Kraahlix

Greg's old avatar...

Judge S&T contest please.

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Glad you noticed too, Chols.

Good to meet you too. =)

I missed out on some fun =)

You guys were cool... =P

Oh yeah --

Saturday!

I just love being portrayed like this.

With elephants on top of you?

Owned. xD

"This ship"

Not a problem, thanks for participating =)

Congratulations on your 100 congratulations. =P

Maybe we could get a picture of her in her Ignika-onesie one of these days?

Awesome. =D She is very lucky to have a father like you.

Yeah, it's cool. Traffic, not so much, but you're probably used to it.

If you moved to SoCal, you could visit me in Mexico. ;D

You forgot to say "in no particular order..." ;D

Lol, congrats. =P

It's a short trip.

Problem I'm seeing is that you were banned for speaking your opinion. :/

You know where to look. I don't know why you would say that.

Will do.

Thanks for your feedback!

You are becoming the 'boy who cried "period."' Periods are for established facts, and the fact is that you have continually had a problem breaking the No Reverting Staff Edits rule. Speaking of things that can't be refuted - shall we get into that one?

 

If you are the one with the concern, it's your job to begin the approach. You have yet to do so correctly. If you have and I do not know about it, send me the evidence and I will take action.

 

I do not wear glasses or contacts. My vision is above average. No one is seeing the entire picture here - it's been an ongoing issue for quite some grueling long time.

 

There is no way you could have said that without intending offense, so say what you want now, but anything short of an apology will not suffice.

 

No? I'm the one who began with encouraging you to calm down, and all of my comments have promoted calm, respectful methods of working out petty disagreements. Whenever you are ready, I have been waiting for a year.

Periods are for established facts, and the established fact is that I was doing my job and removing a false piece of info that ET was replacing. You should be thanking me for standing up to ET's completely inappropriate behaviour.

 

I began the approch. You brushed me off and refused to listen to me. Now I'm still trying to get your attention and you are still refusing to listen to the facts I am giving you.

 

That was a figure of speech. You aren't seeing the issue clearly.

 

I don't really care what you think, that did not have ANY offense behind it. It's your problem if it offended you, and I won't apologize for an insult I didn't make. Just drop it.

 

And on top of all that, I am just asking you to listen and be open-minded, like B-man. If you can't do that, then stay at BS01 and continue in your hypocrisy by voting against the EMK. On the other hand, if you can wrap your head around the possibility that I am right, then please, approach me civilly and let's continue.

[i'm getting tired of you mirroring my remarks. It seems a little juvenile, and I thought I would let you know.]

You're job was never reverting staff edits, that's what you were told not to do. Ever. ET had his problems, you had yours. He was dealt with, you were dealt with. You can accept that whenever you are able.

You have yet to do so correctly. If you have and I do not know about it, send me the evidence and I will take action.

And you can say that... how?

So what I am to believe... is that amongst a barrage of insults and name-calling, one portion in particular just sounds rude, but had no harmful intentions? That's interesting.

I don't recommend telling me things like "Just drop it." Not only is it bossy and you are out of your place - it seems counter-intuitive to the approach you are trying for.

It really isn't that hard to understand. You know the procedure - any child old enough to make an account on BS01 could be taught this.

If you have a disagreement... you talk to us. Nicely. We have a mature conversation about what should be done.

Because we are NOT actually the TERRIBLE people you think of us as. We do actually like to have our reference site accurate. Crazy, huh?! The problem with your case is that we're not going to allow you to set an example for everyone else of getting things done the way you want to do it. We will not have a member-base of users throwing a fit when they come across something they don't agree with. You will not get your way unless you can interact with the staff in an acceptable way.

You should try it. It's pretty easy.

So right now, if there's something that you think got overlooked/not handled the right way, come talk to us. Come explain why you think what you think should be done and it will be addressed. How does that not sound like the way things should work?

What a ridiculous and petty debate.

 

There's no issue with expressing dissent, however you've gone beyond that. You've resorted to baseless accusations and personal attacks. Look, you don't have to agree with how the BS01 staff decides to run their site, however you cannot go about attacking them every opportunity you get. They have every right to run their site as they see fit and you have to accept that what they say goes. If you aren't going to handle this maturely then maybe this isn't a discussion you should be participating in.

Ridiculous? Petty? If by that you mean arguing over my character, then I agree. If by the EMK, then you're wrong. This issue goes straight to the heart of BS01: consistancy and the effects of refusing to adhere to it. If the Staff refuse to be consistant, then what does that say about their character? What does that say about their responsibilities and accountability? If the Staff refuse to be consistant in one area, then what's to keep them from being inconsistant in another area? Say, Toa Tools? Guess what? That's already happening. Can they be relied upon to accurately make decisions? Well, of course they can...if they are willing to accept the fact that they are not perfect and should pick a consistant stance one way or the other. If they refuse the EMK, then they need to abide by their own rules.

 

No. No it is not baseless accusations. What are you talking about? Point out example is you can. They are hypocrites. Prove me wrong, if you want. Thus, I call them hypocrites. Stating that fact isn't so much a personal attack as confronting them about their unwillingness to reconsider the issue that they have a double-standard on. I'm handling this as maturely as anyone should: standing up for what I believe in and pointing out what is wrong with the BS01 administation. If you can't appriciate my willingness to endure personal attacks from Kraa about myself for the sake of correcting Kraa's character...

 

Is it too much to ask that we stay on-topic here with the issue? What do the Staff have to say in defense of their actions? Besides making personal attacks on my character...

As I've made clear, the issue will be addressed once it is is raised properly. That's how the dots connect.

On one hand, we have a person screaming "You're all hypocrites! Kill all hypocrites!".

 

On the other, we have a person screaming "We ain't hypocrites! Kill all extremists!".

 

Exaggerated, of course, but any outsider such as myself can easily see the idiocy being displayed by both sides of the argument. Both of you goes out to aggressively attack each other, and attempt to intimidate the other into submission via a holier-than-thou attitude, and not actually providing any sort of constructive solution towards any of the problems on hand.

 

~ Bioran

Why don't you speak for yourself there, Bioran? Don't be so quick to assume that "outsiders like yourself" will agree with you. What any outsider could see easily, though, is that you constantly tend to disagree with me at every turn.

That's why it come to absolutely no surprise for me to find that you are here, trying to drop in and hinder what I am doing.

I know it's hard not too intrude on two people arguing and try to make yourself look awesome, but maybe you could resist and pay more attention to what is going on? Because what you described is not what I am seeing - which goes along with what I've already made a point of.

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This is a lot harder than it has to be. It can end at any time you will just end your hostility and work out the issues you have. I'm all for it.

You are becoming the 'boy who cried "period."' Periods are for established facts, and the fact is that you have continually had a problem breaking the No Reverting Staff Edits rule. Speaking of things that can't be refuted - shall we get into that one?

If you are the one with the concern, it's your job to begin the approach. You have yet to do so correctly. If you have and I do not know about it, send me the evidence and I will take action.

I do not wear glasses or contacts. My vision is above average. No one is seeing the entire picture here - it's been an ongoing issue for quite some grueling long time.

There is no way you could have said that without intending offense, so say what you want now, but anything short of an apology will not suffice.

No? I'm the one who began with encouraging you to calm down, and all of my comments have promoted calm, respectful methods of working out petty disagreements. Whenever you are ready, I have been waiting for a year.

You don't care about these debates.

If you really did. REALLY. You would follow the clear. plain. simple. steps that have been laid it to you time and time again.

 

But you don't care enough.

You're just using whatever you can come up with as a weapon against BS01's "corrupted administration." Maybe you used to actually want to work some stuff out, but now you are just bitter and hostile.

 

I'm sure there are things we could do better, things we have overlooked, and things that have been handled wrong. We are human, the site is a WIKI, and we are open to suggestions, feedback, and criticism.

 

You just go about it in the wrong way.

 

Sound familiar yet?

Yeah...you're brushing me off again because you can't handle my 'disrespect'.

 

My blocking was the result of edit warring against ET. For some reason, I was actually doing the wrong thing by removing a piece of false info a Staffer left up, contacting ET respectfully about why he was replacing the blatantly false info, and standing up for my freedom of speech...keep telling yourself that.

 

You aren't really open to suggestions, feedback, and criticism. Otherwise, we would have resolved your hypocrisy now. Instead...you just care about being respected.

 

Nobody on the Staff can refute that they are being a hypocrite (whether knowingly or not), and so they refuse to listen to me. If the staff REALLY cared about handling this properly, they would come with an open mind and be polite, like B-man. Can you refute that you are a hypocrite?

Every single one of my points still stand. It is not a matter of handling your disrespect - it is tolerating it. Tolerating you and your attitude.

Your block was for exactly what the log will show - repeated breaking of policies. You can complain about them, but you cannot deny breaking them.

Nonsense, Bold Clone. You had every chance to respectfully approach disagreements. Do not write this off on me, or anyone else but yourself.

Not to meddle, but don't you two think that you should both follow each other's advice, just for once?

 

Because from the point of view of person who's reading this argument and trying to see who's right, right now you're both being fairly silly.

Without knowing the intense circumstances and being involved with the situation for as long as those who were tasked to be have, outside opinions will not get anyone very far. You are only seeing a small, foggy portion of the big picture.

Which appears to be why BC wanted to make this public... it is easier to get people to side with you when you only give your side of the story, and do so charismatically.

Not to meddle, but don't you two think that you should both follow each other's advice, just for once?

 

Because from the point of view of person who's reading this argument and trying to see who's right, right now you're both being fairly silly.

Silly how? Silly as "stooping to name-calling and ignoring the issue at heart"? Because I can certainly understand that with Kraa...No offence Kra.

 

I dunno if it's "Silly", to me, it seems like a heated discussion. Sorry if I'm stepping in all of a sudden BC...

No problem...it is sorta heated.

I take every bit of offense, just as you intended it.

I have no desire to confront you. I have left you alone for quite some time. I believe the last time I contacted you was to let you know that someone who was using a quote in relation to your banning was not meant offensively.

Yes, and I have told you why your arguments have gone an will go ignored. Nothing new there, just the same old concepts I have been trying to get you to accept for... what? A year now?

A "staff attitude" is probably attributed to... being on the staff. If I were you, I would not go complaining about my attitude. I've been patient with you, given you plenty of chances, tried to work through thugs, reached agreements with you, etc. You could have been handled MUCH worse, and your eventual blocking was of your own decisions.

I have no idea what you are trying to accomplish with your last paragraph. You are the one who wanted to make a blog about BS01 and flaunt your opinions about in the public, allowing anyone free access to the argument. I am pretty sure I, of all people, belong here.

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Bold Clone. You don't care about these debates.

If you really did. REALLY. You would follow the clear. plain. simple. steps that have been laid it to you time and time again.

But you don't care enough.

You're just using whatever you can come up with as a weapon against BS01's "corrupted administration." Maybe you used to actually want to work some stuff out, but now you are just bitter and hostile.

I'm sure there are things we could do better, things we have overlooked, and things that have been handled wrong. We are human, the site is a WIKI, and we are open to suggestions, feedback, and criticism.

You just go about it in the wrong way.

Sound familiar yet?

So, as usual, you feel the need to be confrontational, ignore everything that I said in regard to the root of the problem in our communictions, and go off with your attitude.

I'm sick of telling you the same thing over and over again. When you're ready to be a big boy and talk about your disagreements maturely, we can do so. The thing hindering our negotiations always has been (and is) your attitude and always will be until you take responsibility and treat us like a civil person would.