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And theres nothing wrong with that but we can't realistically predict anything beyond the spirit of the idea after about 30 years give or take.

I mean even broader then that but I don't understand what you're disagreeing with. I'm saying we celebrate anyone who gets even the basic idea of what we're doing right.For example people say this, http://3.bp.blogspot...or+the+road.jpg (post cards from the year 2000, 1911) predicted drive ins and fast food.The basic, basic concept is there but everything else is off.

I'm saying I don't think the singularity will ever happen because its impractical. We aren't on some kind of run away train (Okay maybe a little) engineers still have to design and build and maintain everything.I'm not self educated through the internet, I'm self educated using text books and actual academic journals (I liked you to some of my favorites) PLUS my very minor university education so far. I never claimed to be a professional I dsaid to know what I know about a very few subjects close to my heart.

Thats the other thing. People are very very good at guessing the future with broad strokes but when it comes down to practical details its almost always so laughable that anyone who got anywhere close to right is held up as prophet.

While the same thing is going to happen to the singularity that happened to the flying car. A flying car is every single bit possible. We can even build one that can have vertical take off. The problem is it's dangerous, impractical, expensive, and people enjoy their ground cars and theres no real need for flying ones.Computers are going to improve to incredible speeds and be able to do amazing things but I think people will get to a point sooner or later and say "Do we really need this?"Also if that was a knock at my education I'm currently in university.

Scientific, self educated through internet/published journals, text books, and small amounts of university, No degree yet but I did go to this training thing for veterinarian services.I have experience building some electric devices but nothing impressive. As far as medical experience, several amateur surgeries preformed on myself.I never said humans were ready for major genetic modifications, I said it was currently possible and it was the future and some amazing stuff is going on. I apologize for the miscommunication.

Yes you did.I want to see so many things, probably good holograms or fashionable implants the most.

I never said they melted the entire heart.I am not a philosopher and I use biological definitions.I know what I'm talking about and you should apologize for calling me a cool dude.

I tried to read some of them, but they're so thick with jargon that I (who barely passed chemistry) cannot understand what they are trying to say. I work more with general concepts than specifics.I'm also going to call shenanigans on "washing a heart clean of cells." A heart is cells.That being said, I am aware that we can grow organs, and that does play a part in my story (specifically, reviving cryonics patients).I also cling very tightly to ethics, because to abandon ethics is to become no better than an animal. We have laws governing war, of all things. Show me one animal that has the Geneva Conventions. Don't yell at me if you don't understand them thenhttp://www.ibtimes.com/articles/130069/20110404/heart-live-human-laboratory-minnesota-stem-cell.htm^ old BTW, the heart is beating and I believe they want to transfer a lab grown heart into someone soonHumans are animals like any other, we just have the best toys. It is in our nature to produce agreements and laws but this does not change the fact that humans are living creatures capable of self locomotion that need to kill and eat to survive.Edit; replaced with more appropriate link.

They took a heart from a sheep, washed it clean of cells, injected it with human cells, and then made it beat. You're telling me they did that without any knowledge of genetics? How'd they get that goat to make spider silk? how do you engineer a mouse to fit your steroid or to prevent aging without genetics?More likely then not the cereal you ate today or the rice you had with dinner is the product of genetic modification.

Impugning our intelligence is passive-agressive. Saying that I don't think we'll be able to achieve any significant amount of gen-augs for a few decades yet and that I am here to get hard science info for my writing is not.I personally think that ethics is something rather important to the human condition--there are a lot of horrible things that would not have been done if the people involved had applied ethics. I cite the Little Albert and Stanford Prison experiments as the most utterly mild of these ethical violations.I am perfectly aware that gene therapy currently exists. That being said, changing genes =/= ultra-humans. Genetics are not Lego Bricks or a blueprint. They are a recipe. You didn't read any of the journals I linked did you? They made goats that spin spider silk, mice five times stronger then the average mouse, we can grow a human heart from an animal heart.These are all amazing and significant.Also you don't seem to understand the amazing things we learned from the studies you call horrible. Sometimes the end does justify the mean but thats not to say that ethics are useless. They have their place but if the possible gain outweighs the possible risk or harm then shoot for the moon.

While that was a poor choice of words on my part. Ethics prevents us from using these augmentations on ourselves. The supermice experiment as mentioned in the journal have much potential for abuse and required eugenics to activate the genes needed for the steroid to work for example.Side note; realized I made it confusing. The things after I mentioned "being held back by ethics" are being used and require genetic engineering.

I think I'll play to use it like an adress book and add people I want to keep in contact with.

I never really had this problem. I think I got tired of buying new lego sets before I got "too old for it"

Less strick rules, I just gave them a glance over and they seem pretty stern.

The fact that my post in completely off topic don't count.

Completely Off Topic.

Sneaky Sneaky Hapori!

Congrats all!

Possibly a successful blog.

So far not many, got around to registering. Next goal is to get full membership I guess.

http://www.genome.gov/10004767http://cardiovascres.oxfordjournals.org/content/51/4/773.fullhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_therapyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_enhancementhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11466403http://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/science_nation/spidersilk.jspEducate yourselves. I seriously found all these mind blowing things in five minutes the only thing holding us back is ethics. We can shoot skin out of a printer on to burn victimes, we can grow limbs and bladders and hearts and throats. We're living in the future. Lloyd: the White Wolf, you can stop being insulting condescending and passive agressive now.

Genetic augmentation is already happening, you guys need to keep up. Also Lloyd: the White Wolf you should use the writers topic if you want help with your story.

Regardless of my self surgery thoughts on trans humanism and h+? I feel that upgrades will be both biological and mechanical but no ones going to get a cell phone put in their head. What they may get is an inbody generator that uses the salt in your bodily fluids to produce electricity or a designer liver that was grown in a lab from their own sells but can process as much toxins as one can consume or even tiny clusters of metal and chemicals injected into the blood that release medication when exposed to radiation. We can improve ourselves far past anything we can imagine and the future will be amazing.

Thats sort of cool I guess.