iPenguin Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 So they've finally found what might actually be the higgs boson. If it is, it will be one of the greatest scientific discoveries of not only our time, but all time.I hope for the sake of science, and the reputation of CERN, that they actually did find it. Because if they did, that would be awesome.Also, stephen hawking owes someone $100We can discuss our opinions and stuff in this topic. Quote Majhost sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transcendence Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Can someone explain to me in a VERY simple manner just what the Higgs Boson is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xomeron Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 The Higgs Boson is a particle which we know exists, since we have mathematical proof; they're just looking for physical proof, and this is roughly the fifth time CERN has been thought to have found it. Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havelock Vetinari Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) Here's hoping they actually did find it this time. Would be wonderful. Edited July 7, 2012 by Basilisk Quote I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are the good people and the bad people. You are wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 "a particle which we know exists, since we have mathematical proof"No. It's a particle which is required to exist according to a widely-accepted mathematical model of the universe. A model doesn't prove anything, it just seeks to explain it.If the Higgs Boson exists, it is only observable at high energy levels. It is - if it exists - the main indicator of the existence of the Higgs Field, which is hypothesized to be the thing that gives everything mass. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Vonn Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 I feel like this wouldn't get any attention if it weren't for its other name. The media is so skewered. Anything to light a fire under people's butts. Quote 3DS: 3711-9364-3152 PSN: AidecVoros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Its other name was only given because the name a certain physicist wanted to give it couldn't be published.But no, I rather think you're wrong. People freaked out over neutrinos, and their name isn't anything special. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Vonn Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 I don't mean attention from the science community Quote 3DS: 3711-9364-3152 PSN: AidecVoros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 From what I understand, put into extremely simplified terms the Higgs Boson would be like if you had a problem like, erm, 5 + x = 10, if x was the Higgs and 10 was our idea of the universe. Horribly simplified, but methinks it gets the point across.I doubt it'd be the greatest discovery of all time; it'd be very cool, yes, and very important, but the greatest discovery of the last ten millennium? I'm not seeing how the Higgs is going do something like revolutionize the world or anything. It'll make a lot of scientists very happy, and it'll seriously help quantum mechanics, but on a larger scale? Not really. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 It wasn't just the scientific community that got excited about that false alarm with neutrinos, JC. Pay more attention. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Vonn Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 I was gonna be nice to you, so I'm not gonna illustrate where the lines between the scientific community and the every day community exist in my head. Quote 3DS: 3711-9364-3152 PSN: AidecVoros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Invisible Handman Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Physics nowadays seems to be progressing so much more quickly than it was before, it's like the mad rush as everything seems to fit into place.But anyways, apparently the discovery of one form of Higgs boson (and by extension confirmation about possible existence of the rest of them) is going to plug in a lot of holes in the current model of physics. The Higgs boson could even tie into inflation (no not the economic sort) and dark energy, which quite frankly needs to be explained since not knowing what most of the universe must be downright embarrassing to physics. Quote {Brickshelf Page - BZPRPG Profile - HFRPG Profile - Project Protodermis Profile} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a goose Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 It's gonna be pretty embarrassing if they're wrong again. Quote [BZPRPG PROFILES] Nikarra - Kaelynn - Ronan - Muir - Donal - Aerus - Montague - Kira - Koura - Learu - Alteora - Fuacht - Caana - Nessen - Merrill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Beat Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 I doubt it'd be the greatest discovery of all time; it'd be very cool, yes, and very important, but the greatest discovery of the last ten millennium? I'm not seeing how the Higgs is going do something like revolutionize the world or anything. It'll make a lot of scientists very happy, and it'll seriously help quantum mechanics, but on a larger scale? Not really.One step closer to the transporters in Star Trek, perhaps? :PAnyway, it's a nice discovery. Quote ~Avatar's original image was made by the incomparable Egophiliac.~ ~Electronic Manic Supersonic Bionic Energy~~"If I am afraid of criticism, I won't be able to challenge anything new." - BoA~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Transporters would be cool, and knowing what gives the universe mass would be an important stepping stone, but we already have the equations written out for if the Higgs exists, it hasn't given us transporter tech yet The way I see it it's the difference between knowing water exists and building a nuclear reactor. Water's kinda a crucial component, but not really the problem, as assuming you didn't know water existed, you could still say, "it'd be really handy if a liquid such as this existed for my reactor". Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballom Nom Nom Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Although I only have the general idea of the concept, this is still pretty exciting news for physics and science. However, given how little about particle physics the average person knows, I do agree with ~JC~ about the general media coverage.~B~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBCCD Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 if this does in fact end up being the higgs boson, i wonder if the military will get to work creating Petrusite. i also wonder if anyone here will know what that is... Quote This topic so far If a tree falls in a forest and we're too far away to hear it, did a tree fall? Vs. If a tree falls in a forest and we're too far away to hear it trees don't exist and never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taka Nuvia Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I'm still unsure whether it's really true, given what happened with the faster-than-light neutrinos... but yeah, if it's really true, that would be awesome, and finally a more important discovery again. Quote My art collection topic - updated! (21/09/2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You just lost the game Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I highly doubt they found squat.I'm preparing to here of another embarrassing tale from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBCCD Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 i don't recall them ever officially stating that neutrinos were faster than light. they only stated that their experiments were suggesting it, and that they were going to retry the experiment and check over everything before making any official statement. then they found a loose cable. i don't consider "our machine had a loose cable and gave us a weird result, but we fixed it" to be an embarrassing tale. Quote This topic so far If a tree falls in a forest and we're too far away to hear it, did a tree fall? Vs. If a tree falls in a forest and we're too far away to hear it trees don't exist and never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a goose Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I, for one, wouldn't like to use a transporter if it was created - I don't really like the idea of being taken apart and put back together again. @BBCCD: I, for one, would be pretty embarrassed if that happened to me. Quote [BZPRPG PROFILES] Nikarra - Kaelynn - Ronan - Muir - Donal - Aerus - Montague - Kira - Koura - Learu - Alteora - Fuacht - Caana - Nessen - Merrill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Well thank you for proving JC right. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havelock Vetinari Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Well thank you for proving JC right.I'd like to add in a "You monster". Quote I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are the good people and the bad people. You are wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You just lost the game Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 i don't recall them ever officially stating that neutrinos were faster than light. they only stated that their experiments were suggesting it, and that they were going to retry the experiment and check over everything before making any official statement. then they found a loose cable. i don't consider "our machine had a loose cable and gave us a weird result, but we fixed it" to be an embarrassing tale.If you're going to say that you may have found a particle that can travel faster than light and be all, "Ooops, we made a mistake.", I'd be REALLY embarrassed.Mostly because it would contradict a part of the special theory of relativity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Even though they never said they saw them traveling faster than light. They said "erm, ok, this is odd", someone asked what was odd, they said the instruments were showing faster than light neutrinos, and then it hit the media and everyone was all "THE FUTURE IS HERE". Scientific theories aren't made after one find for exactly that reason, and the physicists there were smart enough to know that. The news media, however, did not.If anyone's to be embarrassed it should be the media. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havelock Vetinari Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 I think we can all agree that much of the media has lost the capacity to feel embarrassed. Quote I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are the good people and the bad people. You are wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Vonn Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 If anyone's to be embarrassed it should be the media.Aww, that's adorable! Quote 3DS: 3711-9364-3152 PSN: AidecVoros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 (edited) I would of added in a snide remark about how it's par for the course for the news media, but I figured it was too political. Probably still is. Edited July 8, 2012 by Game Master Alex Humva Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobui Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 (edited) To those comparing this to the neutrino debacle: The neutrino results shouldn't even have made it out of the lab. The Higgs Boson discovery, on the other hand, has a less than 1% chance of being slightly different from the predicted properties of the Higgs, and no chance at all of being a loose wire. Edited July 8, 2012 by Cobui Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Invisible Handman Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 (edited) To those comparing this to the neutrino debacle: The neutrino results shouldn't even have made it out of the lab. The Higgs Boson discovery, on the other hand, has a less than 1% chance of being slightly different from the predicted properties of the Higgs, and no chance at all of being a loose wire.Pretty much, you don't announce something this big if there was a chance it was an equipment failure, considering the scale of this discovery it's not something to be announced lightly. Considering the error margin they've gone to (it's within five standard deviations) this is pretty much it.Anyways I found a simple explanation for how the higgs gives mass for those interested Edited July 9, 2012 by The Invisible Noob Quote {Brickshelf Page - BZPRPG Profile - HFRPG Profile - Project Protodermis Profile} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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