Turaga of Force

Not quite ebay and I have no idea if this site is even legitimate, but here is a really obscure Japanese Rahkshi shirt I came across https://www.reversible.com/user/letto/listings/other-designers-vintage---vintage-03-bionicle-moc-rahkshi-lego-shirt-nice-design-805053936

It has been my understanding that there was a pretty limited release (Scandinavia, I suppose) in December 2000, and that everywhere else came a while later. North America was summer 2001, there is no uncertainty there, but Wikipedia says that all of Europe, Asia, and Australia were December 2000. I thought it was just a much smaller area (Scandinavia) that was December 2000, with the rest of Europe being early 2001 and Asia/Australia being sometime in 2001. Anyone know any more about this?

Interesting, thanks! He said Kanohi "box" but I assume it was actually an 8530 (bag) rather than 8525 (box). If it was an 8525 that would be even more weird and interesting.

Yeah I was aware of most of that. Just wasn't sure if the trans blue Ruru were known to exist in code outside version. I'll check out the vid, thanks Edit: That is your video and your Nui Rama? How did you get them? The first I heard of the white Huna was of it (and brown Komau) being from a non-Lego variety pack. This is the first I ever heard if it coming in mask packs. Are you sure you remember right and aren't getting it mixed up with brown Komau? Do you remember any other details or know who claimed to find it in a mask pack? Where did you hear about the winch toys thing? Is that the same as that non-Lego variety pack with the calendar? Do you know any other details and/or remember a source for that info? Is "winch toys" a brand? I cant find any info on it. Edit: Oh I found the variety pack pic you posted in the other thread. Where did you find that pic?

I am curious to know more about it in general. Was it produced in both prototype and non prototype? Out of curiosity, how do you know this? The ebay link? Someone (Emily if I recall correct) posted it in another thread. Good info. On the gold Kanohi, while there could be some variation from batch to batch, I have never seen or heard of any of the other 5 being anywhere near as light or translucent as the translucent Kaukau variant. If you or anyone else has pics or info suggesting any of the other 5 do exist with that much translucency, I would be interested in seeing pics. The fact that green, red, blue, light blue, and yellow Kaukau exist with bubble cheeks and the theory that it is from an early or prototype mold lends evidence to the theory that yellow and light blue Kaukau were intended for Kopaka and Pohatu, hence orange and clear not being produced as early so no bubble cheek versions. It will be interesting to see if Onua's Kaukau ever surfaces in the bubble cheeks version.

Link doesnt work for me Edit: Fixed link https://www.toysperiod.com/img/cache/71/800x600/d4e4o5g414p4n5x5m444x2u2a4y2q2w214i4w5d41433v234t20314x2.jpg I was able to find the thumbnails of the copper Komau comparison pics in an internet archive: https://archived.moe/files/toy/thumb/1597/41/1597412835838s.jpg https://archived.moe/files/toy/thumb/1597/41/1597413346347s.jpg Only the thumbnails are saved in that archive, but I am pretty sure I have the full resolutions of these pics saved somewhere offline, I will post them when I find them. They are not my pics, not my masks. As for the gold Kaukau, there are definitely two very distinct versions. I saw a picture of maybe 30 or so gold Kaukau together (I think it was Mask Collector's pic maybe? don't remember for sure) and it is very clearcut whether a given Kaukau was the opaque or translucent version. And considering it was only the Kaukau (which so happens to be the one that actually makes sense to be translucent), it would be a pretty weird coincidence if the Kaukau specifically was just sometimes more translucent due to unintentional batch variations. So I am pretty confident that the Kaukau was intentionally made in a more translucent version. Yellow Huna: Are you sure fifi had one? I know he had a yellow Ruru and white Huna but this is the first I have heard of him having a yellow Huna. I thought the yellow Huna was just the one from many years ago (name was KayTee or something like that? it wasn't fifi. Turaga Onewa linked gallery above and I believe gallery is also linked in OP) and then that bunch of 10 or 11 that showed up a few years ago. (the number 11 is getting thrown around and I previously said 11 but I think it was actually just 10, and the number 11 comes from that 10 + the one from long ago) As long as we're discussing all this: Does anyone know any more about white Huna origins? I am well aware of the variety pack that included white Huna and brown Komau, but has there been any other known source of the white Huna? (besides bulk lots of unknown origin) Edit: More definitive info on yellow Ruru https://web.archive.org/web/20031207103845/http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3158595926

The red Huna you refer to is dark red, and yes that one exists. The one I am unsure of is regular red Huna. As for yellow Huna, the one in my BrickShelf was uploaded in 2006 or 2007, whereas the guy with 11 turned up within the last few years so it is highly unlikely to be one of those 11 but I am curious if it is the prototype mold like the 11 or if it is the final mold. What do you mean by "blue and teal jaw pieces"?

OP post mentions trans blue Ruru as prototypes. Is this a typo, since trans blue Ruru are included in Nui-Rama, or is it referring to the prototype Ruru mold (code outside) existing in trans blue? A few things to add: It is widely believed that the copper Huna's continent of origin can be determined by whether it is opaque or translucent, but this is likely false, and no one talks about the opaque or translucent Komau variants. I am 100% sure that the Komau also exists in both opaque and translucent copper, as someone who owns both versions of the copper Komau showed me a side by side picture. Since the Komau was only available in Europe and came in both types of copper, it is reasonable to assume that the Huna also came in both opaque and translucent in Europe, but that is just an assumption. I will see if I can find and post the Komau pic. OP also mentions a yellow Ruru with inside code surfacing recently, as if it is newly discovered. This is nothing new, it has been known for probably around 20 years that the yellow Ruru comes in both the code outside and code inside versions. If I recall correctly - and I may be mistaken here - one version was from prototype Sand Tarakava and other was supposedly from prototype Manas, to the best of my memory. I believe that back in the day there were three yellow Ruru known to exist, I don't remember if it was two code inside and one code outside or the other way around, but I assume it was 2 of the Manas version and 1 of the Sand Tarakava version. Also, recently (last year I believe) Christian Faber posted a video showing a bunch of prototypes from ~2000 on his Youtube. This video included a Tohunga with a yellow Ruru. At this point it seems that there were probably a lot more yellow Ruru in existence than the originally known 3, with the one recently shown by Christian and the one recently posted by Owl. Legoland brick built Hau: I recently saw a mention somewhere (maybe this thread?) wondering about these. I believe the poster was wondering if they indeed exist in the three colors. I have seen a picture of all three colors (green, red, blue) in sealed bags so they definitely do exist, I'll see if I can find and post the pic at some point. Tanoka in OP post says it was given out at Legoland. Not sure if that is true or not but what I do know is that a friend of mine got Tanoka in pick a brick at Legoland Billund. I assume the 'given out' is mistaken info and they were only in pick a brick but that is just a guess. Gold Kaukau comes in regular opaque gold and translucent gold, both were found in 2002 Krana packs. I dont think this is mentioned in the OP post. Presumably Lego changed their mind part way through production. Neither version is too rare but opaque is more common than translucent. Guessing translucent is 15-30 dollars value. Not sure if this applies to silver too or just gold but another user did post a slightly translucent silver Kaukau in this thread. Could just be an off batch, or an intentional change as was made with the gold Kaukau. If anyone happens to have a translucent silver Kaukau they would be willing to part with please PM me. I have a gallery of prototypes on my BrickShelf. None of the pics are mine and I cannot guarantee any are genuine but they do show that the code-inside yellow Ruru was known in 2006 (date I put pic up), yellow Huna was also known back then even though many people think it first surfaced recently. Also are blue Rau, orange Hau, red Huna but the pics are low quality, especially the blue Rau, so they could be painted masks or even computer edits, but I am mentioning them just in case they are real. https://brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=200404&n=0 Given how long ago this was, I do not remember where I found most of the pics. Again, none of the pics in that folder are mine. Maybe it wasn't ideal of me to upload other people's pics without credit or permission but I was a kid at the time and thought nothing of it, and now I think the gallery is far too valuable to the community to take it down. I also have a little info on misprints and Kaukau variants here, but I think the Kaukau bubble cheeks info is wrong (that it came in more than just trans light blue): https://brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=582553 As for the "are they really misprints" discussion that has taken place: My assumption and understanding is there was miscommunication between the story or design team and the production team, leading the production team to believe the Ruru and Matatu were to be produced in Toa colors rather than Turaga colors, as evidenced by the old BZP article (screenshot in my BrickShelf misprints folder). Kaukau was probably a separate reason - change of mind on Kopaka and Pohatu colors but that is just a guess, unlike the Ruru/Matatu theory that is backed up by a Lego source (as per the BZP article). Edit: Upon looking at my gallery again and seeing that the blue Rau, orange Hau, and red Huna are low res .gifs, I assume they are computer edits/fakes, so I would be inclined to assume those masks do not exist. Again, I don't remember where I found the pics, but at the time I uploaded them, it was with the (likely naive) understanding that they were or may be real. Edit again: Those 3 pictures (red Huna, orange Hau, blue Rau) are all on BrickLink. Doesn't necessarily mean they are real. Who knows.

From what I recall, the dark red Komau was a knockoff from some Asian company. I believe the dark red Huna and dark blue Matatu are genuine Lego items.

Lego did not advertise the 73 or 88 numbers, those are numbers I provided. Lego only provided the 72 number, as well as the "plus possible mystery masks" phrase (I believe that is the exact wording they use, but my memory may be wrong there). Also, the 88 number considers the light blue Kaukau to be a single mask. If we count the bubble and non-bubble versions as two distinct masks, then that bumps the number up to 89. (72+infected Hau+14+light blue Kaukau variant+brown Komau) Regarding the "variety pack", a BZPower member's friend acquired a white Huna and brown Komau and showed said BZPower member. Said BZPower member then begged said friend to go and buy him one of these "variety packs" too, which said friend did. All I know is that the "variety pack" consisted of non-Lego items, with the brown Komau and white Huna being the only Lego items included, and that the pack also included a calendar (not a Lego calendar, to my understanding). I believe these were sold in Europe. Someone also claimed that a BZPower member got multiple of these packs and distributed (traded? sold? gave away?) the masks to BZP members, but I am inclined to believe that is misinformation. I am positive the brown Komau came in mask packs because a good friend of mine got two that way (the brown Komau in the pic I linked is his). I don't recall him specifying which mask packs, but I am 99% sure it was 8530s because he is Danish (hence 8530 not 8525) and it would stand to reason they came in the 2001 packs as opposed to 2002/2003 packs. As for the red Huna, I believe Mask Collector has one, and I believe he said it was from a Nuhrii prototype, but my memory may be wrong there. I think it's dark red, not standard red. There's also a dark blue noble Matatu.

Are you only basing this on the number found in the games, or was there some source that specifically said that the original intent was 12 Tohunga per Koro? Greg told me that there were 1000 Matoran on Mata Nui (source). I understand this was later so I don't mean to imply that it contradicts your claim that the original plan was 12 Tohunga per Koro. However, Greg did say that when Bionicle started, he was told 1000 (source), implying that was the plan at the very beginning.

Source? I would be very highly interested in seeing more about this. They aren't "one offs", there's a handful of white Huna and brown Komau out there. It's interesting you post this thread now because I was very recently wondering a similar thing. Here are some things I know: -Lego advertised the mask packs as containing 72 masks plus possible "mystery masks". 8525s (US packs) contained 73 total masks (72 + infected Hau). 8530s (Europe packs) contained 88 masks (72 + infected Hau + 14 misprints + brown Komau). -A "variety pack", containing mostly non-Lego items, included a brown Komau and a white Huna. -There is a rumor that a white Huna was found in bushes at Legoland Billund. No idea if this is true. -While brown Komau were very rarely found in 8530s, white Huna have never been reported to have been found in 8530s, and are presumably more rare than brown Komau. -Bionicle was released about half a year earlier in Europe than in the US. -Kanohi displays at Legoland Windsor and Legoland California had misprints displayed. -Bionicle.com listed the 14 misprints on the Kanohi page. -Light blue Kaukau comes in a variant with bubbles visible in the cheeks, apparently a prototype mold. From what I have been told, both the bubble and non-bubble version were available in 8530s, and supposedly only the light blue Kaukau came in the bubble version. -Someone asked Greg about a personal theory that there were two of each noble Kanohi per village, one full set for the Toa and one full set for the Turaga. Greg said that it wasn't definitively established, so that could theoretically be the case. However, this was a fan theory, and not something the story team had decided on. Greg gave no indication that there had ever been a plan for this. -Greg said that it is his view that noble Kanohi take on Toa colors rather than Turaga colors when worn by Toa. -Everything Greg has said has implied that there was never any intent for Toa-colored noble Kanohi to be produced. Here are some theories that I have: -Since the Kanohi displays feature ONLY misprint Matatu and Ruru, besides the light gray Matatu, it seems that Lego may have accidentally produced the Matatu and Ruru in the Toa colors INSTEAD OF the Turaga colors at first (the light gray is explained by the Nuju set). This was done because of a miscommunication between the Bionicle story team and the production team over what colors the Matatu and Ruru were supposed to come in. They appeared only in 8530s because the mistake had been corrected by the time 8525s went into production half a year later. The presence of the misprints at Legoland California is because the Kanohi display was put together in Europe, or at least the Kanohi set was shipped from Europe. -Light blue Kaukau may have been the original plan for Kopaka's Kaukau. Not sure on yellow, maybe Pohatu? -The advertisement of 'mystery masks' in 8525s/8530s could possibly refer to misprints (either meaning the misprints were made on purpose as mystery masks, or the 'mystery mask' marketing was come up with as a way to take advantage of the production mistake), but I think more likely it just refers to the infected Hau. Relevant pictures: Legoland California Kanohi display Legoland Windsor Kanohi display Article on misprints Information on light blue Kaukau variant Light blue Kaukau variant hi res pic My friend's brown Komau on my Pohatu (the silver Mahiki is custom)

Want: Red Matatu WMKK, VMKK, GPKK, SSKK Brown Komau, white Huna, yellow Ruru TOK MEK Protodermic Hau Nuva and Kakama Nuva Sealed copper set Scavenger hunt Mata Nui map and foil Lewa card deck from the TNGM scavenger hunt at LEGOLAND in 2001 Most of my BIONICLE stuff is at my parents' house so I can't offer much for trade right now, just money, but I will have many/most 2004-2008 sets (as well as various other BIONICLE items) available for trade soon, as I am mostly just interested in keeping/expanding my 2001-2003 collection. I also have an extra brown Matatu and brown Ruru. I live in the US. You send first unless I have reason to trust you. My trading references can be viewed here.

This listing contains a lot.

It's not really a matter of the computer, but a matter of the operating system and, if playing in browser, the browser. You can put old software (including an old operating system) on a new computer.

Cool, thanks for the update

Enjoy :)

Thanks Torsti, very cool! where did you get those prototypes? I want some Do you know how to read? He very clearly told us exactly where he got them.

TNGMs were originally available at Legoland California in a scavenger hunt. Back then they were worth about $20 each, and I presume that anyone who still has the original scavenger hunt sheet with it could be more than the current value. However, Lego had produced way too many so they sold them at Legoland California in bulk. People could fill up a bag of about 200 masks and it cost $25, or $20 for Legoland pass holders. BZP former staff member mfuss903 had 5 bags (1,000 TNGMs), and I assume that is also why some BL sellers have so many. They currently go for $2 each.

I'll hold the CD for you. The posters are already pending, I have a few duplicates but they're not in very good condition. I'll include the duplicates free if you want them despite the bad condition.

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After shipping and packaging that would be less than $3 total, so no thank you.

I believe the comics are Danish, that's what an online translater says and I got them from someone in Denmark. Here is a scan of the inside cover of the first comic. Shipping will most likely be $6.55 to the UK, so how about $15 shipped for all 8 comics (BrickMaster and Danish), or $12 shipped for just the BrickMaster comics?

I don't know what language they are in, I just know that they are European. Danish maybe? This is the four I still have. I also still have English 24-27 with BrickMaster covers.

It's hard to see the difference without having it next to a standard gold Vahi. It's not a different official Lego color, I think the batch just didn't have enough dye or something like that. It is noticably lighter next to a standard gold Vahi though. Pic Second pic Third pic