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Sumiki

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Shouldn't at least part of the canon be left to speculation and the talents of writers and MOCists?

 

I mean, with all due respect to Greg, there comes a point where there are just too many elements. If we have not passed that point yet, we're dang close to doing it.

 

Don't get me wrong, I like different elements and the diversity that they bring to the story. But the proposed addition of adding yet another one - another one, mind you, that's not tangible. I remember Greg once saying that an element is something that you can fire in a straight line if you are a Toa of aforementioned element. That makes me wonder how Kinetics would work - moving the air molecules around at high speed? No, air can do that already. So what does it do?

 

Also, suppose a Toa of Kinetics, a Toa of Psionics, and four different Toa were on a team. We all know that six elements combine to make Protodermis, right? Right. So, in theory, a combination of fire, water, ice, stone, pure movement ( :???: ), and brain waves (essentially what Psionics controls) could create Protodermis, and I have doubts about Psionics and Kinetics having any effect. Hello! Protodermis isn't alive, and neither are its constituent parts, and so I doubt any telekinetic or telepathic powers will have any effect on its creation.

 

Along this line of reasoning, Gravity also qualifies as an intangible, but I can see it working to create Protodermis.

 

You know something that makes a bit more sense: crystal. It's tangible, unlike any other element, exists, and yet it has not even gone close to coming into the canon. I don't know why that is.

 

I suppose I'll just have to get used to it if Kinetics is canonized, but until that point, if it comes, I'll be dead-set against it.

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Crystal isn't an element 'cause Greg said he dosen't like it. I hope Kinetics isn't going to be canonized, because what kind of an element is that!?

Whatever happened to elements that actually could do something usefull? (Fire can burn, Water can drown, Stone and Earth are really strong, Ice can freeze, and Air can make tornados and wind. But Kinetics just makes something move. -_- )

I wonder what a Kinetics nova blast would do? Make everyone run around and dance? :P

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I wasn't happy when Psoincs was made. And if Kinetics is made, I'm going to rip my hair out, bang my head on the wall, cut my hands off, rip my eyes out...

 

You get the picture.

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I wasn't happy when Psoincs was made. And if Kinetics is made, I'm going to rip my hair out, bang my head on the wall, cut my hands off, rip my eyes out...

 

You get the picture.

How are you going to cut both hands off? Using your feet?

 

~B~

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I wasn't happy when Psoincs was made. And if Kinetics is made, I'm going to rip my hair out, bang my head on the wall, cut my hands off, rip my eyes out...

 

You get the picture.

How are you going to cut both hands off? Using your feet?

 

~B~

I'll use my Kinetic powers. ;)

 

:P

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As it turns out, 2 of the 6 elements required to make a protodermis can be substituted for a smart guy on a treadmill. :mellow:

Three if it's a smart guy on a treadmill ON FIRE.

 

And I totally agree with Sumi. I feel that fan expansions should be left as fanon. Some fan material being canon is okay, but lately we've had too much at once. =/

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Seeing as the story's about to become a few periodically updated web serials, I think the new canon isn't that important. It's just that while artists, authors, and MOCists can still flourish after the line has ended, S&T goers will be facing some difficulties. :sly:

 

In short, it can't bother me if I don't care.

 

:music:

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As it turns out, 2 of the 6 elements required to make a protodermis can be substituted for a smart guy on a treadmill. :mellow:

Three if it's a smart guy on a treadmill ON FIRE.

four if he's really dirty.

 

as for bringing Kinetics as an element, I for one don't like it. it's an ability that many characters have already, making it as an element... dunno.

 

a lot of characters have Telekinesis, Mind Reading, etc. as an extra ability along with your standard Fire, Water, Earth, and so on. giving a Toa or Matoran only the ability to use their mind powers without any other power just makes them seem... dunno, underpowered or something, at least in my book. y'all dig what I mean?

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As it turns out, 2 of the 6 elements required to make a protodermis can be substituted for a smart guy on a treadmill. :mellow:

Three if it's a smart guy on a treadmill ON FIRE.

four if he's really dirty.

Five if he's wet.

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As it turns out, 2 of the 6 elements required to make a protodermis can be substituted for a smart guy on a treadmill. :mellow:

Three if it's a smart guy on a treadmill ON FIRE.

I lol'd.

 

As it turns out, 2 of the 6 elements required to make a protodermis can be substituted for a smart guy on a treadmill. :mellow:

Three if it's a smart guy on a treadmill ON FIRE.

four if he's really dirty.

 

as for bringing Kinetics as an element, I for one don't like it. it's an ability that many characters have already, making it as an element... dunno.

 

a lot of characters have Telekinesis, Mind Reading, etc. as an extra ability along with your standard Fire, Water, Earth, and so on. giving a Toa or Matoran only the ability to use their mind powers without any other power just makes them seem... dunno, underpowered or something, at least in my book. y'all dig what I mean?

I concur! This is what I've thought all along.

 

Also, Crystal seems an awful lot like Earth. (which seems a lot like Stone, lol)

 

Honestly, what's the difference between Earth and Stone?

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Honestly, what's the difference between Earth and Stone?

Well, let me throw a handful of dirt and a handful of stones at you and you can judge for yourself.

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Honestly, what's the difference between Earth and Stone?

Well, let me throw a handful of dirt and a handful of stones at you and you can judge for yourself.

Well, but if you add some heat and pressure you get pretty much the same thing, right? (not really sure 'cause I'm not very educated in the realm of minerals)

 

Is it just that Earth is buried deeper while Stone is on the surface? =\

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Honestly, what's the difference between Earth and Stone?

Well, let me throw a handful of dirt and a handful of stones at you and you can judge for yourself.

Well, but if you add some heat and pressure you get pretty much the same thing, right? (not really sure 'cause I'm not very educated in the realm of minerals)

 

Is it just that Earth is buried deeper while Stone is on the surface? =\

Earth is soil, Stone is rocks.

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I never looked at it that way...

Although, I have to add that I missed quite a lot of the recent storyline.

 

Say, does anyone know what defines an "element" in the Bionicle universe? :???:

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Honestly, what's the difference between Earth and Stone?

Well, let me throw a handful of dirt and a handful of stones at you and you can judge for yourself.

Well, but if you add some heat and pressure you get pretty much the same thing, right? (not really sure 'cause I'm not very educated in the realm of minerals)

 

Is it just that Earth is buried deeper while Stone is on the surface? =\

Earth is soil, Stone is rocks.

Stone is rocks, sand, or any kind of mineral/crystal thingy. Earth is dirt, mud, soil, decomposed dead things, and the planet we live on.

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Kinetics would be pretty useless, wouldn't it? It's basically just a subdivision of psionics -- being able to control movement with mental force. That's included as psionic power on BS01, so kinetics is really useless in my eyes.

 

-Kagha

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