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#41 Offline The Captain

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Posted Oct 15 2011 - 10:09 AM

Also, as I have proved and tested over countless Random WiFi Battles, Rain Dance Tornadus and Shiny Event Raikou with Thunder and Weather Ball is an extremely potent combo.
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Posted Oct 15 2011 - 10:29 AM

Sleep Powder and Leech Seed are also pretty good if you're up against a tough opponent. On another note, I recognize a few of you from PokeCommunity Forums.
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Posted Oct 15 2011 - 12:18 PM

I bred a 31 Attack/31 Special Attack/31 Speed Deino and got a Hasty 31 Attack./31 Speed Zekrom while the forum was down, and I still cannot decide which EV spread I should give Deino so it can be a mixed attacker...

nature on deino? keep in mind that, what with pokesav and RNGs, perfect IVs aren't such a huge deal nowadays. and mixdreigon isn't the best in the world ever since it has such a fantastic special movepool, and mixmence out-classes it anyways.

It's Naive. And while it's true in general, I felt Hydreigon is better in disposing Jellicent, Reuniclus, and other "bulky", common pokemon who are weak to Crunch (STAB). Also because a certain Salamence I have literally has 0 IVs in Special Attack (Naive too). -__- It's a mixed Dragon Dancer though, so... And yes, I do know about competitive battling, so I don't need team advice or stuff like that... thanks for your advice tho. And I don't pokesav because I don't know how to use it, and I don't know how to RNG either and don't want to know.

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Posted Oct 15 2011 - 12:27 PM

I've been thinking of maybe trying out EV training, taking it out for a spin before I start work on my Random Matchup team. Any one suggest a good Pokemon to EV train for a beginner?
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Posted Oct 15 2011 - 02:09 PM

A physical/special/mixed sweeper would be the easiest, because you can get routes with every wild Poke giving the same EV for Attack, Speed, or Sp. Attack (Route 1, Celestial Tower, any waterway). ~B~
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Posted Oct 15 2011 - 03:35 PM

I bred a 31 Attack/31 Special Attack/31 Speed Deino and got a Hasty 31 Attack./31 Speed Zekrom while the forum was down, and I still cannot decide which EV spread I should give Deino so it can be a mixed attacker...

nature on deino? keep in mind that, what with pokesav and RNGs, perfect IVs aren't such a huge deal nowadays. and mixdreigon isn't the best in the world ever since it has such a fantastic special movepool, and mixmence out-classes it anyways.

It's Naive. And while it's true in general, I felt Hydreigon is better in disposing Jellicent, Reuniclus, and other "bulky", common pokemon who are weak to Crunch (STAB). Also because a certain Salamence I have literally has 0 IVs in Special Attack (Naive too). -__- It's a mixed Dragon Dancer though, so... And yes, I do know about competitive battling, so I don't need team advice or stuff like that... thanks for your advice tho. And I don't pokesav because I don't know how to use it, and I don't know how to RNG either and don't want to know.

fair enough, ttar is usually better to deal with both of those, but ok. i'd also like to point out that max sp.a dark pulse is a solid 2hko on 252/0 jellicent w/ life orb, but max attack crunch only ohkos 252/216 jellicent after rocks + 2 layers of spikes, but it will ohko 100% of the time. 156 attack EVs are enough to always KO jellicent after rocks + 2 layers of spikes, and it'll do 80.7% - 95.3% to 252/0 reuniclus. max speed with the rest dumped in sp.a is probably the best way to go, if your team is otherwise threatened by those two pokes. any ideas on what moves you want on it? crunch is a given, as is draco meteor, since you aren't running max sp.a. other ideas?

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Posted Oct 15 2011 - 04:54 PM

Blade? You around? You should already have my Friend code, so I'll just wait in the WiFi room. You don't need much, just something useless to trade for the Eevee. See you there. EDIT: at least, I assume you had your eye on the Eevee. If you want something different, let me know. =)

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Posted Oct 15 2011 - 05:00 PM

Ah! Sorry; could you give me a few minutes? I'm just about to eat, I'm sorry; as soon as I finish, I'll grab my 3DS and get on. D=
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Posted Oct 15 2011 - 05:11 PM

No problem. I should probably go have breakfast myself...
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Posted Oct 15 2011 - 05:17 PM

Alright; 3DS plugged in, logging onto Wi-Fi now. Again, sorry for the slight delay. I'm ready now, though. =) And the Eevee's fine, I missed the eeveent, so it allows me to get the special ability Eevees. =D
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Posted Oct 15 2011 - 05:26 PM

I bred a 31 Attack/31 Special Attack/31 Speed Deino and got a Hasty 31 Attack./31 Speed Zekrom while the forum was down, and I still cannot decide which EV spread I should give Deino so it can be a mixed attacker...

nature on deino? keep in mind that, what with pokesav and RNGs, perfect IVs aren't such a huge deal nowadays. and mixdreigon isn't the best in the world ever since it has such a fantastic special movepool, and mixmence out-classes it anyways.

It's Naive. And while it's true in general, I felt Hydreigon is better in disposing Jellicent, Reuniclus, and other "bulky", common pokemon who are weak to Crunch (STAB). Also because a certain Salamence I have literally has 0 IVs in Special Attack (Naive too). -__- It's a mixed Dragon Dancer though, so... And yes, I do know about competitive battling, so I don't need team advice or stuff like that... thanks for your advice tho. And I don't pokesav because I don't know how to use it, and I don't know how to RNG either and don't want to know.

156 attack EVs are enough to always KO jellicent after rocks + 2 layers of spikes, and it'll do 80.7% - 95.3% to 252/0 reuniclus. max speed with the rest dumped in sp.a is probably the best way to go, if your team is otherwise threatened by those two pokes. any ideas on what moves you want on it? crunch is a given, as is draco meteor, since you aren't running max sp.a. other ideas?

Draco Meteor, Fire Blast/Flamethrower, Outrage. I might throw in Surf or something, though it might lose coverage/power with that move. Earthquake can be considered, but it might just end up being a worse Salamence clone only redeeming itself with Crunch. Focus Blast is powerful but inaccurate. The three aforementioned moves can deal with Heatran though, who otherwise walls it. No Dark Pulse since I couldn't import an Arbok.

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Posted Oct 15 2011 - 05:47 PM

sounds workable, i wouldn't run surf since it has minimal investment. heatran -does- wall it but putting surf on it would be too weak. focus miss -should- be considered, even though it isnt very reliable. fighting/dark has great neutral coverage.
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Posted Oct 15 2011 - 05:51 PM

Any Distros lately?
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Posted Oct 15 2011 - 06:05 PM

Any Distros lately?

There was a Zoroark event recently, I believe.

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Posted Oct 16 2011 - 11:50 AM

I've been meaning to finish the Gen V pokédex, but I haven't payed much attention to porting over all my old 'mons from Pearl into White. So many other things that need to be done...*stares longingly at Pokémon cartridges* I believe I made a fully trained UU team sometime when the site was down...didn't really think too much about it, just started making pokémon that ranked amongst my favourites and six of them happened to be UU.
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Posted Oct 16 2011 - 01:14 PM

Any Distros lately?

Argh, I totally forgot about distros. >_< What was the Zoroark one? Anything special about it, or just a perfect IVed one?

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Posted Oct 16 2011 - 01:22 PM

anybody familiar with pokemon online? i've been spending a lot of time there, recently. weezing and umbreon form a great defensive core.
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Posted Oct 16 2011 - 01:22 PM

Maybe the one at Toys R Us.
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Posted Oct 16 2011 - 01:28 PM

Have any of you read Black Adventures comic. It's the best interpretation of Pokemon EVER!!! But not recommended for those under 14. Some themes are suggestive (heck, the whole premise of the comic is!).
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Posted Oct 16 2011 - 01:57 PM

Haxorus, come to think of it, I've heard about some of those Pokemon Manga comics. They're pretty hardcore compared to the games, since they're for more mature audiences than the average Pokemon player. From what I recall, my friend told me that in the comics, Pokemon regularly kill each other in the arena! :cry: To make matters worse, guns apparently exist in this Pokemon universe (if you recall, the only episode of the TV show to ever feature a gun was banned), and so Archie and Maxie shot and killed each other in a duel!That's serious stuff right there. I'm glad the games are nowhere near that violent. ~B~

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Posted Oct 16 2011 - 04:24 PM

Black Adventures is a fanmade webcomic, rather than a canon manga. The Pokemon being able to talk is an entertaining touch, but it sort of negates N being special if everyone can talk to their Pokemon. Also contains gratituous crossdressing.
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Posted Oct 17 2011 - 06:51 PM

Any Distros lately?

Argh, I totally forgot about distros. >_< What was the Zoroark one? Anything special about it, or just a perfect IVed one?

It was a hardy Zoroark with Snarl and Nasty Plot. IV's weren't good, either. But apparently Snarl is both useful and hard to get, so it's great for breeding.

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Posted Oct 17 2011 - 07:18 PM

Until the Lock Capsule event, at least. ~B~
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Posted Oct 17 2011 - 07:19 PM

If there's a Lock Capsule event. =P *Points at Arceus being lonely up in the Hall of Origin through two straight games* =P
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Posted Oct 17 2011 - 08:25 PM

Is a physical Zoroark completely pointless? I bred a decent one but discovered there really isn't any form of a decent moveset to give it. My special one blows it out of the water.
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Posted Oct 17 2011 - 08:50 PM

surprise value, that is literally it. but u-turn is always a great move to run. on a mono-dark team i had, my zoro was disguised as hydreigon. they're rather similar, offensively, and hydreigon scares a -lot- of pokemon out in monotype.
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Posted Oct 18 2011 - 07:50 PM

I'm tempted to try a Regenerator Slowbro and Regenerator Tangrowth on a Trick Room team together...
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Posted Oct 18 2011 - 07:56 PM

victini is great in trick room. real shame he doesn't get any sort of recovery.
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Posted Oct 18 2011 - 09:25 PM

It doesn't get reliable recovery. Rest does still exist, and could be worked onto a gimmicky set.~B~
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Posted Oct 18 2011 - 11:41 PM

ok what everything gets rest... come to think of it what happens when you rest on a pokemon with vital spirit or insomnia or whatnot yeah k turns out it just fails.

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Posted Oct 19 2011 - 01:35 PM

Looks like the same people who set up the Pokemon Black and White website has recently set up the Pokemon Gray website. The domain has been registered to Melbourne IT DBS.
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Posted Oct 19 2011 - 04:12 PM

Looks like the same people who set up the Pokemon Black and White website has recently set up the Pokemon Gray website. The domain has been registered to Melbourne IT DBS.

Can you elaborate exactly what that means? I thought Nintendo said they weren't making a third game this time around.

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Posted Oct 19 2011 - 04:18 PM

That turned out to be false; it was a mistranslation.
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Posted Oct 19 2011 - 04:20 PM

Gamefreak's statement was translated wrong. They didn't say they weren't going to make a third game.
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Posted Oct 19 2011 - 04:30 PM

Gamefreak's statement was translated wrong. They didn't say they weren't going to make a third game.

...how do you mistake a yes for a no?

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Posted Oct 19 2011 - 04:40 PM

Well, the statement was in Japanese, and sometimes translations between two languages can be messed up. And it wasn't stated simply as a "no". :P
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Posted Oct 19 2011 - 08:40 PM

>nintendo not making a third game oh you teases. anyhat, honchkrow or murkrow. decide.
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Posted Oct 19 2011 - 08:46 PM

Murkrow is more interesting.
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Posted Oct 19 2011 - 11:08 PM

Is anyone else grateful that the translators of BW didn't translate the move "Round" as "Troll", like so many people expected? I mean, that would just ruin the Internet forever...
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