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I was thinking maybe wait until all the the animations of this first year are over. There shouldnt be a massive rush and we can have a bit more story too

Hey so we have a little discussion here I see, that's great!

For those saying that there is nothing to do for Okoto I see your point, but let me just say that the BZRPG only really uses a bit of 01. Everything else is it's own story. Anyway, I was going to try and host one if thats okay. Would really appreciate some help to admin though. Also for story ideas too.

 

 

As for G2, I'd love to play an rpg based on it, right now though there really isn't much of a story for it, at least not yet. 

 

Actually I was just chatting with a couple of friends about creating one and this came up, as you would expect. Personally for me it's somewhat of a good thing, because it does make it easier for people to integrate themselves into, IMO. Also how much of the real Gen 1 story does the BZRPG follow? Not a lot and for understandable reasons it made its own story. 

 

I don't want to claim that I am nearly as invested in the RPG as any of you (heck, I've barely played), nor do I wish to undermine your ability to partake in a world which you have developed and shaped for years, alright? Let's get that out of the way first.

 

What I want to have is a logical, well-thought discussion about the complexity of the RPG, its effect on new players, and the lack of G2 presence. From a site that has long held accouterments of the past above those of the present, I am not surprised that the RPG has remained focused on the basic trappings of G1- however, it is my opinion that this focus on G1 elements, and especially the complex lore which has developed around them, runs counter-intuitive to the site's recent initiatives to accept new members and garner a larger member-base. Speaking as a member who has twice attempted to enter the RPG in its present state, the sheer foreknowledge required to actually function in the game is far beyond what is presented in recaps, and the difficulty which I experienced in getting others to interact with me highlighted the tendency to stick to cliques and groups that were already defined- as Tyler said, the "RPG gang" seems to be a real entity, and the degree to wich one has to stick out ones neck to get interaction is very off-putting, especially for shyer members who would be happy to interact but are loathe to approach members and join "groups", such as myself.

 

I do not propose a reboot, not until one is called for anyway- but perhaps a splitting of the RPG into a G1 and G2 BZPRPG- a "Legends" and "Okoto" RPG, perhaps? Something that allows for a fresh start, and a familiar setting for when we inevitably receive younger players. Personally, I would also love a "Welcoming Committee" for the RPGS- someone who could introduce new players to the settings, show them around, and perhaps start them on a plot point?

Again, I'm not the most experienced player, so feel free to poke holes in all of my suggestions. 

But, to be entirely honest, I feel like you've been a bit rough on r34daka, and a bit too dismissive.

 

Thanks for putting my argument a little better than I could seem to muster up. Maybe I was a little forward is saying the current RPG should be cancelled. You have to understand I know little of the inner workings of the BZRPG and I assumed that for one to arrive the other would have to leave. If the two could run side by side that would be awesome. Also some of you peeps have been a little harsh on me. I can't say it bothers me, but if you have a problem with me please dont  bring it into the thread. I dont so I would expect you to all do the same. Thanks.

There's a huge story that's barely been gotten into, lots of characters people like writing as and reading from, people are still joining it fairly regularly, there are the people who've been a part if it for years, and you're suggesting scrapping it all in favor of making something based on a story that is basically non-existent at the moment. And you're admitting that it doesn't seem like there's much demand for it and might not be for a while, and yet you're saying it's selfish to want to maintain what we have right now, or describing the reaction relatively hyperbolically.

 

Let me just say that yes, some replies haven't been particularly polite, mine included. I apologize if I seem insulting. But would you be willing to get behind it if, say, you were writing a story and somebody came in, looked at it for a few moments, and said "bro you should change this thing you've worked on for ages to be about this random thing instead"? That's basically what you're doing. It's looking like you don't particularly care for the hard work that all of us have put in to the game. I can't say for sure that that was your intent, or even how you actually feel or prioritize things - after all, I am not you - but that is what it looks like. And that's why we're responding as vehemently as we are. We care for what we've created here, and we don't want to see all this effort just be completely overturned all for something else that is barely established at all.

 

Now, I'd love an Okoto based RPG. It'd be great fun, in my mind, and it would make for a great RPG to add to the forum over there, so long as somebody ran it well, even with the lack of actual Okoto story we have right now. But at the same time, I love the BZPRPG. I love the story it has, I love the characters, and I love the people. I don't want that to just be tossed aside, the same as all the others who have responded. Suggesting we just get rid of everything we have now won't make any of us, players or game staff, happy. So please, think of that, as for why we're responding the way we are.

 

As for an Okoto RPG - if you want one, make one! Convince somebody else to make it if you don't have the time to make and run it and just want to play. It won't be The BZPRPG, but it doesn't have[i/] to be. We've got four other fairly popular RPGs in the forum, alongside the BZPRPG, to attest to that fact. Heck, if you want, I'd be welling to help make it and would definitely play it alongside the BZPRPG. But at the same time, I and many others want the BZPRPG to stay just as it is, because right now it's working fine - and really, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

There does seem to be a misconception that I want to see the end of the current RPG. I dont. Or st least I wouldnt want to see it go for no good reason. I think its very easy also, for people that have been with it for years to say how accessible it it. Yeah I wasnt there for long, but I left for the reasons I have mentioned above, not for no good reason. 

I really do appreciate and admire the thought and care ALL of you have put into making that world so vibrant and expansive. If there was a way to balance that out with a easier to enter atmosphere it would be a win win. 

As several people have said, if anyone wants to make an RPG based on what we know about Okoto they can feel free. We even have a topic for doing stuff like that.

 

Aside from that it seems like the question of this topic has been answered pretty well. Not much reason to keep it going.

I would personally disagree. It is a discussion topic. I will admit the discussion up to this point hass been a little one sided up to this point, but hey. A lot of people seem to be taking this as a personal assault on their deity. Its a bit ridiculous. 

 

Yeah I agree that this thread has made me realize there isn't a big demand. That doesn't mean I think it wouldn't be popular if it got released though.

 

Scrapping the entirety of the existing BZPRPG based solely on your assumption that you think a G2 version of the game might be popular is not a valid reason for us to change over. 

 

I think many replies have been just as selfish.

 

Hey guys. Trust me, I have read your replies and I see most of your arguments and appreciate those that have put theirs in a well thought out manner. If I was invested into a game and everyone thing got changed I would be pretty skeptical to. This isnt me trying to take away your fun, I've never been about that. My only argument is that a new generation is being introduced to Bionicle in a new way, and thus, hopefully joining this site and adding a bit of new blood to it. I do agree that now might not be the time to do it as we don't know much of the lore and at this point haven't had many solely G2 Bio fans join here. But in time, I can only assume that more will arrive and the lore of G2 will get richer and richer. At that point I think it would be foolish not to switch. Of course the ideal would be to have the two running side by side but have not the time or commitment to really run such a thing. Seriously I admire those of you that do. But one day we will have to move over to give the new kids room, otherwise we are just grumpy men and women who wont let the kids play with our toys. 

 

I agree. Maybe one day it will be time to switch. And, ideally, it will happen according to player demand, which does not exist right now.  

 

So it's less "grumpy men and women" and more "there is no demand, so why would we switch our product?" When the demand comes, then of course we'll have to adjust to meet that demand: the whole point of the BZPRPG is to give the players a good time. No one here is arguing that one day it might happen; they're just pointing out that there's nobody who would be happy for the switch at the present moment (except yourself, I suppose), so there's very little reason to change.

 

If we switched now, then the game would be adapting to a generation of fans that does not yet exist (and may not exist for several years), which is a poor market strategy by anyone's standards.

 

Yeah I agree that this thread has made me realize there isn't a big demand. That doesn't mean I think it wouldn't be popular if it got released though.

Hey guys. Trust me, I have read your replies and I see most of your arguments and appreciate those that have put theirs in a well thought out manner. If I was invested into a game and everyone thing got changed I would be pretty skeptical to. This isnt me trying to take away your fun, I've never been about that. My only argument is that a new generation is being introduced to Bionicle in a new way, and thus, hopefully joining this site and adding a bit of new blood to it. I do agree that now might not be the time to do it as we don't know much of the lore and at this point haven't had many solely G2 Bio fans join here. But in time, I can only assume that more will arrive and the lore of G2 will get richer and richer. At that point I think it would be foolish not to switch. Of course the ideal would be to have the two running side by side but have not the time or commitment to really run such a thing. Seriously I admire those of you that do. But one day we will have to move over to give the new kids room, otherwise we are just grumpy men and women who wont let the kids play with our toys. 

Look guys, I'm not saying I want it scrapped. It's just that Bionicle as we know it is Okoto. Why hasnt the the BZRPG gone with it? And I know that it follows a different story to G1 but there are a lot of things (powers, races, masks, etc) that are exclusive to Gen 1. 

The fact that someone who has hardly played the BZPRPG wants it scrapped is pretty stupid to m.

 I've played it enough to know what the problems are so please don't assume, thanks mate.

 

So I know that they have said that Vader wont change much when he meets Ahsoka but am I the only one that finds it odd that he reacts more to finding Luke. He never even met Luke or Leia when he was Anakin yet he basically raised Ahsoka to an extent. Wouldnt Ahsoka be more like a daughter to him that Leia?

Eh...I would describe their relationship as something a brother and sister would have, if not really close friends. Based on his reaction when she left The Jedi Order for good, anyways.

 

True, but if anyone were to fill a child roll to Anakin it would be Ahsoka, not Luke and Leia, right?

So I know that they have said that Vader wont change much when he meets Ahsoka but am I the only one that finds it odd that he reacts more to finding Luke. He never even met Luke or Leia when he was Anakin yet he basically raised Ahsoka to an extent. Wouldnt Ahsoka be more like a daughter to him that Leia?

When you think about it, the BZPRPG has become a convoluted mess that makes it very hard for new comers to join. I myself have tried a handful of times but I have had little success in integrating myself into this already heavily established universe which rivals that of even the old Bionicle G1(which alas, should have been put down years ago).

Just imagine being a newcomer to Bionicle in general and seeing all these powers and masks you never knew existed. Hardly a welcoming site when all you want to do is create a Toa of Fire and bash the heads in of a skull villain. Pretty daunting.

I just think that this would be a big step in the right direction to not only help accustom to fans to the site but old fans into the new story. What better way to grow fond of a new universe than to be part of it?

I know there isn't much of a story so far, but that isn't a bad thing. The whole point of an RPG is that the players can create their own tales. 

For the record, I am assuming that this will be done at some point but the questions are: Should it be done? And when should it be done?

EDIT: Hey guys. I'm really not doing this to go against any one of you or the stories and characters you have created. Please for the love of all that's holy dont assume that.

 

Can we just give this a rest now, guys?

 

Well, that's what I was trying to do with this topic: provide an occasion for us to settle this, once and for all. From the responses so far, I think it's safe to say that ​no further canonization along these lines will be conducted (at least by members of BZP S&T who respect the community's wishes).

 

Of course, the point that constable-frozen brings up in their post above is really something else entirely, and questions the validity of the canonization that set off this argument. Greg often uses technically ambiguous language to confirm or deny canonizations. Perhaps we could set up some sort of Sliding Scale of Definitive Language with which to judge his responses.

 

My point is that I think we should just let G1 go. It had a good run, but it should have ended years back when Makuta died. I really don't see the point in even trying to get Greg to canonize things because what good does it do? Why add to a dead universe. I'm all for letting G1 live on in forms of creative outlet, but as far as anything official goes we should just let it die.

Can we just give this a rest now, guys?

No. And at this point I'm really not bothered. Time has passed and the momentum of my interest has faded. 

 

I have been re-watching TCW recently and I am just remembering how much of a great show it actually is. I actually think I prefer it to all of the six films. It is a shame it had to be cancelled prematurely but I can see why they had to do it. I will definitely be getting "Dark Disciple" when it is released in June.

I stopped watching after season 2, though I did see some episodes concerning Madalore and Death Watch. Those episodes were a lot better then all the episodes I saw prior. I stopped watching it because it at the time did not go with the established canon, but after Disney bought LucasArts and made much of the Expanded Universe non-canon (which at first I hated, but now I actually see the wisdom in it and like that decision), I would really like to watch it. Ironically, I left the show for being non-canon and too childish, but it was after I left that it became the opposite. :lol

 

I honestly don't get how people say it's childish. Even season 1 and 2.. They had some real themes and problems that every adult could relate to. If anything, re-watching them when I'm older only makes me see the more grown-up elements to it more clearly. I remember the talk between Anakin and Asohka at the end of the final Geonosis episode in (I think) season 2 really hit home to me that it wasn't just a kids show. Sure, its a kids show, but it doesn't talk down to the older audience either. I know it did conflict with canon which used to bug me too, but I wouldn't want them to sacrifice a good story for the sake of adding in a detail in from the books. 

Watching more Rebels, I am starting to really enjoy it. Seems like a very fun show that can appeal to everyone and I can clearly see the tone they are going for. Some parts in it genuinely make me laugh. Its not so much the lines themselves, it's more the delivery. Stella voice cast all around. From what I here it seems to be tying up a few loose ends from TCW so that's really great news.

I cant really see why people are complaining about the animation style either. Sure, its different from TCW but its definatley not dumbed down. Its actually very crisp. Only thing Im slightly not too sure about is Kanan's face texture looks kind of shiny and reminds me of the little avatar things on the Nintendo Wii.

I have been re-watching TCW recently and I am just remembering how much of a great show it actually is. I actually think I prefer it to all of the six films. It is a shame it had to be cancelled prematurely but I can see why they had to do it. I will definitely be getting "Dark Disciple" when it is released in June.

Books only about £12 so that's not bad really considering you get a pretty nice figure with it

That's incredible. Looks like it could be used as a prop in a live action movie. Speaking of props, major ones given to the guy who created this. 

 

I definitely want the cast to change. Something that made Bionicle great to me was the focus shifting to previous minor characters over time. Seeing Jaller, Hahli and co. as Toa was the coolest thing ever.

 

Well, it showed that Tahu and his particular group of Toa weren't the only names in the Bionicle universe that mattered.

 

Yeah I have to agree. Just makes the universe feel a bit more fleshed out. I am hoping that this year is just for the Toa and once they are introduce we can start looking into some more named characters to join them

 

Im going to ask something in which I have been guilty of in the past. In an RPG, if you character swears and you deliberately type the hash key multiple times is that against the rules also?

That's perfectly fine.

 

Good to know. Cheers man.

Im going to ask something in which I have been guilty of in the past. In an RPG, if you character swears and you deliberately type the hash key multiple times is that against the rules also?

 

I really hope you dont have to spend a silly amount to get it. If I didnt already have all the sets it wouldnt be to too bad. Hopefully its just with any Bionicle purchase, because it looks really neat.

Looks like you can get it with any purchase.

 

Sweet. Good to know. Probably just get another PoF so I can make a Takua custom. 

I really hope you dont have to spend a silly amount to get it. If I didnt already have all the sets it wouldnt be to too bad. Hopefully its just with any Bionicle purchase, because it looks really neat.

These last three episodes have been really great. I think we can get some good dialogue going now all the Toa are here. It sort of feels like it was really three episodes split up into 9. 1,2 and 3. 4,5 and 6. 7,8 and 9.

Still great though. 

I prefer watching them on a foreign language because the English narrator is so bad compared to the others. Would like some subtitles though