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After the obvious answer of "Matoro," I would say Toa Ignika. He gave up his brand new Toa body in order to complete the final task that had to be done in order to awaken Mata Nui, so I'd say he's almost on-par with Matoro in terms of heroism.

As far as I know, the type of Bohrok they become just depends on their programming, but I really like your theory nonetheless.

Hey guys, this may seem a bit random, but I found a handful of Greg quotes in the forum archives that, if nothing else, may at least make for some fun speculation. 5) Basically, when I find the right time and place to work him in. It is most likely going to be someplace in Powers That Be. 1) Who defines evil? All we know is that whatever he is planning to do, Orde objects to it and wants it stopped. But to the GB, it might not be "evil" at all. 1) I do consider him to be one, which is why he isn't the Great Being.Just some food for thought.

It just so happens that I dug up an old Greg quote on the subject while I was looking through the archives: 1) I consider the movie to be more canon, because the book is based on an earlier version of the movie script than what was filmed.

Your explanation about the Suvas makes a lot of sense, and I'll take that last bit as a compliment, but you'd better brace yourself, because I think it just got a bit more messy. I was looking through the old Official Greg Quotes thread just now and I found an old quote I got from Greg: 6) NoAlso, there was another quote in which Greg said he wasn't even sure the Nuva Cube could be moved from the Nest, so... I've got no clue anymore.I might just have to disregard the above from my personal headcanon. I kinda like your version of my theory best.

Hmm...good point... Oh, heck, that's awesome! I really like that idea. I agree, the first part is unnecessary.So you're saying that the Toa Nuva are kinda like a subspecies of Toa? Ahh, yes, I see. And I think you're probably right. The fact that the Mata underwent a change is reason enough to create a failsafe; their change would be unpredictable. Yes, it does make sense. I actually really prefer this "refined" theory. True; like I said, I've pretty firmly changed my mind about the "evolving Seal" idea. I'm still not sure why the distance thing didn't occur to me; it's a much simpler explanation. Yeah, I doubt Artakha designed it as a test. But how aware would you say he was in regards to the Toa's encounter with the Bahrag? He teleported the Cube to their exact location; do you think he was watching it telepathically, or maybe he had some means of detecting the Toa's transformation, or something else?

Yes, I'm pretty sure he meant the Nuva themselves. I mean, Artakha made the Symbols/Cube first-hand, so he knows they can exist. :PI suppose a better way to put it would be that Artakha knew the Symbols/Cube had the potential to be relevant. I imagine Mata Nui would have had some trouble awakening, then, if the island hadn't been cleared (though as you said, that was supposed to happen on-schedule and the only reason the Bahrag ended up caged in the first place is because Teridax woke them up prematurely, so when you think about it, the Bahrag Seal wasn't even supposed to exist and the Toa Mata probably would have transformed via some other method), even though on a tangential note, I really don't see how breaking through the island would be any sort of obstacle for Mata Nui, cleansed or otherwise...I mean, he's gigantic...but I forgive that bit because of Bionicle physics. :)Anyway, I suppose you're right about Roodaka. Although thinking back on it, now I'm not even sure how I feel about the "evolving" Toa Seal bit. I believe it was non-elemental but you have a point. I may go back and revise some bits and pieces of this idea, because now that I think about it, I'm not sure there's enough to back up the "evolving Seal" part. It's actually the more presumptuous part of this theory. No, but that is a good alternative to this theory. I'm not sure where I read it, I just know that it's been ingrained in my head for a while. I'll try and find the source. Protodermis probably made up a large quantity of the "materials," but I assume that the Toa Mata's spirits and whatever it is the people in the MU use to imbue something with Elemental Power and also Toa Power were provided as well. Cyberclay theory? I'm unfamiliar; I'll have to look into that. I suppose he could do that, although he does have the Mask of Creation which can save a lot of time that would otherwise be spent on trial and error. I considered something similar to that at first, but I couldn't really think of a way to rationalize the idea that all of the Mata, all of the Hagah, all of the Inika and so on are inherently different from one another as well as other Toa. Though I guess I could have simply suggested that certain Toa are programmed to be a part of a certain team, while others are programmed to be solo, OR I could have theorized that Toa Power is different between each Toa; however, each of the Metru's Toa Power came from Lhikan, the Inika's from the Red Star(?), the Mata's (presumably) from Artakha and so on, thus explaining why one Seal would depend on which Team they were from. Yeah, definitely gonna do a 2.0 of this theory when I have more time on my hands. As I said, that's a great alternative, though I'm not surprised I didn't think of it. Sorry for the confusion, I was worried that my throwing around terms like "Mata Seal" and "Nuva Seal" would get a little crisscrossed.At the time I was saying that the Mata Seal had, in fact, evolved into a Nuva Seal, but after re-reading my theory I realize that this particular tenet is unnecessary--the only things that are integral to this theory are the ideas that the specific Toa who create a Seal are the only ones that can break it, that a Toa's Elemental powers can only be a part of one Seal at a time, and that the Nuva Cube is intended as a contingency device to be used should one or more of the Nuva be unable to contribute to the creation/destruction of a Seal. This was more or less intended to resolve a hypothetical scenario, that being "what happens if the Toa Nuva have two active Toa Seals and then someone places the Symbols onto the Cube; does only one Seal break or do both?" Personally, I like the idea of a One Seal Limit because I think of it like this:1) Artakha creates the Symbols in order to serve as storage space for the Nuva's enhanced Elemental Powers should the turn into Toa Nuva.2) Knowing that Toa also have the ability to create a Toa Seal, Artakha creates one Nuva Cube that will correspond to whatever Nuva-created Seal is active at a given moment (assuming that there can only be one Seal at a time).3) When Artakha senses that the Toa Mata have transformed into the Toa Nuva, he teleports the Symbols and the Cube to the Nuva's location (or, alternatively, he keyed the Symbols/Cube in to the Mata's Elemental Powers and gave the objects the ability to detect when the Toa had transformed, which would mean that the objects had become relevant. One could even suggest that since the Toa Nuva may not have been destined to transform in conjunction with their creation of a Toa Seal, then the Cube wouldn't have teleported along with the Symbols in such a scenario because it wasn't relevant yet. But that's another theory for another day, I guess. ) Thank you, although now I kinda like your idea better anyways. However, I suppose that the two failsafe ideas aren't mutually-exclusive; Artakha may very well have built the Cube just in case the Nuva's power wouldn't work AND just in case one of them happened to be missing. That would help explain it, but I think I've pretty thoroughly abandoned the "evolving Seal" idea by now. Oh well. Wow, awesome! Now I can have unlimited access to Nongu, whatever that means.

I figure that if it were just the same Elements from any Toa, then Roodaka wouldn't have had to throw herself in front of a Rhotuka in order to free Teridax; she could have just found another Fire Toa. The Seals in this theory require the exact same Toa who formed them, so if that's not canon, then we'll just assume that it's another specification in order to facilitate the theory.As for the Nuva's Elemental Control, you have a fair point. However, we know that Tahu, in his current state as a Toa Mata, cannot form a Kaita with the other Toa Nuva, which gives us some evidence to suggest that there are some issues in regards to how the mechanics of Toa Nuva compare to those of regular Toa. Just like how Kanohi Nuva cannot be used by anyone other than the Nuva. Like I said, it's a bit of a stretch.

Well hopefully Greg can return to writing them one day. I'm not in a rush about it, though. :)I guess it's good for me that spoilers never really affect my enjoyment of a story so even with these updates, I'll still be able to enjoy any potential chapters. On it. :PAnd this is off-topic, but speaking of chapters, bonesiii, do you or anyone else from the BZP staff have a record of the ATYU 2 stories? I recall reading that those were canon, and even if it's not from Greg, I'd still like to see what got added. Although they're not mentioned anywhere on BS01; was the canonicity of the stories negated or something?

Pohatu would only loose his power if his symbol were in the possession of somebody who opposes the Toa. If it's an ally, like one of the other Toa Nuva (who I assume would be handling the Symbol in an emergency instance like that), then Pohatu would still be able to access his Elemental Power. :)As for your second point, well, if we believe that the Cube is inherently tied to the Toa Seal, then by putting one Nuva Symbol onto the Cube, you're would still be exposing it to one of its constituent Elements. As such, I would say that yes, you could use both Symbols and Elements.

...that started off as an attempt to unequivocally define the purpose of the Nuva Cube, before widening in scope to become a theory about how Mata Nui determines a being's destiny, which then morphed back into the Nuva Cube thing, before whittling down into this.Anyway.My "theory" is targeted at a problem that I see with the nature of the Nuva Cube. First, some facts:1) The Nuva Cube and the Nuva Symbols were crafted by Artakha who, according to Greg, created said objects because he "knew they had the potential to exist." (And no, I don't have the quote on hand, but I can retrieve it if anyone wishes.)2) The Nuva Cube acted as a sort of "lock" in relation to the Toa Seal around the Bahrag. However, it was not absolutely necessary in order to free the Bahrag, as the Toa Nuva broke the Seal with just their Elemental Powers prior to the Karda Nui arc.3) Toa Seals can only be broken by exposing them to the same six Elemental Powers that created them. Presumably, this is very specific in that the Elements involved must stem from the same exact Toa that created the Seal.4) Toa Seals seem to retain the exact properties of their creators' own Elemental Powers. BS01 confirms that had the Toa Inika created a Toa Seal, it would have been laced with electricity just like their Elemental Powers.5) The Seal around the Bahrag was created while the Toa Nuva were still Toa Mata.Now, the problem that I see with the Nuva Cube is that it was "keyed in" to the Seal around the Bahrag. However, we do not know how the Nuva Cube would react if the Toa Nuva were to create another Toa Seal either while the Bahrag Seal still existed or after that Bahrag Seal had already been broken. Would it work just as well with the other Seal? Or is the Nuva Cube connected exclusively to the Bahrag Seal?Better yet, why is the Cube connected to the Bahrag Seal, if the Nuva weren't even Nuva when they made it?Well, first, let's settle a few quick matters by making a couple of educated guesses.1) In order for my theory to work, we must assume that Artakha created the Nuva Cube and the Nuva Symbols using materials provided by the Great Beings. Artakha created the Mata themselves using GB-provided materials, so this wouldn't be too much of a stretch in the first place. However, Greg stated that Artakha "knew the Nuva had the potential to exist." This, to me, suggests that Artakha had some knowledge of the Toa Mata's destiny to transform. This is slightly more of a stretch, but seeing as how the GBs provided Artakha with the materials to create the Mata, it would make sense for them to have provided some sort of instructions that may have detailed the Mata's eventual transformation--surely the Great Beings, of all people, would have such information.2) As a second prerequisite for my theory, we must also assume that the nature of the Nuva's Toa Seal corresponded to their Elemental Powers, in the same way that the hypothetical Inika Seal would have been electrified. What this means is that, since the Bahrag Seal was created by the Mata, it too transformed when the Mata became the Nuva. And what that suggests is that it became a stronger-than-average Toa Seal that would only respond to the augmented Elemental Powers of the Toa Nuva. Now, this may seem a bit unnecessary at first glance, but thinking about it, it does make some sense. Technically speaking, the Elemental Powers of the Toa Mata are not the same as those of the Toa Nuva. Ergo, the Mata Seal would likely be unaffected by the Elemental Powers of the Nuva.Now, as for my actual theory. I propose that the Elemental Power any Toa who has engaged in the creation of a Toa Seal can only be a component of one Toa Seal at a time. In order to create a second Seal, the first one must be broken. This prevents two types of overlapping scenarios:1) Two Nuva Seals existing simultaneously (which relieves the issue of which Seal the Cube is keyed into), and2) A Toa Nuva partaking in the creation of two separate Seals; i.e. Gali Nuva seals the Bahrag with the Nuva and, say, a Skakdi with the Toa Mahri (which is supported by the idea that the Elements involved are very specific and also prevents the Cube from having to correspond to two Seals at once).Now, as for the Nuva Cube's actual purpose? Well, I believe that Artakha simply created it as a failsafe (you know those Great Beings and their unparalleled love for "failsafes"), should the Toa Nuva be unavailable to break a Seal themselves. This would also enable them to still break a Seal in the event that one or more of their number is missing.So, thoughts?

I myself entertained that idea at first. I was thinking something along the lines of the Kestora reprocessing the deceased being's consciousness into a new one before transplanting it into a new body and sending them back down to the MU, but that theory soon came into conflict with the fact that Mavrah has clearly been revived and yet still retains his former identity.

Darn. Well, I guess I'll just maintain my spirit-only assumption then, unless/until new information comes out on the matter. Woah, nice catch...and thinking about it, I would have loved to have seen that; I always thought Nikila was cool and I would have definitely enjoyed a little resolution plot between her and Lesovikk. :biggrin:And judging by this old quote that I happened upon while sifting through the archives, it seems that we would, in fact, have learned how Jaller's resurrection correlated to the Red Star:

Well, I managed to locate the poll, and as it turns out it was actually the Mask of Healing that got the most votes to be canonized as Naho's mask. However, I couldn't find any word on whether or not it was actually inducted into the canon.

Just for clarification; it's the person's spirit that gets transported to the Red Star, correct? Not their body? Or is it body and spirit? I've been picturing the Kestora transplanting the spirit into a new body, so I'm assuming that it's spirit-only.

Ah, okay. I just remember there was a BSS poll on here about Naho's mask and, although I'm not certain how it turned out, I was pretty sure that the Kakama had been confirmed as hers. And as for the gate, well, I guess I've had the wrong idea on that for a while now.

"Strong Yes" to the first two options and a regular "Yes" to the third. I'm quite happy with the third revelation, although personally I expected something a little more...abstract.

^ Wait, wasn't it canonized that Naho wore the Kakama?Anyway, is the gate from Mangaia to Metru Nui not a Sea Gate? I always thought it was and that Sea Gates looked like that gate did in MoL. Of course, it's been many years since I even saw MoL, so I'm probably mis-remembering.

I said "pool," but as it turns out, I was indeed referring to the tubes. :PI actually wasn't aware that there were two separate EP sources. I could've sworn it was confirmed that Krana were created using some other unidentified liquid.EDIT: After checking BS01, I guess they do use EP to create Krana. Still, I meant the tubes.

Hi, I was hoping somebody here may be able to answer a few of my questions. I'm working on a theory involving things such as Energized Protodermis, the Nuva Symbols, and a few other things, so I just want to make sure I have my facts straight beforehand. With that said, here's what I need to know:1) Was there ever any explicit reason for the pool of Energized Protodermis in the Bahrag's chamber?2) How long before the Toa Mata transformed did Artakha construct the Nuva Symbols/Nuva Cube? 3) What are the Bohrok nests be in relation to Mata Nui's anatomy? (For example, Karda Nui is supposedly his "heart"; this answer doesn't necessarily need to be from any canon source, I'm just looking for a good estimation.)4) Where is the Nuva Cube now? I remember reading somewhere (a while back) that it was relocated to Spherus Magna, but I can't remember how "official" that answer was.One more question that isn't related to my fact-checking:5) The Toa Metru created the Toa Stones that would summon the Toa Mata's canisters, right? Well, how did they create them with the purpose of summoning the canisters if they had never encountered the Toa Mata before? By that time, the canisters had either been sealed in the Codrex or drifting about on Aqua Magna, so how did the Toa Mata's canisters know to lock onto those particular Stones?Thanks in advance for anybody who can answer.

Possibly, but the Seal was created before the Mata were transformed, and I think that was the point when Artakha teleported the Symbols and the Cube onto Mata Nui. Now, I suppose the Seal could have transformed "with" the Toa, but later on, the Toa Nuva broke the Seal around the Bahrag with just their elemental powers. The Cube wasn't even mentioned. So I somewhat doubt that the Seal needed something stronger to be broken.Actually, I was just looking into an old thread on the matter a few minutes ago in which one poster suggested that the Cube would have acted as a sort of "proxy" had the Kal placed the symbols onto it and as such would have drawn power from the Symbols and fired a beam of energy at the Seal in order to break it. That, to me, suggests that the Cube is less like a "lock" and more like a "key," to be used in the absence of the Toa Nuva (which would explain why the Nuva didn't use the Symbols/Cube when they freed the Bahrag later on).This topic has inspired me to construct my own theory in relation to the Cube, which I should be posting sometime soon.

There's an official topic for this located here: http://www.bzpower.c...?showtopic=6878But to answer your question, all of the Makuta except for Teridax (who has been confirmed dead) and maybe Krika and Icarax (since they died in particularly unusual ways) could potentially return.