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out of curiosity what does a man with a gun have to do with patriotism
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irrelevant. i asked you not whether you abhor your country for its violent past, which would no doubt be silly, i asked you how violence made you love your country more. men with guns have nothing to do with liberty or justice. they can be defenders of liberty or justice, but not by virtue of being men with guns. they can be defenders of liberty and justice by virtue of being defenders of liberty and justice. mind you, this is not exclusive of having a gun, but neither is it synonymous.
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