegroup, Front, and Theatre. This leads to Astaria having an abundance of Brigadier General level officers, called Army Commanders. Edited May 19, 2012 by cardworkMagician Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely."
Alex Humva Posted May 19, 2012 Author Posted May 19, 2012 OOCSpec ops~They don't just stand around and loiter like teenagers in front of a Walmart. Ever seen those Navy SEALS pictures? They're a bush, a pile of snow, something you don't see.Avalanches~I wasn't aware we were that far inland yet. If so, my apologies, and excuse me while I smack Lloyd.Coastal defense: I was talking about the IP cost. This is the post, correct?IC: By now the Waalusaan had bolstered their coastal defences significantly. Long guns with anti-ship weaponry dotted the cliffs and bluffs, while emplacements with machine guns and donnermakkers guarded the beaches. Anti-air weapons crowned each. If anyone tried taking any of the islands in the Arctungaad archipelago they'd be forced to shed a lot of blood.OOC: I have 55 free IP, if I put it into sending satellites into space how long would it take?It gives me an idea of what to think of, but no where in there does it say how much you spent. And at this point you put me in a very hard situation, as I'm getting IP data after the fact, so you can pull whatever number you happen to have from that time. Something I don't particularly appreciate, because it's bending the mechanics to the point of absurdity, if we can recton in IP numbers.Bombing runs~That 'bombing run' was a decoy, ran by my Hunter drones. From what I understand, your nation has been getting pelted by cargo planes filled with bombs and Lloyd's air force. I may be wrong though, and if so, I'll need to smack Lloyd again.Also, did you not see the announcement? You can't halve via provinces right now. That's been disabled during war time because Koth doesn't have good feelings about it. It has not been reactivated.As for the city post... I'm still trying to make sense of it, but I think these things need to be addressed;~While I get some civilians are going take up arms, what are we talking here? Complete civilian fighting, like Japan? Or just the brave and the bold who got their hunting rifles?~Why are you assuming we don't have proper support? I've made it very clear that I'm taking efforts to keep supply lines open. The bulk of fighting vehicles would be coming along with the main force.~Yeah, main thing is you assuming we don't have proper support.I wasn't even aware we were that far inland to begin with, so yeah. Some serious talking to Lloyd is in order. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 (edited) OOC...P11? The place this entire war started over, due to a colonization attempt of it?Yeah. That sounds like a good plan.OOC: Well I didn't see it claimed on the map. Recalling the colonization call, and pretending, IC, that it never happened, because if the map had told me what I needed to know, I wouldn't have tried that.Varangian colonization of the mainland is, from this point on, impossible. Edited May 19, 2012 by Beardy Spoon Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom
Kothra Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 Spec ops~They don't just stand around and loiter like teenagers in front of a Walmart. Ever seen those Navy SEALS pictures? They're a bush, a pile of snow, something you don't see.But you can't hide yourself when you're going into an enemy camp and tinkering with their equipment. Someone's bound to see them.Also, the whole civilian fighting would likely occur in America as well, and from everything I've seen you post, in Standast too. Quote
Xomeron Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 (edited) OOC: Looks like disagreements between Aquilonian and Stan High Command.Also, Power ICed one of your teams getting spotted and shot st and you were fine with it, remember?As for civilian fighting, I ICed creating my Home Defense Guard, but that was more to explain why everyone has an Assault Rifle than anything else. Edited May 19, 2012 by cardworkMagician Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely."
Alex Humva Posted May 19, 2012 Author Posted May 19, 2012 OOC@KothThere's a military base all along the beach? That's a new trick. I was thinking, yaknow, pill boxes and missiles sites scattered on the beach, not one big camp or something. That may be the case, though. Be very, very, expensive though. Even Xom's massive beach defenses aren't one big base or installation. But, again, I do accept that they will occasionally be seen, because there's going be high acitivity, and some of the defenses will be within bases or installations, though I'd imagine they'd steer clear of those.As for civvie fighting, I'm not saying no civvies are going fight, that's stupid. I want to know how many. For all I know every man woman and child is fighting; I don't have a problem with that, they're religious fanatics. I just want to know what we're dealing with.@XomYeah, I accepted my peeps being caught and shot at. I'm not saying they're invisible, I'm saying that they're still rather good at what they do. I don't see what the conflict is over; me and Power seem to be in agreement over how much was destroyed. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 OOC: The post announcing the construction of the coastal defenses happened to leave out how much IP was going into them.Here is the post. He says 55 IP to his satellites, but no IP cost is mentioned for the coastal defenses.IC: With the way cleared by the bombing and moving of troops into Arctungaad, the two zeppelins were free to fly towards Pontolis, where they opened fire on the Skaaskurch, using high-powered anti-materiel cannons against the six tiltrotors, high velocity and the size of the projectiles combining to make them brutally effective weapons against the much-smaller tiltrotors.OOC: To clarify - the WYK-5 in front deals more damage, but if the Skaaskurch get into the rear firing arc (which, with the guns being turret-mounted, covers some of the side as well), they'll be dealing with a trio of WYK-20s.In addition, while airships like the Hindenberg had cotton skins, the Lynkrage zeppelins are steel-skinned, making them considerably more durable. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom
Xomeron Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 OOC: Lemme guess-Helium as a lift gas? Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely."
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 OOC: It was not specified whether Hydrogen or Helium was used. Helium, being more inert while still adequate for lift, seems the natural choice. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom
Alex Humva Posted May 19, 2012 Author Posted May 19, 2012 (edited) OOCSo regarding the ICBMs, I found this. Since no one else devoted their bombers, Lloyd does face a problem; cargo planes may be a free way to carpet bomb an enemy, but ground SAM sites will eat them for breakfast, even a cheap defense grid, and he has precious few IP costing bombers. Even assuming cruise missiles strikes... it's like he only took out one or two provinces worth of ICBM building capacity, leaving another four provinces capable of producing the ICBMs. Seeing as his bioweapon was thoroughly debunked though, he might want to find another plague to load onto it. Edited May 19, 2012 by Programmer Alex Humva Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong
Xomeron Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 OOC: I didn't think you were crazy enough to use Hydrogen. Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely."
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 OOC: He might not even go with bioweapons this time - might just load them with explosives, which is a bit more reliable. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom
Alex Humva Posted May 19, 2012 Author Posted May 19, 2012 OOCExcept that conventional explosives are horribly not cost effective on an ICBM, and Lloyd's still the only one with MOABs.I'm thinking plague or chemical attack. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 OOC: Well, did he have to put IP into research on the biological agent for the last attempted plague? Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom
Xomeron Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 OOC: Rover, how thick is the armor on your Zeppelins, and what's their surface area/volume? Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely."
Alex Humva Posted May 19, 2012 Author Posted May 19, 2012 OOCGerm warfare in general, yes, though no doubt that was part of making enough of the little buggers to actually load into an ICBM.Methinks his only avaliable option this point is chemical warfare, which isn't that hard, all things considered. I don't think VX is too hard to manufacture, or chlorine or mustard gas. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 OOC: I don't know, precisely. How long is a Merinka, and how high does it float in the water? Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom
Kothra Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 OOC: I meant small outposts, but if anything that makes it MORE likely for them to be noticed. Quote
Alex Humva Posted May 19, 2012 Author Posted May 19, 2012 OOCSmall outposts I can definitely get; a missile site, a tent, and a chainlink fence. That, that I can definitely understand, and yeah, even a chainlink fence would make infiltration harder. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong
Xomeron Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 OOC: Well the thing is I'm pretty sure any substantial amount of armor on a Zeppelin will be too heavy to fly with Helium. Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely."
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 OOC: It's possible to make a lead balloon that can fly, so a steel-skinned zeppelin is far from impossible. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom
Xomeron Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 OOC: Square-cube law. Increasing the surface area by a factor of 400 increases the mass by a factor of 8000. Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely."
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 OOC: All I'll say regarding the size of these zeppelins is that they are significantly smaller than the Hindenberg, and, again, if a large lead balloon can fly, a steel-skinned zeppelin is far from impossible. Considering, also, that most of the volume will be taken up by a gas that is significantly lighter than air, your objections to the zeppelins are a tad flimsy. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom
Xomeron Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 OOC: Hindenburg was 800 feet long. By comparison, how long are these things? Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely."
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 OOC: I don't know exactly. I would say probably less than half the length of the Hindenberg, but really, while I know you like to feel like the smartest person in the room, all of these issues were considered when I made the zeppelins, and again when they were approved, and a third time when the IP cost for them was determined. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom
Xomeron Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 OOC: This thing is still physically impossible. Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely."
Alex Humva Posted May 19, 2012 Author Posted May 19, 2012 (edited) OOCKeep in mind Xom, it has tilt-rotors. The helium isn't it's only lift source. Edited May 19, 2012 by Programmer Alex Humva Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 (edited) OOC: Xom, again, you're presuming to know more than you actually do. You've got a steel skin that's no more than an inch or so thick, some lightweight cross-bracing, and then you've just got helium taking up pretty much the rest of the volume of the zeppelin itself. Add on a couple of guns and some ammo (which weigh considerably less than the bombs that German zeppelins quite successfully carried during the second world war), throw in just enough space for a few troops and the zeppelin crew, and there it is.EDIT: And yes, there's also the rotors that provide directional movement and additional lift. Edited May 19, 2012 by Beardy Spoon Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom
Xomeron Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 OOC: A 350 foot zeppelin has about 85,000 kilograms of lift. With a thin steel shell, yeah, that works. I was thinking you had 5 inches or so. Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely."
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