Takametru007 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 What is the meaning behind this dialogue in the Mask of Light movie: Makuta: Well played, Toa. Now, I will protect Mata-Nui from you. Takanuva: Protect him? Makuta: Sleep spares him pain. Awake, he suffers. Takanuva: You - are not protecting him! Makuta: My duty is to the Mask of Shadows! How is Makuta "protecting" Mata-Nui from the Toa? How would Mata-Nui suffer if awake? And what does Makuta mean that his duty is to the Kraahkan? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toru Nui Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Well as soon as Mata Nui awakens, he gets forced out of his own body by Makuta and gets stranded on a desert planet. So I'd say that sleep DOES spare him pain. Makuta is mocking Takanuva and everyone else without them realizing because they don't know Makuta's plan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 1st Shadow Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Most of that dialogue was written before the rest of the story was fleshed out, for one thing. Originally, LEGO had planned Bionicle just like any other theme, with a projected lifespan of three years. In the original concept, defeating Makuta would awaken Mata Nui. So, in the context of that original plan, when the screenplay was written, it would have made more sense. After they decided to keep it going for a lot longer, we saw things from a whole new perspective, and that bit of dialogue doesn't make a whole lot of sense. That said, Teridax was mainly mocking Takanuva, trying to make him question things and hesitate. Teridax perceived Mata Nui's ignorance of his people to be worthy of punishment, in a really messed up sense. Also, Teridax needed Mata Nui to die, at least long enough for his spirit to leave his body so that Teridax could take over. For that to happen, MN's health had to deteriorate, and Teridax had been monitoring that to the best of his abilities. So, he was protecting the part of his Plan that involved Mata Nui. If the Toa woke him up too soon, his Plan would fail. In that context, the line makes more sense. The "suffering" part was just him being deceptive and dramatic. 4 Quote ~Your friendly, neighborhood Shadow ~Credit for Avatar and Banner goes to NickonAquaMagna~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iruini Nuva Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) I'm theorycrafting/over-reading a bit, but at the time, it was one of our earlier hints that he might have broader motive. Prior, he was simply evil, with jealously as his primary motivation. This line reads almost as self-justification. "It's easier this way." Merciful. Pure evil is easier to identify than evil that argues it's actually doing a good thing. Similar arguments appear as justification for leading the Matoran elsewhere in Bionicle, iirc. Could also be that Mata Nui would be pretty upset at the goings-on of the last thousand years. Better that he just stays asleep. The "duty to the mask of shadows" line was always awkward. I guess it's another justification (mask made me do it)? Edited January 5, 2017 by Iruini Nuva Quote Makuta: Consumed By Light • Rebrick Entry • Topic & Backstory • Blog ----------------- 2015 Sets: 18/18 + 3 • Polybags: 1/2 • SDCC x2, NYCC Clear MoF, Trans-MoF 2016 Sets: 17/17 + 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSkeletonMan939 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) Let's tackle this with a heavy dose of over-analyzation and misinterpretation: "My duty is to the Mask of Shadows!" The Kraahkan is a universal symbol of the Makuta - thus he is in more literal terms saying, "My duty is to accomplish the tasks set forth for the Makuta race by Mata Nui." Sleep spares him pain. Awake, he suffers. I wouldn't be surprised if Teridax was aware that Mata Nui was on his way to report back to the Great Beings. Sleep keeps Mata Nui alive, whereas he would be deactivated upon returning to Solis Magna. After all, is the duty of a Makuta not to preserve Mata Nui's place as Great Spirit of the universe? In a twisted way, Teridax is doing just that, and the entire MU likely owes their lives to him. The truth is that the writers had no clue what the 2008 "twist" would be and made up some stuff that would sound deep and sophisticated to the mind of a 10-year-old. If you want to try to make more out of less and give actual credibility to these statements, I think I've done an all-right job. Edited January 5, 2017 by TheSkeletonMan939 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 1st Shadow Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 The truth is that the writers had no clue what the 2008 "twist" would be and made up some stuff that would sound deep and sophisticated to the mind of a 10-year-old. If you want to try to make more out of less and give actual credibility to these statements, I think I've done an all-right job.Wrong. Faber and Farshety confirmed that the giant robot thing was planned from the very beginning. The writers knew that. A background character even says the line "he's a giant robot" after Hahli makes her speech towards the end. Had 2003 ended the way they would have originally planned, we would have seen the GSR rising up at the end of Mask of Light. On the "duty is to the mask of shadows" bit, since I didn't address it before, it could mean any number of things. As was already suggested, the Kraahkan is the symbol of the Makuta, and so he could have meant that he was doing the task his race was assigned to. However, a wildly different perspective comes into play when you read the novelization. In the book, Teridax says "my duty is to the shadows." No hint of a mask. In this context, he's specifically referring to himself and the other Makuta, since they are the most common bearers of the element of Shadow. 1 Quote ~Your friendly, neighborhood Shadow ~Credit for Avatar and Banner goes to NickonAquaMagna~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSkeletonMan939 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 The truth is that the writers had no clue what the 2008 "twist" would be and made up some stuff that would sound deep and sophisticated to the mind of a 10-year-old. If you want to try to make more out of less and give actual credibility to these statements, I think I've done an all-right job. Wrong. Faber and Farshety confirmed that the giant robot thing was planned from the very beginning. The writers knew that. A background character even says the line "he's a giant robot" after Hahli makes her speech towards the end. Neither of them were writers for the film.They may have made general contributions to the narrative but the nitty-gritty dialogue was not their own. Unless Greg or Bob Thompson or someone on the actual story team made the "Mata Nui is a giant robot!" thing clear to whoever wrote the screenplay, there's no reason to assume the twist had any real bearing on the film's plot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takametru007 Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 Let's tackle this with a heavy dose of over-analyzation and misinterpretation: "My duty is to the Mask of Shadows!" The Kraahkan is a universal symbol of the Makuta - thus he is in more literal terms saying, "My duty is to accomplish the tasks set forth for the Makuta race by Mata Nui." Sleep spares him pain. Awake, he suffers. I wouldn't be surprised if Teridax was aware that Mata Nui was on his way to report back to the Great Beings. Sleep keeps Mata Nui alive, whereas he would be deactivated upon returning to Solis Magna. After all, is the duty of a Makuta not to preserve Mata Nui's place as Great Spirit of the universe? In a twisted way, Teridax is doing just that, and the entire MU likely owes their lives to him. The truth is that the writers had no clue what the 2008 "twist" would be and made up some stuff that would sound deep and sophisticated to the mind of a 10-year-old. If you want to try to make more out of less and give actual credibility to these statements, I think I've done an all-right job. I heard that, instead of deactivating Mata-Nui, the Great Beings were going to transfer his soul into a an even bigger robot, and Makuta would have assumed control of the MU- this was back when he was good, of course. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 1st Shadow Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 The truth is that the writers had no clue what the 2008 "twist" would be and made up some stuff that would sound deep and sophisticated to the mind of a 10-year-old. If you want to try to make more out of less and give actual credibility to these statements, I think I've done an all-right job. Wrong. Faber and Farshety confirmed that the giant robot thing was planned from the very beginning. The writers knew that. A background character even says the line "he's a giant robot" after Hahli makes her speech towards the end. Neither of them were writers for the film.They may have made general contributions to the narrative but the nitty-gritty dialogue was not their own. Unless Greg or Bob Thompson or someone on the actual story team made the "Mata Nui is a giant robot!" thing clear to whoever wrote the screenplay, there's no reason to assume the twist had any real bearing on the film's plot. Greg was a consultant for the script. He reviewed the whole thing. But not just him. There were other members of the story team that were heavily involved in every aspect of the movies. Didn't you watch the extras on the DVDs? Robot was planned from the beginning, but they couldn't explicitly say so back then because it would have spoiled it. I named Greg and Faber because they confirmed that the robot was planned from the beginning, 2 years before the movie began production. Timeline time! 1. Bionicle concept is developed, including the "MN is a giant robot" part2. sets are developed and story is fleshed out3. 20014. 2002/production of movie begins5. 2003/movie is released6. prequel arc7. Ignition arc8. Robot is revealed to the rest of the world Clear? 3 Quote ~Your friendly, neighborhood Shadow ~Credit for Avatar and Banner goes to NickonAquaMagna~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSkeletonMan939 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Robot was planned from the beginning, but they couldn't explicitly say so back then because it would have spoiled it. Yes, we all know the robot was planned from the beginning. I'm confident that the writers of this film didn't know that though. Whether or not Greg was a consultant is irrelevant. If the writers had known this marvelous revelation about who Mata Nui was, don't you think the ending would have been a little less sloppy and confusing? The Matoran et al. go to "awaken Mata Nui" and lift up a rock door and something happens (read: nothing happens), because in reality the writers had no clue who this nebulous "Mata Nui" guy was, and thought that having some bright lights go off was ambiguous enough to hide their ignorance. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toatapio Nuva Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Funnily enough, the line "my duty is to the mask of shadows" was actually originally scripted as "my duty remains to the shadows", but was accidentally mixed up by the writers to the current one. This was revealed in one of those really old Bzp news articles, though I don't know which one. The original line can also be seen in the novelization of the film, in which it is correct. I remember the article saying that they kept the mix-up as it was because they "thought it was funny". 4 Quote My BZPRPG profiles - Viima, Lai Lai Kirgan, Jarkale, Hile, Tuli + Kavala, Khervos, Thira Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPIRIT Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Well if you were lying on the ocean floor with a gaping hole in your chest as a catastrophic amount of seawater poured into your heart over the course of a thousand years, I'd imagine you'd rather be asleep too. 5 Quote ~ The Jazziest JtO Spoof ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiriamu Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 I like to think that the Kraahkan was at least partially sentient and that it fed Teridax's sense of bitterness and envy over the millennia. 1 Quote Voicing your opinions with tact is the best way to keep a discussion from becoming an argument.So far as I'm aware, it's pronounced like this: We're ee ah moo. Check out my Creations:EpicsG1 Battle for Spherus Magna - G2 A Lingering ShadowShort StoriesG1 Fallen Guardian - G2 Shadows of Past and Future (The Legend Continues Entry) Head of Stone, Heart of JungleMOCsMask Hoarder, Desert Scourge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladon: Lord of Hesperides Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Greg was a consultant for the script. He reviewed the whole thing. ...was he? Because I distinctly remember him saying that he thought characterization was way off the mark from their Story Bible (especially for Pohatu and Lewa). If he had any sort of serious input on the story I thought that wouldn't have been the case. 2 Quote "Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Inika Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 There's a TTV article theorizing that BIONICLE G2 took certain notes from BIONICLE G1 that weren't ultimately used, specifically that the Kraahkan did corrupt Makuta and make him believe he was doing the right thing, like the Mask of Ultimate Power corrupting G2 Makuta. 1 Quote "You are an absolute in these uncertain times. Your past is forgotten, and your future is an empty book. You must find your own destiny, my brave adventurer." -- Turaga Nokama Click here to visit my library! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSkeletonMan939 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 I don't know about that... I don't even think the Kraahkan existed until 2003. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gereostebaudo Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Before the ret Canon Makuta was a natural destructive force and wasn't pure veil. We can't clearly know what would become but we know that the giant Mata-Nui body was already planned and he was already sick by Makuta's shadows, may be Makuta was a natural Matanui's mechanism that was corrupted creating all this "cancer" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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