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#1 Offline Mr_Simon

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Posted May 26 2014 - 05:00 AM

First off, hello everyone! Glad to finally be a member of BZ power.

 

I was wondering if someone could tell me what were the original storyline ideas for Bionicle after the Mask of Light arc, because I've heard that what was originally planned was radically different from what we got (Metru Nui). FOr example, it says on TVTropes (Not sure if its reliable) that originally Makuta was supposed to be ticked off about his defeat and try to destroy the whole world. Can someone please elaborate on this (if its true of course)?


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Posted May 26 2014 - 05:07 AM

I'm don't recalled that part, other than Ahkmou was going to be a Toa of Shadows.


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Posted May 26 2014 - 05:15 AM

AFAIK most of the storyline was planned from the start. The only change/development that presently comes to mind is that the Metru Nui flashback was only meant to be one year; the Hordika/Visorak episode was a late addition.

 

I wouldn't rely on TVTropes for concrete information about every last thing, as they don't have anything like the rules that Wikipedia does to prevent misinformation appearing.


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Posted May 26 2014 - 07:52 AM

You might be interested in reading up on the "Three-Finger Island".

 

The Faber Files also have a bunch of other bits of concept art, some of which is a little different from the final product.


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Posted May 26 2014 - 09:16 AM

I've just remembered this topic, in which other possibilities for the story were discussed in some detail. Don't post in it as it's almost two years old.


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Posted May 26 2014 - 09:49 AM

I've just remembered this topic, in which other possibilities for the story were discussed in some detail. Don't post in it as it's almost two years old.

 

That was an interesting read. Thanks for the link.


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Posted May 26 2014 - 10:41 AM

a. With regards to the OP's actual question: I've read that info, too, but only on TVTropes... I'm not sure where it originally came from. I suppose someone could ask Greg in the currently-running LMB topic.

 

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I've just remembered this topic, in which other possibilities for the story were discussed in some detail. Don't post in it as it's almost two years old.

 

Yes, the Toa Inika were planned to go to Karda Nui, IIRC. However, I think I also remember that the Toa Nuva were intended to start in a three-year trilogy immediately thereafter. Kinda glad that didn't happen, since it would have dragged on and on... the pacing of 2008, I think, was a lot better than a three-year slog to reawaken the Great Spirit would have been.

 

Keep in mind, OP, the linked topic doesn't actually include any official plans or information, so I don't think it's what you were looking for.

 

c. No discussion of the original story plans can be complete without BIONICLE #5. 2010 was going to feature the Valley of the Maze, and 2011 would have been set on Bota Magna. Obviously, that didn't happen, and I don't think I need to explain why. :P


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Posted May 26 2014 - 12:50 PM

This isn't exactly an answer to your question, Mr_Simon, but something that I would like to know is: Was BIONICLE always headed for the Bara Magna saga? Mainly because it seems more like an offshoot of the main story to me, and if they had wanted it to be a good saga which rounded off the whole storyline, I think that they should have spent more time there. Just a thought.


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Posted May 26 2014 - 01:23 PM

This isn't exactly an answer to your question, Mr_Simon, but something that I would like to know is: Was BIONICLE always headed for the Bara Magna saga? Mainly because it seems more like an offshoot of the main story to me, and if they had wanted it to be a good saga which rounded off the whole storyline, I think that they should have spent more time there. Just a thought.

While the particulars of Spherus Magna were almost certainly thought up along the way (2007, according to the topic Sir Kohran linked to,) Mata Nui was always intended to be a giant robot, and the second Bionicle comic issue suggests that the idea of him traveling to Aqua Magna (as it eventually became known) from space was part in parcel with the concept of his identity: "In the time before time when the world was new, the Great Spirit Mata Nui descended from the skies like a burning star."


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Posted May 26 2014 - 01:25 PM

What's this "Bionicle" madness you all speak of? Boneheads of Voodoo Island is where it's at, man.

 

But yeah other than that, I'm not sure. I don't think I've heard much about that (other than the whole Ahkmou bit, of course).


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Posted May 26 2014 - 07:41 PM

You might be interested in reading up on the "Three-Finger Island".

 

The Faber Files also have a bunch of other bits of concept art, some of which is a little different from the final product.

Yep yep, I think it was on Faber's blog that there was concept art of these giant scary elemental-themed monsters that the Mata would've had to face on Mata Nui back when everything was even more jungle-tribe themed and mystical, which I was always fascinated by.


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Posted May 27 2014 - 01:54 PM

My memory's a little hazy on this- but if I recall correctly there was supposed to be a book in 2007, later scrapped, and was supposed to be Legends #7; though what I don't remember is if all the storyline from it made it into other media, or just some.


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Posted May 27 2014 - 02:27 PM

My memory's a little hazy on this- but if I recall correctly there was supposed to be a book in 2007, later scrapped, and was supposed to be Legends #7; though what I don't remember is if all the storyline from it made it into other media, or just some.

That would be Invasion, which was supposed to chronicle the Toa Inika's voyage through the cord. The Updated Bionicle Encyclopedia makes mention of details planned for the book (such as Teridax's possession of Matoro and Vezon's encounter with the Inika and subsequent capture by Zyglak) and "Federation of Fear" makes reference to Vezon's captivity.


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Posted Jun 05 2014 - 08:37 PM

I remember reading that the canceled 2001 video game, The Legend of Mata Nui was going to be the main story media for 2001 (with mnolg following Takua's first hand perspective). If it hadn't gotten canceled, we could have had a totally different storyline. Or a storyline with just a few differences.
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Posted Jun 15 2014 - 01:39 PM

One of the unused concepts I know right off hand was that the reason Onua was going to be older than the rest of his team. 


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Posted Jun 15 2014 - 01:43 PM

One of the unused concepts I know right off hand was that the reason Onua was going to be older than the rest of his team. 

 

Yeah, he was supposed to be the oldest because he's so wise.

 

And Lewa was going to be the youngest because he's a moron. Seriously. That was one of the original ideas.


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Posted Jun 15 2014 - 01:48 PM

 

One of the unused concepts I know right off hand was that the reason Onua was going to be older than the rest of his team. 

 

Yeah, he was supposed to be the oldest because he's so wise.

 

And Lewa was going to be the youngest because he's a moron. Seriously. That was one of the original ideas.

 

Also, the Toa having the names of Flame, Hook, Claw, Kick, Axe, and Sword are wroth mentioning as a concept that was thankfully scrapped.


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Posted Jun 15 2014 - 03:25 PM

 

One of the unused concepts I know right off hand was that the reason Onua was going to be older than the rest of his team. 

 

Yeah, he was supposed to be the oldest because he's so wise.

 

And Lewa was going to be the youngest because he's a moron. Seriously. That was one of the original ideas.

 

It was Tahu that was identified as the oldest in some of the early literature.

 

As BIONICLE was still being developed and defined in its early years, there are a lot of unused concepts and ideas that got left behind. One that has already been mentioned were the elemental beasts based on the six elements that the Toa would have to face. Another big one is the original seventh tribe of Makuta-following villagers, with the Comet ball trader in MNOLG originally intended as one of them infiltrating the village.

 

The Shadow Toa are worth mentioning too. The ended up making their appearance in Tale of the Toa, but their original purpose and application is not precisely clear, and likely won't be unless the cancelled PC game comes to light.


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Posted Jul 01 2014 - 07:38 AM

The only thing that I can say to respond to this is the fact that in MNOG there is the statement made by, I believe, several Matoran speaking of "ancient" carvers who made certain statues and such throughout Mata Nui. This is a laughable plot hole seeing as there was no original inhabitants before the Matoran, they being originated from Metru Nui. That could incite some sort of plan to do something else with the story, or that the makers of the game had not gotten in on what LEGO was going to do with Bionicle after the Mata Nui portion of the story. 


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Posted Jul 01 2014 - 08:46 AM

The only thing that I can say to respond to this is the fact that in MNOG there is the statement made by, I believe, several Matoran speaking of "ancient" carvers who made certain statues and such throughout Mata Nui. This is a laughable plot hole seeing as there was no original inhabitants before the Matoran, they being originated from Metru Nui. That could incite some sort of plan to do something else with the story, or that the makers of the game had not gotten in on what LEGO was going to do with Bionicle after the Mata Nui portion of the story. 

Perhaps they were referring to the Toa Metru.  We know that they left carvings and warnings in between 2004 and 2005.


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Posted Jul 01 2014 - 09:08 AM

I cannot pull the source, but for 2008 they considered going back to the island of Mata Nui and the Toa Nuva would fight the Karda Nui Makuta there
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Posted Jul 01 2014 - 12:41 PM

The shadow toa Ahkmou thing is something that pops up in my head. Greg also wanted Matau to be the one to betray the Hordika instead of Vakama, but Lego fought him on it saying the Vakama had to go through it to have a complete "Hero's Journey"


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Posted Jul 01 2014 - 03:17 PM

The only thing that I can say to respond to this is the fact that in MNOG there is the statement made by, I believe, several Matoran speaking of "ancient" carvers who made certain statues and such throughout Mata Nui. This is a laughable plot hole seeing as there was no original inhabitants before the Matoran, they being originated from Metru Nui. That could incite some sort of plan to do something else with the story, or that the makers of the game had not gotten in on what LEGO was going to do with Bionicle after the Mata Nui portion of the story. 

 

It would help if you could specify the words of these statements and/or who they are spoken by. I know the game pretty well and I can't think of anything like them.

 

And the makers did know or at least have some idea about Bionicle stuff beyond the Mata Nui arc. Among the telescope imagery both the face of the giant robot and the Ignika design can be found, the first of which is also hinted at with the 'impenetrable rock layer' in Onu-Koro.


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Posted Jul 01 2014 - 04:29 PM

 

The only thing that I can say to respond to this is the fact that in MNOG there is the statement made by, I believe, several Matoran speaking of "ancient" carvers who made certain statues and such throughout Mata Nui. This is a laughable plot hole seeing as there was no original inhabitants before the Matoran, they being originated from Metru Nui. That could incite some sort of plan to do something else with the story, or that the makers of the game had not gotten in on what LEGO was going to do with Bionicle after the Mata Nui portion of the story. 

 

It would help if you could specify the words of these statements and/or who they are spoken by. I know the game pretty well and I can't think of anything like them.

 

And the makers did know or at least have some idea about Bionicle stuff beyond the Mata Nui arc. Among the telescope imagery both the face of the giant robot and the Ignika design can be found, the first of which is also hinted at with the 'impenetrable rock layer' in Onu-Koro.

 

Don't quote me on this, I was literally just editing some files in MNOG, but I believe the tradesman at the edge of po-wahi says it when you ask him about the quarry.


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Posted Jul 01 2014 - 05:37 PM

 

 

The only thing that I can say to respond to this is the fact that in MNOG there is the statement made by, I believe, several Matoran speaking of "ancient" carvers who made certain statues and such throughout Mata Nui. This is a laughable plot hole seeing as there was no original inhabitants before the Matoran, they being originated from Metru Nui. That could incite some sort of plan to do something else with the story, or that the makers of the game had not gotten in on what LEGO was going to do with Bionicle after the Mata Nui portion of the story. 

 

It would help if you could specify the words of these statements and/or who they are spoken by. I know the game pretty well and I can't think of anything like them.

 

And the makers did know or at least have some idea about Bionicle stuff beyond the Mata Nui arc. Among the telescope imagery both the face of the giant robot and the Ignika design can be found, the first of which is also hinted at with the 'impenetrable rock layer' in Onu-Koro.

 

Don't quote me on this, I was literally just editing some files in MNOG, but I believe the tradesman at the edge of po-wahi says it when you ask him about the quarry.

 

 

He does indeed mention "the Path of Prophecies, which the ancient carvers made." I'm fairly sure that's the head statues in front of Po-Koro's entrance. In the first Bohrok episode they're credited as Hafu's work.


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Posted Jul 01 2014 - 05:46 PM

 

 

 

The only thing that I can say to respond to this is the fact that in MNOG there is the statement made by, I believe, several Matoran speaking of "ancient" carvers who made certain statues and such throughout Mata Nui. This is a laughable plot hole seeing as there was no original inhabitants before the Matoran, they being originated from Metru Nui. That could incite some sort of plan to do something else with the story, or that the makers of the game had not gotten in on what LEGO was going to do with Bionicle after the Mata Nui portion of the story. 

 

It would help if you could specify the words of these statements and/or who they are spoken by. I know the game pretty well and I can't think of anything like them.

 

And the makers did know or at least have some idea about Bionicle stuff beyond the Mata Nui arc. Among the telescope imagery both the face of the giant robot and the Ignika design can be found, the first of which is also hinted at with the 'impenetrable rock layer' in Onu-Koro.

 

Don't quote me on this, I was literally just editing some files in MNOG, but I believe the tradesman at the edge of po-wahi says it when you ask him about the quarry.

 

 

He does indeed mention "the Path of Prophecies, which the ancient carvers made." I'm fairly sure that's the head statues in front of Po-Koro's entrance. In the first Bohrok episode they're credited as Hafu's work.

 

BS01 confirms this.  

 

 

The Path of Prophecies was a road flanked by carvings, leading to the village of Po-Koro on the island of Mata Nui.

The Path of Prophecies was created by the Po-Matoran Carver Hafu soon after the Matoran established the village of Po-Koro. 

They were carved very early on, so they would be considered ancient.


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Posted Jul 02 2014 - 04:58 AM

 

 

 

 

The only thing that I can say to respond to this is the fact that in MNOG there is the statement made by, I believe, several Matoran speaking of "ancient" carvers who made certain statues and such throughout Mata Nui. This is a laughable plot hole seeing as there was no original inhabitants before the Matoran, they being originated from Metru Nui. That could incite some sort of plan to do something else with the story, or that the makers of the game had not gotten in on what LEGO was going to do with Bionicle after the Mata Nui portion of the story. 

 

It would help if you could specify the words of these statements and/or who they are spoken by. I know the game pretty well and I can't think of anything like them.

 

And the makers did know or at least have some idea about Bionicle stuff beyond the Mata Nui arc. Among the telescope imagery both the face of the giant robot and the Ignika design can be found, the first of which is also hinted at with the 'impenetrable rock layer' in Onu-Koro.

 

Don't quote me on this, I was literally just editing some files in MNOG, but I believe the tradesman at the edge of po-wahi says it when you ask him about the quarry.

 

 

He does indeed mention "the Path of Prophecies, which the ancient carvers made." I'm fairly sure that's the head statues in front of Po-Koro's entrance. In the first Bohrok episode they're credited as Hafu's work.

 

BS01 confirms this.  

 

 

The Path of Prophecies was a road flanked by carvings, leading to the village of Po-Koro on the island of Mata Nui.

The Path of Prophecies was created by the Po-Matoran Carver Hafu soon after the Matoran established the village of Po-Koro. 

They were carved very early on, so they would be considered ancient.

 

 

Problem is, "ancient" is being applied to the carvers themselves, not just their work. And Hafu is no more ancient than any other Matoran on the island at that point.

 

I would also point out that "carvers" indicates more than one, though I suppose this could just mean assistants or apprentices of Hafu.


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Posted Jul 02 2014 - 05:54 AM

"Ancient carvers" could apply to Hafu and helpers prior to the memory loss kicking in. It might be a way to say that they don't remember them being carved, so they think of their former selves as different people. Though I tend to think mere decorations were made later. :shrugs: Either way, the saying still works in a poetic sense. Hafu and any helpers are indeed ancient.

Oh, and please remember to avoid multi-nested quotes. :)

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Posted Jul 02 2014 - 06:15 AM

"Ancient carvers" could apply to Hafu and helpers prior to the memory loss kicking in. It might be a way to say that they don't remember them being carved, so they think of their former selves as different people.

 

But Hafu clearly describes the statues as "my own creations" and is dismayed at having to topple them. Would that be the case if he didn't remember them being built and thought of them as someone else's work?

 

Either way, the saying still works in a poetic sense. Hafu and any helpers are indeed ancient.

 

Things are regarded as 'ancient' when they are much older than most things in the present. The pyramids are ancient because they're thousands of years older than most other existing structures. This isn't the case with Matoran, because they're all the same age (some may have come into existence before others back in Metru Nui, but that's way too far back to be relevant). Hafu is no more ancient than the trader making the reference.

 

I think this is simply an inconsistency.


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Posted Jul 02 2014 - 06:26 AM

But ancient makes sense for people whose memories go back a thousand years. If they were carved soon after the memory loss, it could be shorthand for "carved near the beginning of the time we remember" -- thus relative to things in recent memory. If before, then shorthand for "before we remember" or "the before time".

And yeah, Hafu's got the right personality to be dismayed at it whether he remembers it or not. :) He knows he made it, and he takes pride in his work. Even if he doesn't remember the experience of carving it, I definitely think he'd react that way. Don't you? I mean... he's Hafu. :P "Oh well who cares" doesn't seem to be in his vocabulary. If anything, you'd think that would only increase the "such a shame" feeling he'd have about it.

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Posted Jul 02 2014 - 03:13 PM

what was the post 2010 story going to be. I recall that there was going to be another 10 years of bioncle?


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Posted Jul 02 2014 - 03:43 PM

what was the post 2010 story going to be. I recall that there was going to be another 10 years of bioncle?

 

GregF said something once about "dinosaurs on Spherus Magna" something.


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Posted Jul 02 2014 - 03:45 PM

10 years ? wow, that's too much, even for Bionicle.

 

But on the subject of the topic, I remember there was going to be 3 more movies, and one of them had dinosaurs or something like that... We even got their scripts. I don't know where it is anymore, tho.


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