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That was always my biggest issue with them. There came a point where there were so many alternative projects being created that were distractions from the main goal (like D&D-style RPGs, sprite comic series, etc.) that I majorly fell out of favor with the project. There was a D&D style RPG?

Except if the discussion ends up simply chewing out the same conclusion over and over, and in this case not even an interesting question to begin with, one might want to move the conversation elsewhere. Besides, that is also an extreme example that I doubt would become a dominant subject in that sort of discussion.

I don't see how this makes the thing any better, other than completely render everything that has happened in the story dangerously insignificant. That's why it was written from that beginning that the function failed and nobody was returned to the realm of the living, to ensure that nothing that happened in the story was dangerously insignificant. Even if characters who died were revived in the Red Star, it doesn't invalidate all their actions. The other characters certainly don't know they're up there. The fact that the MU was meant to be a boring place where mindless biomechanical beings kept a planet sized robot in good condition, but those beings ended up developing a whole culture and all that jazz, is really cool and I think that's what matters As for the cruelty, nobody is saying that the Great Beings were very nice. They seem like pretty messed up folk, they certainly don't have a very high regard for life. They created a giant living robot filled to the brim tiny living robots that had the abilities to create their own little living robots so that the giant robot could drift in space for hundreds of thousands of years to maybe someday reform a planet. They could've used all those resources to evacuate everyone in the first place. They seem like cold scientists rather than benevolent godlike figures. Of course they're gonna create a horrible immortal world, they just don't really care, especially cause the inhabitants aren't supposed to even be aware of that sort of thing, and it is in theory really really efficient. No it still kinda does. See, the problem here is that these are revelations (because I feel generous enough not to call them "retcons" right now) removes all sense of the extraordinary and unique. When the characters and story you've been following is a results of a completely different story that has not been foreshadowed in any way (Hints of Mata Nui being a machine god doesn't foreshadow anything about Spherus Magna) and are in fact nigh insignificant compared to that story, that becomes a problem. A good example and microcosm of this would be the revelation of the Bionicle Symbol's origin. What was this huge focal point in the belief system of the main civilization we've been following, the philosophy which people have fought and died for... revealed to be some planets we've never seen before surrounded by purple clouds. Does that revelation improve the story for you? I didn't think so. The worst part of this is how the story makes no attempt to deal with the ramifications of having the main characters we've been following for nearly a decade be a result of a rubbish pseudo-scientific "glitch in the system". Its just a random plot point that at the end improves nothing and only is there to be arbitary "completition" for the anoraks. The sort of people who scream about at the end unimportant details like Dalek timelines and such. Also doesn't help how the "real heroes" that the one's we've been following are based, the Agori and Glatorians, are completely dull and uninteresting and are only there as bad replacements that the story insists are "the originals" in vain attempt to make you care. Who really benefits by the inclusion of Spherus Magna and Agori? How do they improve anything in Bionicle prior?. Can you imagine yourself going back to play MNOG and think how much the revelation of Red Star being a jetback-backup disk improved it? Oh yes, that jetpack-backup disk, that brings us back to the Red Star. As I already said, outside of the factor of how every decisions made by the characters has been rendered insignificant, death loses its meaning when we know that the characters die but are going to eventually be, just as they are, thrown back to the world all fine. They are, quite thematically fitting, all slaves without agency to that system, Jovan included, left to fulfill some arbitrary artificial "destiny" never elaborated upon. Its not reincarnation, since in reincarnation there are changes which makes death more tragically beautiful. Jovan doesn't come out as different guy, he comes back as just Jovan again, like nothing had happened. Here, death is basically a respawn-point. Its a delay, not the final destination. And don't bring up how "the characters within the story didn't know about this". We are not the characters in the story, we are people who reading this story. And the story just doesn't work. ... The problem here is the characters did actually die, but then revealed very later on quite ontologically that oh wait they weren't haha death is not real kids. Also, this arguement is countering a completely different premise than the one presented. There's a difference between a feint like the one you argue, and a revelation that came much later that completely removed the notion of death. In your arguement, death, as in the inevitable point of no-return (or, return as the same as you were prior), is still a possibility. With the Red Star, death is completely removed as a possibility altogether. See how that comparison doesn't work?

And that's the end of this discussion. See you all next week.

I don't see how this makes the thing any better, other than completely render everything that has happened in the story dangerously insignificant.

That is indeed what "in my personal tastes", and I have full right to express it. Or is that too "off-topic"? :P

That sure is a person.

That's because they are mostly dull and uninteresting.

Maybe to [others]

Does that really make sense? "Bionicle has ended, disregard all Bionicle content because no new content will appear!" What I mean its pointless to deny all other forms of interpretation other than the supposed "evidence-based objective truths" that are sterile and devoid of any kind creative spark.

While I know this is a fanwork using limited assets, but there's not a whole lot of excitement in these. Characters seem to exist on a primarily 2D plane here, like sprites in an MSPaint comic than the actual thing. The camera-angles are rarely interesting and seem to be mostly static. I commend it as a beginner's work, but nothing more to be honest.

Not really, there's a difference between headcanon, which is making up new information, and alternative reading, which offers a new interesting perspective and interpretation for pre-existing stuff. After all, look at the Elder Scrolls Lore threads in bethsoft forums or reddit, or the Imperial Library. They work pretty well. Contradict your own canon you mean?

I thought, hey, this sounds pretty neat, I'l join up. Name: Koddho Gender: Male Species: Vo-Matoran Kanohi: Noble Mahiki Element: Electricity Faction: Unaffiliated freelancer Appearance: Lanky, tall, clearly sleep-deprived, lacking in posture and consistency in body movement. Body of marine and white. Mask of yellow. Powers: Koddho needs no special powers. Equipment: Pen and paper, his publications, his red scarf, and his myriad of rings that carry undistilled spices and drugs, which he already has a full satchels of. Zamor pistol for personal protection, as well as knives and a heatstone. Skills: Ceremonial rituals, knowledge of the esoteric and the mystical and beyond, hands fast enough to write pages upon pages of work and a mind clear enough to form nigh-coherent speech even when on the highest of highs. Also put tremendous effort on memorizing all the good, cheap bars and cafeterias in the city, what little there is. Weaknesses: Too weird, too rare, too odd, too high on psychedelics to be of any use, help, or down-to-earth acquaintance Bio: Everything about Koddho prior to his turn is an unremarkeable one. Middle-class family Happy life? Formal education on journalism? Friends? Family? Probable, but not important. What is important is the now, which forms the bakbone of the person that Koddho is. A bizarre, erratic man of unexpected knowledge, a journalist for several magazines, both controversial and trashy, and the sole editor of an independant mystical magazine known as the "Book of Olmak", known only by the most underground associations of the deepest recesses of each Metru. Thus, a decently known person among the circles, for reasons good and bad. After all, when you are a freelance journalist more interested in objective facts and truth than of naive material comfort, you are bound to make some enemies. Honest man with a goal for truth and numinousity, but too unpredictable to be trusted and too hidden in the thick levels of misplaced and self-important false sense of enigma and grandeur to be properly called friends with. Creating a framework of his own design, within his mind, and attacks it from the material world towards the inside.

What do you mean by live-action

I'm just here to interject that seems a little pointless endeavor to still cling on Bionicle canon, when there is no more new Bionicle canon. Also the fact that the canon we are defending is simply rubbish anyway, but that's neither here nor there http://tinyurl.com/mtgjjxp

That's actually the Gokaiger Gokai Changed as Carrangers.

So yes, there is no actual evolution with the Makuta. Only pretention and the removal of the first layer of deceit.

Exactly why do a Terridax who never became evil and a Takanuva drained of his light fighting not make sense? Strangeness is different from nonesensicality. I think the problem its just a stupid idea to begin with that doesn't actually add anything.

Maybe the problem lies in the fundamental fact that we shouldn't have used Agori built to make STARS. But unfortunately, that's just the reality we have to live in, because nothing nice happens amirite.

... Wait, I had posted a reply here but now its gone. Okay...? Whatever. My point is, there's a difference between "reinvention of canon" and "making readings and theories", the latter which works because it uses canon as the base ground. So, you are worrying over nothing. ^_^

Rather impractical and nonsensical idea, given how we are talking about fictional stories that people read into and allowed to grow within the garden of their mind, and not some kind of scientific research that you file and categorize with thoughtless sterility. Who cares. We are not LEGO. ... And I have no idea how this has anything to do with what I said, so I'm not gonna touch it.

There's never such a thing as "reading too much into it". Only "not reading into it enough." Not really. Too much of a blanket statement that actually worsen the situation.

Dude, what are you talking about? O.o Talking about what the Red Star represents in the story.

I don't like Chimoru though. Plus wouldn't be loyal to the original vision of the comic. Anyway, because I'm busy, here's a teaser for you about the upcoming comics. SPECULATION TIME

The OP post needs to learn how to use Enter key.