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I don't disagree that a village of air matoran would naturally be called the villiage of air, haha, but what I mean is why would the region of Le Wahi be called that and not Bo Wahi? Why call a huge jungle the "region of air" rather than the "region of the green." In universe I mean. From our perspective we naturally have no reason to have called it Bo because it wasn't a thing yet. But in universe, what reason might there be? Just cause Matau?

Anyone have an idea why Le-Wahi on Mata-Nui would have been called Le-Wahi when it's more a region of The Green? Wouldn't it be more aptly named Bo-Wahi and Le-Koro? I know on some level we're dealing with Matau here who gets to name things as he pleases, and it's not surprising he would call it Le-Wahi even with the plantlife, but is there any better explanation people might have?

They just exist, at some point get the means to summon the toa, and later on use it. I guess?

Crackpot theory on how Greg's unfinished serials could have been intended to end and bridged the gap into Gen 2. Ok so what do we know before the serials ended? We have a less than stable Great Being who has seen what his species' creations really were capable of doing, namely creating distraction, chaos, and misery. We have the Vahi going somewhere, and I think someone mentioned at some point that Vohporak is working with said Great Being, right? Even if not, the mask is on the move. We also have a fortress for the Golden Fusion sitting around. And we have, somewhat less directly related to the serials, the need for Vakama's past self to have a message received from a modern Toa of Sonics. Now let's string these pieces together. Long story short, Velika's plan isn't just to kill off the strongest beings on Spherus Magna. That's merely to keep them from interfering with his real plan: altering time itself. Velika has seen firsthand some of the worst parts of his creation, one that was meant to undo the harm inflicted by his people's uncaring attitude twords the Agori and Glatorian. Consequently, he wants to undo it all. Velika, as a great being, has a more intimate knowledge of Kanohi (as we saw when a great being froze Vezon's mask preventing him from leaving one of the alternate dimensions he entered). This means that (I admit I'm totally guessing here though) that Velika could use the legendary mask of time to tamper with the fabric of time itself. He would alter the timeline so that the Great Beings never create the MU, and Spherus Magna is allowed to come to a cataclysmic end (or maybe he'll make it so that the Great Beings actually rule to keep things from going crazy in the first place, whatever). So, because tampering with the literal fabric of reality isn't an exact science, a few rifts begin appearing throughout the planet. One of these happens to form while Krakua is helping deal with the Golden Being's fortress. He gets a chance to impart some wisdom to a past Toa Vakama before informing the planet's still settling civilization that something is not quite right. Que some story of discovering what's going on, and an eventual conflict between the Toa Mata and Velika. There's no hope to beat him. He may well be the closest thing to a god that this world has. So instead it ends in a compromise. The Toa convince Velika that it is unfair to punish his creations for his and his people's failures. If he truly wants to do well by them, he has to give them the agency to choose their destiny. Que speech on unity duty destiny blah blah blah. Here's where gen 2 comes in. To convonce Velika that it's worthwhile to keep from just rewriting history, the Mata agree to be woven into time as eternal heros who will descent from the heavens whenever called upon to battle the evil which Velika is so upset by. The vahi is strewn throughout the universe as a way of summoning the Toa from any time or place in the universe. Not only does this wrap up some of the complex issues at the end of the serials, it also gives the Toa Mata a proper ending. Think about it. The Toa Mata really never get to be the heroes we, and they, were told they were. From the very start, the Toa were prophesied as heroes who would defeat Makuta and awaken Mata-Nui. But what happens? Makuta's first defeat is a farce, and his second doesn't even involve them, just Takanuva. Then when they finally awaken the GS Robot, they pretty much enthroned the devil as an omniscient, all powerful god. And even then, they didn't awaken Mata-nui, the Mask of Life did. Fast forward to makuta's defeat and only Tahu is even involved! What's more, all he does is genocide the Rahkshi so MataNui can moon Makuta to death. They never really get that big moment to shine. Every victory is undermined or turned into something negative. This lets the Mata not only beat a greater evil than even Makuta, but become eternal heroes. I think that'd be a pretty proper way to send off our original power team, and provide technically an endless stream of continuations and reboots of bionicle using the main six. Consider Gen 2. The Toa just get called down to help Okoto like they did with Mata-Nui. And when they finished, they ascended back to the stars. It could even tie in the mask of creation and makuta's name being transcendent from Gen 1 as canonically caused by the time rewriting. Anyway, crackpot theory over. TLDR: Velika wanted to rewrite time but instead would have made Gen 2 possible via the Vahi

Headcanon accepted

You kind of answered your own question. If Toa of Water could control the temperature of their element directly, it'd pretty much make Toa of Ice obsolete. So it's probably safe to assume that they can neither heat nor cool water with their powers alone. I suppose I don't mean controlling the temperature of their water once it is created, or of naturally occurring water. I was thinking more so the ability to create hot water vs cold water or room temperature water through the use of elemental energy?

Can Toa control the specifics of their element, in this case, the heat of it? Can a Toa of water, perhaps with a lot of training, control the creation of hot, middle-temp, and cold water? Or just...water...of a regular temperature? Fire and Ice seem to be interesting since Fire is really more like heat increase and Ice is more like heat decrease along with their physical element? Anyway, thoughts?

I'd kind of like to know this too if possible. And if I could ask just out of curiosity, what new, possible elements are being thrown around?

*Facepalm* Yeah, you're right. I suppose stone would recieve it then? Along with gems too I guess, if there were any... The white quartz mountains are not made of Quartz, they are made out of ice but assuming it looks like Quartz. But assuming that they are named after the stone, and not just arbitrarily happening to have the same name as the stone, then quartz must exist, so I would still have the question of who could manipulate it? Though it's certainly looking like stone would.

Thanks Bonesii and Komali!

Another quick question! Are there gemstones in the EM? And it so, what element controls them? I would assume stone, right?

*Facepalm* Yeah, you're right. I suppose stone would recieve it then? Along with gems too I guess, if there were any...

Ok, so based on the topic I posted earlier, it looks like exidian is definitely under the canon umbrella of Fe containing all things metal (Gold Silver Iron). So my question is what in the Expanded elements would control exidian? Would Iron still control it? I only ask because I know that silver and gold were made into their own elements and so I wasn't sure what happened to exidian since Iron now controls...well something more close to JUST iron instead of every metal?

So...is there an element that would be able to control exidian? I realize that the element existed in SM and may not have existed at all in the MU, however does that mean no Toa could control or manipulate exidian? Or would Fe-Toa have the ability to manipulate exidian as pretty much Toa of all metal? I'm assuming that Fe-Toa must be able to control exidian since...well I assumed that Fe beings control metal in general including gold, silver, iron, quartz (assuming that the White Quartz Mountains are making reference to canon elemental quartz), etc. However before I asked the Expanded Universe people about where exidian stands on their elemental tables I wanted to bring the question to the canon department first. So, where does exidian stand? And for that matter, gold, silver, etc? Exidian is special I suppose since it's a fake element that is only confirmed to exist in SM, but the question is still there as to who can control gold and silver, since we've seen golden and silvery armor and metals in the MU before. So...go go canon question?

Yeah, persoanlly I'd love to have some part of the main universe's history be due to the infleunce of beings from another universe. I mean Takanuva alone managed to help ussurp and empire and aid in the final destruction of one univers's Teridax, why couldn't the main universe have gotten help along the way at some point too? Nothing big of course. Just, maybe a Toa from a universe where the Legue of Six Kingdom's succeded travels to the main universe and is part of the reason Teridax chooses to appose them in the core universe? Just a thought, and not a well thought out one, but something that could be interesting.

Agreed. Since the point of the main universe's story is to focus on its own beings, I doubt others randomly coming into the main universe would ever occur in the main plot. Still, it is interesting to think that it's possible that something big in the past could have been influenced by a traveler from a side universe.

Do you think it is possible or likely that at some point in the history of the main Bionicle Universe that someone from a separate universe (such as the Toa Empire or Kingdom universes) entered into the main universe and were involved in some great event or battle (similar to the ways that characters from the main universe have entered into and tampered with the events in separate universes within the Bionicle multiverse)? Or are only "side universes" separate from the core universe tampered with or entered by other universes? Or is the main universe the only one with beings capable of entering other universes? Just curious about what you all might think.

Woah, this is beautiful. I can't lie, I'm not particularly a fan of your rendition of masks on the characters, but I can understand why you would draw them that way. Beyond that, the fact that the masks and everything else in these few pages is so amazingly drawn just sweeps away any complaints I could form, which would be minimal in the first place. I love the characterization you managed to form in the characters in the few pages of dialogue and action you've made, it's impressive to say the least! And the fact that you can draw something so detailed and artistic to match that writing skill makes these a real gem. Specifically, I have to say my favorite part of this so far is that water effect in the last panel of page 11 for comic 1. It's just so fluid and...well and I don't know how to describe it accept to say that, to me at least, it's fantastic. I can only hope you'll keep up the work!

That makes sense. I'd hope that there are more species, and just as much variety on SM in comparison to the MU, but your logic follows so I can't disagree too successfully. The only thing I could counter with would be the fact that the Bionicle Universe is separate from out own, and so perhaps it's possible that their world usually supports greater variety of sapient life in an ecosystem, but that would be a flimsy argument. I thought there was a quote at one point from someone on the story team mentioning obscurely about other species of sapient life existing on SM which we simply didn't see in the Bara-Magna story years. I must be remembering wrong...

Do we know if there are/were many other species outside of the Skrall, Agori, Bone Hunters, and Glatorian on Spherus-Magna currently or at some point in the past? Since the MU had so many different and unique forms of life, I assume Spherus-Magna did as well?

Wow, a lot of really great explanations! Personally, I'm still on the fence about the rights to use the creation of a Toa Seal, but your arguments do make sense as to why it wouldn't necessarily be a very big issue in the Bionicle Universe.

Agreed, these were extreme situations. However, even if these were extreme curcinstances, there was no mention of whether it seemed right for the Toa to have created a Toa Seal. I feel like...maybe there should have been some mention of how using a Toa Seal should only be a last effort attack. Or the fact that it's a pretty bad fate and punishment. Obviously that's not going to happen, and I doubt it would have since Bionicle is still a kids toy , but what explanation are we as fans supposed to have for Toa Seals being allowed?

Yeah, I never really thought about it until an argument came up about humanize inprisonment in a Legends of Korra discussion (oddly enough). A Toa Seal always just seemed like a cool thing to me. Now I'm not sure how I feel about it being used...

As I'm short on time, I only read the open and this (I'm not sure why this could possibly become flamey, but okay, I'll keep an eye on it... later... if it does happen, remember to use the report button ). This is easy enough to answer -- if you need information from them in the future, or destiny has a purpose for them, death be bad. Example, the Bahrag. Killing them would have been very bad, in hindsight. Agreed, but is it right to put someone into forced solitary isolation for a prolonged period of time in order to meet these needs? You could inprison someone (and give them a better quality of life) and still be able to gain information or allow someone to meet their destiny later. Isn't there a question of a person's quality of life in all this? Looking at how even the forms of solitary isolation in our world can have negative effects on a person, I would think it would be more humane to imprison a being some way outside of creating a Toa Seal?

Considering the nature of this question, and the discussion that could come from it, I want to warn any moderators that although I don't want this discussion to become flame-fodder, it could go that way. So if things do head that direction, I apologize for playing any part in starting it. However, I could be worried over nothing since we've had polite debate over heavy topics before, and my topic may not even be heavy at all, so I'll just end up looking silly for saying anything. My basic question is people's thoughts on morality of the Toa code in its allowance for some "worse-than-death" punishments, as well as how its flexibility works in allowing Toa to kill some things and not others. What I mean by "worse-than-death" is mainly aimed at the fact that Toa are able to create a Toa Seal that effectively seals away a living being until the seal is broken by the same six elemental powers that formed it (I may be wrong in my knowledge of how Toa Seals work, but I think that it's accurate that the breaking of a Toa seal simply involves the crossing of all six elemental powers that were involved in the making of the seal). Although this does keep Toa free of the consequences of directly killing an individual, I've began to wonder if this form of alternate punishment is "morally higher" than simply killing the person being imprisoned in the first place? In a Toa Seal, a being is left entirely or mostly immobilized, yet still conscious and capable of some metal functions (proven by Makuta's summoning of the Visorak to Metru-Nui while sealed, and the direct communication between the Bahrag and the Bohrok-Kal during their attempt to free the queens). Could a Toa Seal then be compared to a punishment worse than even solitary confinement in our world (something that has been documented to cause harm to prisoners kept under such conditions for long periods of time)? Although you do leave your enemy alive, what life do you leave them with? I'm not saying that since a Toa Seal would leave a being in a worse place than death that a Toa ought to kill them. I'm more-so saying that, if a Toa Seal is worse than death, why is it allowed under Toa Code rules? Shoudln't they find some other way of dealing with an enemy similar to how Toa have to avoid directly killing someone? Even if the avoidance of killing in the Toa Code is to avoid a Dark Mirror situation, the fact that killing is taboo but forcing a being to live under eternal solitude is within the Toa Code seems...odd? However, it could be argued that the Red Star makes Toa Seals an effective way of removing an enemy from activity without the threat of their revival on the Red Star. Obviously, with the existence of the Red Star's functions, a being who is killed is not guaranteed to stay dead for very long. But since we do know of ways to permanently kill a being from the MU (the total destruction of the being's body) the ability to permanently remove an enemy from the Matoran Universe was at least an available option; though it would have been difficult in certain cases I suppose. Would this form of totally removing an enemy be more "humane" than leaving a being functionally dead-like yet forced to remain conscious and alive? Also, leaving an enemy sealed away yet still able to make some interaction with the outside world leads to other problems that could be avoided by simply permanently killing someone. Take Makuta as the prime example: he summoned to Visorak hoard while still inside his Toa Seal (I think; I may be wrong). And while the Visorak may have come to Metru-Nui even without Makuta's influence, it seems dangerous that even in a Toa Seal, some beings could still be a viable danger? Then again, considering Makuta's level of power may influence the fact that he was such a threat even in a seal. A more average powered being may not pose any kind of threat inside a Toa Seal... My question on the flexibility of the Toa Code is mostly aimed at the interactions between the Toa Mata and at least two threats that they faced. Was it (and if it was:why?) within the boundaries of the Toa Code for the Mata to destroy the Avohkah, or for Tahu to wipe out the Rahkshi on Bara-Magna? In both cases, I'd say that the creatures who were killed were not quite on the level of total sapience, so I'd assume then that the Toa Code is defined more by not killing SAPIENT life rather than SENTIENT life (which would make sense). If a Toa couldn't kill ANYTHING, even plants and animals would be off-limits, limiting their ability to eat. Although food in Bionicle is already a bit consing at times anyway.I just wanted to be sure that this assumption about killing sapient beings vs living things was correct. =] The Bionicle universe is entirely separate from our own, so obviously it runs by different rules than our own, and those rules naturally affect the way morality would work in that world in comparison to our own. Regardless of whether I agree with the morality of killing a human-being vs. keeping them alive in our world, it seems that in the MU, it may be "morally-higher" to permanently remove an enemy from the universe instead of allowing them to live, but in a pseudo-living torture. So...what is the explanation for the Toa Code allowing for the creation of Toa Seals, but not for killing of your enemies? What are your explanations as fans? Sorry if my question is silly or a waste of your time, and for grammar and spelling mistakes. TL;DR- Toa Seals seem more harsh than death, so why doe the Toa Code allow for them?