I am I who I want to be. I want to be a good person, I'm a Bionicle fan, combined the two and you get a good fan. I try to be a person who listens to opinions and understands, and I feel that by creating a club like this you are saying that those who do not choose to join are not true fans, which is unfair. What about fans without internet?

Okay, first off, I'm sorry, but this is straight-up ridiculous. Nowhere did I state that anyone who doesn't join isn't a true fan. And do you seriously believe that I'd exclude anyone who simply doesn't have internet? Well if that's the case I guess you can't be a true fan if you're illiterate, can't read english, blind, paralyzed (since they obviously can't type and say they want to join), dyslexic, homeless, without a computer...should I go on? That's some of the worst words I've ever had put in my mouth by somebody else.

 

 

But if you want to be apart of an online community of fans, then it's important to be a good understanding person. Which means not hating someone for liking Hero Factory, or for not liking it.

This is precisely one of the things this club is all about! Did you read any or only part of the entry? Your post seems to be based off a simple assumption of what you thought the title meant.

 

It means understanding that LEGO is a company that serves many, and they do what is in best interest in the majority, which in turn brings them more income. In my opininion BIONICLE won't come back until LEGO sees fan work and voice, artistic protest, and feels Hero Factory or whatever that's around at the time is done and expired. Though it may never come back.

This is something I myself have stated I belive not more than a few comments above yours, bub.

 

I disagree with you because you believe in inevitability, that there MUST be true fans, that BIONICLE can't return, and that LEGO will keep HF forever. There is no such thing as inevitability.

Okay, now you're REALLY putting words in my mouth and making things up. "MUST be true fans"? I didn't say that and, as a matter of fact, I stated quite clearly that this is OUR INTERPRETATION of what a "true fan" would be. Not once did I claim it's the end-all definition that everyone must accept and adhere to.

 

"that Bionicle can't return"? One of the absolute MAJOR points to this club is that Bionicle can come back. A lot of people just aren't going about trying to bring it back the right way.

 

"that LEGO will keep HF forever"? Once again, if you could be bothered to scroll up the page just a couple clicks I stated that I simply meant LEGO simply isn't going to drop Hero Factory like a bad habit simply because some people want it to. Go read that post for yourself.

 

Finally, I got news for you bub. You're gonna die someday. THAT is inevitable. Just as it's inevitable that the sun will rise and set from day to day. The world is cram-packed with "inevitables".

 

That is why I'm NOT signing.

Truth be told I'd feel awful strange adding somebody to the list who obviously couldn't be bothered to fully read and/or understand just what the heck this is all about.

 

«Takuma Nuva»

Thats the piont. I understand if you don't mean such things, but if someone LIKE me misenterprets your words in the definition of "True fan" then it's obviously something you shouldn't define, let alone make a club of! I didn't mean to put words in your mouth, but with things like this nothing should "lost in translation" (etc. Misenterpreting words, missing a post.) I did not mean to insult you or your opinion, and I'm sorry on that account. I am going to re-evaluate my opinion on this particular subjet, though.

Thanks,

TLC

PS: Don't assume everything I state is a judgement of your club, I agree on many of your pionts, and I did read the majority of your previous posts. I was simply giving my overal opinion of the concept. My opinion being that this is more of a " good fan" club then a "true fan" club, as the word TRUE implies a " be all end all" concept. The last thing we want on bzp is people with signatures or what not that say they are truer fans because there in the "official club".

EDiT: WOW that thing I said about inevitability was stupid! Can I take that back? I meant to say more on the line of there is a chance for everything, or something. Sorry! ... Though there may be one day when the sun doesn't rise and people live forever, with science and the apocalypse and all...

Thats the piont. I understand if you don't mean such things, but if someone LIKE me misenterprets your words in the definition of "True fan" then it's obviously something you shouldn't define, let alone make a club of! I didn't mean to put words in your mouth, but with things like this nothing should "lost in translation" (etc. Misenterpreting words, missing a post.) I did not mean to insult you or your opinion, and I'm sorry on that account. I am going to re-evaluate my opinion on this particular subjet, though.

 

Thanks,

 

TLC

Well, I must say I may have been a little....aggressive in countering your point, I apologize for that.

However, I still can't concede the point of if somebody "misenterprets your words in the definition of 'True fan'", because it was specifically to avoid this that I stated right from the beginning that this was not a definition but rather our interpretation. Essentially, I said "this is what it means to me", not "this is what it means, period". I'm really struggling to see how that could have been "lost in translation" right now.

Count me in.

I'm in this, but could you put my name down as Shadonix?

Hmm, just found this and finished reading all the entries, so I may go back a little ways.

 

This quote if from the topic in which he first said it in response to a question on if LEGO might bring it back do to people's complaints.

. . . What I am actually implying is that if there is no fan sentiment being expressed for it at all, it definitely WON'T come back. The only reason LEGO would have to bring it back down the line is if they feel there is an audience out there for it. If the fan community just dries up and blows away, then the prevailing notion will be that no one is interested enough to support its return.

As you can see, he neither confirms nor denies whether or not "petitions, raids [ ], boycotts, etc." may help to bring back BIONICLE. In fact, he seems to confirm that both "petitions, raids [ ], boycotts, etc." and "just kept having fun with it same as they always had" would help to convince LEGO that "there is an audience out there for it". He doesn't appear to limit it as you do.

What I think that the point Greg was trying to make was that, although BIONICLE has ended, that does not mean that enjoyment of it should end just as well. We can go on as we've always had. We can keep discussing story, we can keep writing fanfiction, we can keep building MOCs and everything else. He was basically saying that just because BIONICLE ended doesn't mean that we have to completely throw BIONICLE into the trash bin and forget about everything and stop making MOCs or writing fanfiction and leave BZPower altogether. It means that, although it is gone, we can still keep talking about it and doing stuff with it. It does not mean, however, that we should bother LEGO with all these thousand and one petitions and letters.

I have never seen more words put into Greg's mouth than I have over this quote. The topic Greg originally said this in was a "give it a rest, BIONICLE is never coming back" topic. Certainly it does not say that "we should bother LEGO with all these thousand and one petitions and letters", but it also does not say they "we shouldn't bother LEGO with all these thousand and one petitions and letters", that would be twisting his quote out-of-context. Also, thousands of letters and petitions sounds like a bit of an exageration, don't you think.

That is untrue, as it seems to be exactly what Greg is saying. What do you think Star Trek fans did all these years? Write petitions and letters to the producers time after time after time again? No, they kept discussing the story and writing fanfiction and the like. Greg was talking about general interest in BIONICLE, interest being kept alive the fan community. Not suddenly start going on RAEG TRIPS and bombarding LEGO to bring it back, because sooner or later they're going to get tired of us.

You must remember, though: LEGO is making quite the push to get Hero Factory out there. Storied LEGO themes died because the stories were limited to online games and two paged comics in the LEGO Magazine. Hero Factory has its own TV Show, which means that more kids see it all the time and it is in their minds much more than the usual LEGO theme is. They are more likely to ask their parents for the sets and stuff for Christmas and Birthday presents that way.

BIONICLE also got a very big push, yet, it also nearly died on it's 3rd year. Also, it's worth pointing out that Hero Factory is not the first LEGO theme to have a TV show. Galidor was. And not just 4 episodes either, 2 full, 13-episode seasons! It even got high-ratings, believe it or not! Bet I don't need to tell you what happened to it though.

Not as much as Hero Factory, mind you. BIONICLE got several CDs and a card game in its first year, I believe. Also, Galidor was not made by LEGO, so I'm not sure where you're going with that. Obviously, if you're going to go that way, Star Wars was the first licensed theme to have a TV series made off it, but since that didn't have anything to do with LEGO either, it doesn't count.

Hmm, just found this and finished reading all the entries, so I may go back a little ways.

 

This quote if from the topic in which he first said it in response to a question on if LEGO might bring it back do to people's complaints.

. . . What I am actually implying is that if there is no fan sentiment being expressed for it at all, it definitely WON'T come back. The only reason LEGO would have to bring it back down the line is if they feel there is an audience out there for it. If the fan community just dries up and blows away, then the prevailing notion will be that no one is interested enough to support its return.

As you can see, he neither confirms nor denies whether or not "petitions, raids [ ], boycotts, etc." may help to bring back BIONICLE. In fact, he seems to confirm that both "petitions, raids [ ], boycotts, etc." and "just kept having fun with it same as they always had" would help to convince LEGO that "there is an audience out there for it". He doesn't appear to limit it as you do.

What I think that the point Greg was trying to make was that, although BIONICLE has ended, that does not mean that enjoyment of it should end just as well. We can go on as we've always had. We can keep discussing story, we can keep writing fanfiction, we can keep building MOCs and everything else. He was basically saying that just because BIONICLE ended doesn't mean that we have to completely throw BIONICLE into the trash bin and forget about everything and stop making MOCs or writing fanfiction and leave BZPower altogether. It means that, although it is gone, we can still keep talking about it and doing stuff with it. It does not mean, however, that we should bother LEGO with all these thousand and one petitions and letters.

I have never seen more words put into Greg's mouth than I have over this quote. The topic Greg originally said this in was a "give it a rest, BIONICLE is never coming back" topic. Certainly it does not say that "we should bother LEGO with all these thousand and one petitions and letters", but it also does not say they "we shouldn't bother LEGO with all these thousand and one petitions and letters", that would be twisting his quote out-of-context. Also, thousands of letters and petitions sounds like a bit of an exageration, don't you think.

That is untrue, as it seems to be exactly what Greg is saying. What do you think Star Trek fans did all these years? Write petitions and letters to the producers time after time after time again? No, they kept discussing the story and writing fanfiction and the like. Greg was talking about general interest in BIONICLE, interest being kept alive the fan community. Not suddenly start going on RAEG TRIPS and bombarding LEGO to bring it back, because sooner or later they're going to get tired of us.

 

You must remember, though: LEGO is making quite the push to get Hero Factory out there. Storied LEGO themes died because the stories were limited to online games and two paged comics in the LEGO Magazine. Hero Factory has its own TV Show, which means that more kids see it all the time and it is in their minds much more than the usual LEGO theme is. They are more likely to ask their parents for the sets and stuff for Christmas and Birthday presents that way.

BIONICLE also got a very big push, yet, it also nearly died on it's 3rd year. Also, it's worth pointing out that Hero Factory is not the first LEGO theme to have a TV show. Galidor was. And not just 4 episodes either, 2 full, 13-episode seasons! It even got high-ratings, believe it or not! Bet I don't need to tell you what happened to it though.

Not as much as Hero Factory, mind you. BIONICLE got several CDs and a card game in its first year, I believe. Also, Galidor was not made by LEGO, so I'm not sure where you're going with that. Obviously, if you're going to go that way, Star Wars was the first licensed theme to have a TV series made off it, but since that didn't have anything to do with LEGO either, it doesn't count.

 

Actually, Galidor did have a lego line. From a long time ago, but it did have one.

VMN

Hmm, just found this and finished reading all the entries, so I may go back a little ways.

 

This quote if from the topic in which he first said it in response to a question on if LEGO might bring it back do to people's complaints.

. . . What I am actually implying is that if there is no fan sentiment being expressed for it at all, it definitely WON'T come back. The only reason LEGO would have to bring it back down the line is if they feel there is an audience out there for it. If the fan community just dries up and blows away, then the prevailing notion will be that no one is interested enough to support its return.

As you can see, he neither confirms nor denies whether or not "petitions, raids [ ], boycotts, etc." may help to bring back BIONICLE. In fact, he seems to confirm that both "petitions, raids [ ], boycotts, etc." and "just kept having fun with it same as they always had" would help to convince LEGO that "there is an audience out there for it". He doesn't appear to limit it as you do.

What I think that the point Greg was trying to make was that, although BIONICLE has ended, that does not mean that enjoyment of it should end just as well. We can go on as we've always had. We can keep discussing story, we can keep writing fanfiction, we can keep building MOCs and everything else. He was basically saying that just because BIONICLE ended doesn't mean that we have to completely throw BIONICLE into the trash bin and forget about everything and stop making MOCs or writing fanfiction and leave BZPower altogether. It means that, although it is gone, we can still keep talking about it and doing stuff with it. It does not mean, however, that we should bother LEGO with all these thousand and one petitions and letters.

I have never seen more words put into Greg's mouth than I have over this quote. The topic Greg originally said this in was a "give it a rest, BIONICLE is never coming back" topic. Certainly it does not say that "we should bother LEGO with all these thousand and one petitions and letters", but it also does not say they "we shouldn't bother LEGO with all these thousand and one petitions and letters", that would be twisting his quote out-of-context. Also, thousands of letters and petitions sounds like a bit of an exageration, don't you think.

That is untrue, as it seems to be exactly what Greg is saying. What do you think Star Trek fans did all these years? Write petitions and letters to the producers time after time after time again? No, they kept discussing the story and writing fanfiction and the like. Greg was talking about general interest in BIONICLE, interest being kept alive the fan community. Not suddenly start going on RAEG TRIPS and bombarding LEGO to bring it back, because sooner or later they're going to get tired of us.

 

You must remember, though: LEGO is making quite the push to get Hero Factory out there. Storied LEGO themes died because the stories were limited to online games and two paged comics in the LEGO Magazine. Hero Factory has its own TV Show, which means that more kids see it all the time and it is in their minds much more than the usual LEGO theme is. They are more likely to ask their parents for the sets and stuff for Christmas and Birthday presents that way.

BIONICLE also got a very big push, yet, it also nearly died on it's 3rd year. Also, it's worth pointing out that Hero Factory is not the first LEGO theme to have a TV show. Galidor was. And not just 4 episodes either, 2 full, 13-episode seasons! It even got high-ratings, believe it or not! Bet I don't need to tell you what happened to it though.

Not as much as Hero Factory, mind you. BIONICLE got several CDs and a card game in its first year, I believe. Also, Galidor was not made by LEGO, so I'm not sure where you're going with that. Obviously, if you're going to go that way, Star Wars was the first licensed theme to have a TV series made off it, but since that didn't have anything to do with LEGO either, it doesn't count.

 

 

Actually, Galidor did have a lego line. From a long time ago, but it did have one.

 

VMN

It had a LEGO line, but it was a licensed line rather than an original one like HERO Factory.

Add me to this list.

I think your words speak sense.

Edit: Wow...I'm the 100th person...

Count me in, as well.

I may not be on BZP much anymore, but I agree with everything you've said.

Count me in.

Is there room for more members? I would like to join if you don't mind.

~Kyou

Is there room for more members? I would like to join if you don't mind.

 

~Kyou

There's always room for more!

I'm in. Please put my Username on that list. :]

Finlay someone who's along the same thought process as me. You can count me in on this (That is if you're still excepting people).

Here's to Bionicle, and I wish Hero Factory luck.

That secondary title may cause a few misunderstandings, you know. However, it is a good head-turner. And I agree- steadfast supporting, not screaming and ranting at its demise. The story is still going, we have BZP still running, and Hero Factory is a newer, potentially(I said potentially, haters!) better supply of pieces. That's all I need.

Although I have thought every so often about making my own animated reboot sort of thing. Obviously, I don't possess that sort of ability, even non-professionally, but if I ever do... Perhaps, in time, that will be the revival everyone's been waiting fore. Otherwise, just sit tight, and either enjoy what we have, or use BZP to make up your own. No use flaming TLG.

So here I am, happy to be here and included in this club. If you'll accept me, that is.

EDIT: Here's a little something extra. Back when I first heard about HF, I thought it would be an abomination. I hated their looks, I hated the story, and I absolutely, absolutely could not understand the reviews' enthusiasm. That changed when I saw the promos and read the comics, and found myself thinking, "Hey, this isn't half bad!" My current opinion? I don't like it as much as Bionicle (the focus on Bill is especially aggravating), but it's certainly not as horrible as I first thought, and I am now perfectly able to accept its existence.

I've changed mind, If there's room can I join?

Joinjoinjoin!

Support = 100%

Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

I want to join.

Bionicle was always there for me. When nothing else was, it was bionicle. I guarantee you, I would be a different person without bionicle.

Sign me up.

-80

Count me in. BZP has never seen a better club.

You summarized how I feel about Bionicle perfectly. Must. Join.

Also, because of the awesomeness of this entry, you have pleased the Zarnalo, and as a reward, he hath approved thine blog. XD

-Zar-

This reminds me of a logical fallacy called "No True Scotsman."

I personally didn't like the last year or so of Bionicle, but I still consider myself a true fan.

I agree wholeheartedly with everything you've said, Takuma.

And I join.