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So they've finally found what might actually be the higgs boson. If it is, it will be one of the greatest scientific discoveries of not only our time, but all time.I hope for the sake of science, and the reputation of CERN, that they actually did find it. Because if they did, that would be awesome.Also, stephen hawking owes someone $100We can discuss our opinions and stuff in this topic.

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The Higgs Boson is a particle which we know exists, since we have mathematical proof; they're just looking for physical proof, and this is roughly the fifth time CERN has been thought to have found it.

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Here's hoping they actually did find it this time. Would be wonderful.

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"a particle which we know exists, since we have mathematical proof"No. It's a particle which is required to exist according to a widely-accepted mathematical model of the universe. A model doesn't prove anything, it just seeks to explain it.If the Higgs Boson exists, it is only observable at high energy levels. It is - if it exists - the main indicator of the existence of the Higgs Field, which is hypothesized to be the thing that gives everything mass.

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Its other name was only given because the name a certain physicist wanted to give it couldn't be published.But no, I rather think you're wrong. People freaked out over neutrinos, and their name isn't anything special.

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From what I understand, put into extremely simplified terms the Higgs Boson would be like if you had a problem like, erm, 5 + x = 10, if x was the Higgs and 10 was our idea of the universe. Horribly simplified, but methinks it gets the point across.I doubt it'd be the greatest discovery of all time; it'd be very cool, yes, and very important, but the greatest discovery of the last ten millennium? I'm not seeing how the Higgs is going do something like revolutionize the world or anything. It'll make a lot of scientists very happy, and it'll seriously help quantum mechanics, but on a larger scale? Not really.

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It wasn't just the scientific community that got excited about that false alarm with neutrinos, JC. Pay more attention.

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Physics nowadays seems to be progressing so much more quickly than it was before, it's like the mad rush as everything seems to fit into place.But anyways, apparently the discovery of one form of Higgs boson (and by extension confirmation about possible existence of the rest of them) is going to plug in a lot of holes in the current model of physics. The Higgs boson could even tie into inflation (no not the economic sort) and dark energy, which quite frankly needs to be explained since not knowing what most of the universe must be downright embarrassing to physics.

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I doubt it'd be the greatest discovery of all time; it'd be very cool, yes, and very important, but the greatest discovery of the last ten millennium? I'm not seeing how the Higgs is going do something like revolutionize the world or anything. It'll make a lot of scientists very happy, and it'll seriously help quantum mechanics, but on a larger scale? Not really.
One step closer to the transporters in Star Trek, perhaps? :PAnyway, it's a nice discovery.

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Transporters would be cool, and knowing what gives the universe mass would be an important stepping stone, but we already have the equations written out for if the Higgs exists, it hasn't given us transporter tech yet :P The way I see it it's the difference between knowing water exists and building a nuclear reactor. Water's kinda a crucial component, but not really the problem, as assuming you didn't know water existed, you could still say, "it'd be really handy if a liquid such as this existed for my reactor".

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Although I only have the general idea of the concept, this is still pretty exciting news for physics and science. However, given how little about particle physics the average person knows, I do agree with ~JC~ about the general media coverage.~B~

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if this does in fact end up being the higgs boson, i wonder if the military will get to work creating Petrusite. i also wonder if anyone here will know what that is...

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i don't recall them ever officially stating that neutrinos were faster than light. they only stated that their experiments were suggesting it, and that they were going to retry the experiment and check over everything before making any official statement. then they found a loose cable. i don't consider "our machine had a loose cable and gave us a weird result, but we fixed it" to be an embarrassing tale.

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I, for one, wouldn't like to use a transporter if it was created - I don't really like the idea of being taken apart and put back together again. :P@BBCCD: I, for one, would be pretty embarrassed if that happened to me.

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i don't recall them ever officially stating that neutrinos were faster than light. they only stated that their experiments were suggesting it, and that they were going to retry the experiment and check over everything before making any official statement. then they found a loose cable. i don't consider "our machine had a loose cable and gave us a weird result, but we fixed it" to be an embarrassing tale.
If you're going to say that you may have found a particle that can travel faster than light and be all, "Ooops, we made a mistake.", I'd be REALLY embarrassed.Mostly because it would contradict a part of the special theory of relativity.

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Even though they never said they saw them traveling faster than light. They said "erm, ok, this is odd", someone asked what was odd, they said the instruments were showing faster than light neutrinos, and then it hit the media and everyone was all "THE FUTURE IS HERE". Scientific theories aren't made after one find for exactly that reason, and the physicists there were smart enough to know that. The news media, however, did not.If anyone's to be embarrassed it should be the media.

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I would of added in a snide remark about how it's par for the course for the news media, but I figured it was too political. Probably still is.

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To those comparing this to the neutrino debacle: The neutrino results shouldn't even have made it out of the lab. The Higgs Boson discovery, on the other hand, has a less than 1% chance of being slightly different from the predicted properties of the Higgs, and no chance at all of being a loose wire.

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To those comparing this to the neutrino debacle: The neutrino results shouldn't even have made it out of the lab. The Higgs Boson discovery, on the other hand, has a less than 1% chance of being slightly different from the predicted properties of the Higgs, and no chance at all of being a loose wire.
Pretty much, you don't announce something this big if there was a chance it was an equipment failure, considering the scale of this discovery it's not something to be announced lightly. Considering the error margin they've gone to (it's within five standard deviations) this is pretty much it.Anyways I found a simple explanation for how the higgs gives mass for those interestedtumblr_m6r5rqfins1qfiivmo2_1280.png Edited by The Invisible Noob
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