The thing is, clothing does associate you with certain groups of society, including "witch", "emo", "punk" ... And if you do like looking those ways, what you wear, does reflect what you wish to represent.

It's like if I wore red, white and blue, EXTRAVAGANTLY, then I would just be representing America, and once I was aware of that, if I continued to wear that, then I show that I would be okay with representing America.

Depending on what you look like, even if you look GREAT in some of these colors or lack there of... there are ALWAYS other options which will make you look just as good so you don't associate yourselves with things you don't want to represent or are being tired of being stereotyped as.

Also, as far as immodest clothing... I'm sorry but people just can't wear what they want. =/ Having girls wear tight and revealing clothing, is uncomfortable and shows they have no self respect. It also draws in the wrong attention, which doesn't reveal anything about their inner person (or...maybe it DOES which is worse) Same with guys who wear shorts that go past their underwear.

What you wear, does matter. It's the inner person that's the most important, but the inner person chooses what to make the outer person look like.

It's like if I wore red, white and blue, EXTRAVAGANTLY, then I would just be representing America, and once I was aware of that, if I continued to wear that, then I show that I would be okay with representing America.

Eh, not really. People would assume that you were representing America, when you really just like to wear red, white and blue.

Same with guys who wear shorts that go past their underwear.

I don't recall ever seeing this, although I've seen plenty of teenage males that need a belt. =P

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Yeah you're right I would just like wearing the colors lol but you know what I mean. People would still lable you that way. You got to watch out for that

I wear a purple t-shirt, blue jeans, dark blue fake converse, a teal one of those rubber things you put around your wrist, and a plain, light-grey hoodie/jacket thing.

And I think that I look good in it, so yeah.

- Austin Powers

I have to agree here; and I'm not one to make fun of anyone either. Granted, like Grant said, there are some exceptions to the rule, but no-one should be made fun of, simply because of what they wear.

Also, as far as immodest clothing... I'm sorry but people just can't wear what they want. =/ Having girls wear tight and revealing clothing, is uncomfortable and shows they have no self respect. It also draws in the wrong attention, which doesn't reveal anything about their inner person (or...maybe it DOES which is worse) Same with guys who wear shorts that go past their underwear.

Yeah, shaming others for their choice of clothing or expressions of who they are isn't okay on BZPower. Tight or revealing clothing might be uncomfortable to you, but to those wearing it, it might be the freest and most comfortable outfit. And to say that it shows no self-respect? Extremely condescending, rude, and disrespectful of you, and I think it says more about you than about these women you are condemning in one fell-swoop. I know many girls who wear tight or slightly revealing clothing because they are proud of themselves and their body. You don't get to define that for them.

Our first rule here on BZPower is respect- you are not showing it, and I will not have this in the blogs.

So while I was reading DeeVee's post, I accidentally left my mouse over his name.

Premier Brakelatabasaast Leaders? When did this happen? =P

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So while I was reading DeeVee's post, I accidentally left my mouse over his name.

 

Premier Brakelatabasaast Leaders? When did this happen? =P

Eight days ago, when the latest staff name-change began.

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Also, as far as immodest clothing... I'm sorry but people just can't wear what they want. =/ Having girls wear tight and revealing clothing, is uncomfortable and shows they have no self respect. It also draws in the wrong attention, which doesn't reveal anything about their inner person (or...maybe it DOES which is worse) Same with guys who wear shorts that go past their underwear.

Yeah, shaming others for their choice of clothing or expressions of who they are isn't okay on BZPower. Tight or revealing clothing might be uncomfortable to you, but to those wearing it, it might be the freest and most comfortable outfit. And to say that it shows no self-respect? Extremely condescending, rude, and disrespectful of you, and I think it says more about you than about these women you are condemning in one fell-swoop. I know many girls who wear tight or slightly revealing clothing because they are proud of themselves and their body. You don't get to define that for them.

 

Our first rule here on BZPower is respect- you are not showing it, and I will not have this in the blogs.

But I feel like I am showing respect. >=/ What you wear does define what other people think of you, and you allow that without a care of how it effects them, just so you're "comfortable"? Isn't that somewhat inconsiderate on that person's part?

I'm not being rude or anything and certainly didn't mean to throw anybody off if I worded that incorrectly. But I mean come on... there are certain things you just shouldn't wear and it isn't necessary. Clothing isn't an only means of expressing who you are.

What you wear does define what other people think of you, and you allow that without a care of how it effects them, just so you're "comfortable"? Isn't that somewhat inconsiderate on that person's part?

No it's inconsiderate of you to expect everyone to dress to meet your expectations. For instance, if you're worried that a woman dressing revealingly is going to affect you poorly, that is not her fault, it is yours. It is up to you to react to others, it is not up to them to tailor their outfit choices to meet your standards.

[...] Clothing isn't an only means of expressing who you are.

No, it's also to keep of cold, snow, wind and maybe even sunlight. :/

Apart from that, though, it is a way of expressing yourself.

So let's say person X doesn't like the way I dress - maybe they feel uncomfortable because there's someone there wearing all black and a few skulls. Maybe that person is even offended simply by the all black stuff (sadly no joke, it has happened to me before...)

Am I now supposed to change myself so that someone else feels better about it? Probably some people think that way - I don't.

I wouldn't want to wear things I feel completely awkward with just so that someone else is satisfied.

Yeah you're right I would just like wearing the colors lol but you know what I mean. People would still lable you that way. You got to watch out for that

Ah, labelling. My second 'favourite' thing about society. :sarcastic2:

The thing is, clothing does associate you with certain groups of society, including "witch", "emo", "punk" ... And if you do like looking those ways, what you wear, does reflect what you wish to represent.

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but the point is, I do not dress emo. Or Punk. Not really particularly gothic, either (sadly ^^"). But I have done research on subcultures, and am able to tell them apart.

Also, this is how labelling works (at least over here...)

And it seriously happened like that last year.

... and what about this?

I guess it's not labelling that I have a problem with, it's the mis-labelling. =/

... somehow this didn't quite turn out as expected D=

Grand-Sun Rises, your main problem is that you are saying that people can't wear a certain kind of clothing. That is not true. To tell the truth, almost nothing is final or absolute in this world, whether we like it or not. OK, so someone dresses in a way you don't like. You think that they should not dress like that, but that does not mean they cannot. Clothing might associate you with a certain group, but it does not represent who you actually are. So maybe in real life, Taka Nuvia dresses in all black and skulls. Those of us who are accustomed to colorful clothing will naturally feel uncomfortable. But we have to remember, clothing does not always represent who they are. I've talked with Taka Nuvia a couple of times, and she is a very cool and nice person. Even if her clothing choice may seem a bit unusual to me, I will still know that she is not "goth" or "emo" or whatever, but rather, a person who deserves respect and kindness like the rest of us do.

As for my clothing, I don't have a defined style. I just dress nicely enough to go outside, I don't really dress in any special way.

No it's inconsiderate of you to expect everyone to dress to meet your expectations. For instance, if you're worried that a woman dressing revealingly is going to affect you poorly, that is not her fault, it is yours. It is up to you to react to others, it is not up to them to tailor their outfit choices to meet your standards.

I'm just saying, would it be so horrible to be considerate about how your clothing effects others? Just as much as you're supposed to be reasonable as to what someone likes to wear? =/

I do know Taka a little and she's totally awesome. :B I'm not like dissing her or anything, I'm just saying I disagree that you wear what you want, when you want.

So, you're saying, for example, that I should maybe not wear my Megadeth shirt in public because someone might see it and think I'm a satanist or part of a cult, and be uncomfortable around me, for liking a metal band?

'Cause that's what it sounds like. And sorry, but if someone's uncomfortable or imposes misconceptions on me based on a band/image they know nothing about, or the colour of my shirt, then I don't want to make them happy or comfortable.

So, you're saying, for example, that I should maybe not wear my Megadeth shirt in public because someone might see it and think I'm a satanist or part of a cult, and be uncomfortable around me, for liking a metal band?

 

'Cause that's what it sounds like. And sorry, but if someone's uncomfortable or imposes misconceptions on me based on a band/image they know nothing about, or the colour of my shirt, then I don't want to make them happy or comfortable.

Slippery slope alert.

slippery slope or not, it's kind of a valid point/question, given that Grant pretty much blatantly said that you should base how you dress around what people will think.

I could say something, but if I did, somebody on either side of the argument will overreact about my thoughts on how humans compensate for lack of body hair.

I could say something, but if I did, somebody on either side of the argument will overreact about my thoughts on how humans compensate for lack of body hair.

+1

slippery slope or not, it's kind of a valid point/question, given that Grant pretty much blatantly said that you should base how you dress around what people will think.

No he didn't. He's saying that you should consider what message you are sending with your clothes and how that impacts the perception of what you actually represent, and that you shouldn't go out intentionally trying to make people uncomfortable. The former doesn't overrule your personal tastes, but the latter is social charity. If you make someone uncomfortable, don't rub it in their face, try and help give them some perspective on the subject. Both parties (might) walk away better off instead of perpetuating misconceptions.

slippery slope or not, it's kind of a valid point/question, given that Grant pretty much blatantly said that you should base how you dress around what people will think.

No. You need to be considerate if your clothing does offend other people. >=(

If I wore whatever I wanted, and someone was offended or uncomfortable with my clothes and how I looked, that means I should expect them to completely change their ways and fit with how "I" think I should be portrayed?

That's what's basically been said in the above comments?

Yeah. Let me forget about the other guy, cause what I wear is completely comfortable to me, and he needs to change his ways because I'm right and who cares if they get the wrong idea because I believe it portrays me fine.

so

in other words

dress based on what other people think.

so

 

in other words

 

dress based on what other people think.

Or, remember that conversation is a two way street. You want people to be considerate of you. Why shouldn't you be considerate of them? Quid pro quo. Golden Rule. Mutual back-scratching. Whatever you want to call it. You're asking for societal charity when it comes to how you dress, should you not also be charitable towards society? Both parties must bring understanding to the table, not just the one that doesn't agree with you.

one should not sacrifice self-expression or happiness to appease others. "sorry if this thing I like or believe or support and wish to display offends you, but I won't conform to your standards, which are different from mine, which you have chosen to judge me by!"

I'm not going to let other people define me or how I dress. no one should.

so

 

in other words

 

dress based on what other people think.

I'm sorry, you must have not have read my comment. Let me say again.

Really, as long as you're comfortable with what you wear, who cares how it affects anyone else? I mean, it's all about you. =D

you're saying that people should not wear things that could potentially cause people to think negatively of them

so basically dress only in ways that please people

so basically base how you dress on what people think.

I'm not going to expect anyone to conform to my standards, so they shouldn't expect me to conform to theirs.

Takia Nuvia. I apologize if anything I have said in the course of this has offended you.

Orino Ryuujin. Have fun out there being offended that someone is offended. It doesn't help.

Currently, no one is winning in this, and everyone is losing. I'm going to bed.