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Greg's answered your questions, bonesiii. The agents do know with whom they are communicating, but they haven't necessarily been told of his plans.

Simply put, it's because several people have posited evidence for why he could be the traitor, several more have agreed with them, and no one has disputed those claims. It's how my ranking system works. If you doubt it was Vastus, feel free to make a case against him.

79,100 years ago, Teridax rounded up the most active instigators of the Matoran Civil War, trapped them in the Archives, and loosed the exhibits on them. Many were probably eaten.

They were disintegrated? Sorry, I need to re-read "Reign of Shadows". No, the Vortixx wasn't disintegrated. TSO used his staff to gag the Vortixx in crystalline Protodermis, and the Vortixx died of asphyxiation. People should really read these stories before telling people that BS01 has it wrong. :/

False. It was actually Crotesius who told Mata Nui about the expedition, as mentioned in Journey's End.

We actually have a topic for this now.

Plus, if you look at The Legend Reborn, she's not keen on the Great Beings, calling them "Great Destroyers" and all. Sure, Velika is also not a big fan of the GBs in general, but you'd think Kiina wouldn't be quite so harsh if she was personally reporting to one.

Tarix seems like he could be interesting as an informant. He's heroic, but he's also very quiet, and we never really learned a lot about him. He could certainly be hiding something. Perditus would be a good choice, especially since it would give him some actual characterization.

I'm not asking people to look through previous story for intentional clues of being an informant. But I think we can look at these characters, their personalities, their histories, and their affiliations, and try to get some idea of who would be most likely to have allied themselves with Velika. Keep in mind, whoever was acting as an informant must have had some way to communicate with Velika across the void of space. Yet since telecommunications were never seen on Bara Magna in our story, this must have been kept secret from everyone else. I wonder where they hid their gadgets.

Go to this page and give it a read. It should tell you all you need to know, with references to the Greg quotes that confirm its information.

Greg's just confirmed that Velika has agents loyal to him on Bara Magna, who have been reporting the goings-on to him over the past 100,000 years. Most intriguingly, he's confirmed -- wait for it -- One or more of these agents are characters we met in 2009 story. I'd have made a poll if I were able, but as I'm frugal with my money, I'm no Premier Member. I invite S&T to review all Bara Magna characters and consider who might have been an informant all along. Savvy? I'm keeping track of who's suspected by whom on this handy-dandy "Suspicion Chart". The rankings are based on the number of posters vouching for or against that character being an informant. I've only recorded votes that used in-story evidence; people who say "not So-and-So, I don't want them to be the informant" will not be counted. Currently, Vastus and Atakus are topping the charts, followed by Metus. The two least suspected people on the planet are Gresh and Tarduk. (First page... excellent. Let the theorizing truly begin.)

Triple post for even MORE interesting information: In his latest post on the subject, Greg confirms that some of Velika's Bara Magna agents were characters we met in 2009. (!!!!) I think it would be enormously unfair of me to say that and then say that all his agents were people you didn't meet (that seems like a cheat). So yes to your first question. Place your bets now, people. Maybe there should be a poll on this to see who's the likeliest suspect(s).

Double post for relevant story information: I asked Greg a few questions about Kabrua and his Vorox, and was not disappointed. Greg's confirmed that their blasters were given to them by Velika, and that they are not quite the same as the 2009 vehicle set force blasters (awww) -- but more intriguingly, he's also hinted that Velika has minions loyal to him on Spherus Magna. 1) Yes, he did 2) Based on the same tech, but not exactly the same. 3) Ah, very good question. Here's a hint -- although the GBs had lost contact with Mata Nui, Velika never lost contact with the remnants of Spherus Magna. So he knew a great deal of what was going on through agents loyal to him that no one else in the MU would have known.

Well, Boidoh already made the edits in accordance, that's the trouble. I'm not going to revert them unless he agrees to it. So, @ Boidoh: sorry we all made such a fuss over astronomical bodies in a dead fictional series. No, seriously -- I am sorry.

After Greg's latest post, I don't think this argument really needs to be continued. Whether or not they were moons or planets didn't matter to the story team or to Greg. In effect, I think he's admitting he doesn't know what he's doing, and deferring this matter to fans who know orbital physics better than he does (e.g. bonesiii). Keeping that in mind, I really don't care what we end up saying on BS01, but I think bonesiii's case makes the most sense. If we all agree with that, perhaps we can make the requisite edits, apologize to Boidoh, and bring this whole silly snaffu to rest.

Ohhhh.... now it makes sense. Okay. Forgiven. Without context, it sounded like you'd just wondered whether or not they were moons or planets, despite all previous references. (In retrospect, you could have just asked bones, since he seems to know orbital physics out the wazoo. But I guess we can't repeat the past.) In cases like this, you have access to the context and reasoning behind your question, but Greg doesn't. That's why, whenever I ask questions on the LMB, I always try to include my hypotheses and reasoning, instead of just asking him. (Ex: "Did Makuta Miserix create the Kanohi Dragon? It seems right up his alley.", as opposed to just "Did Miserix create the Kanohi Dragon?" It's a small and trivial example, but it's a simple illustration.) As for the blocked post, I think the mods took issue with the word "killed". They're inconsistent with that rule, but it happens. Ironically, they might be fine with you saying "Dragged off and presumably eaten by" a tentacled monster.

I'm sorry to be blowing this into a huge argument. It doesn't utterly ruin the story forever if they weren't moons, it just throws a lot of previous references out of whack. The situation can be salvaged, though. The only thing I'm wondering is just... why ask in the first place?

Really, that is my main issue with all of this. Why was it a question worth asking in the first place? (Copied from my rant on Boidoh's BS01 page) Boidoh, I appreciate the work you're doing with Greg, but it seems like a lot of the time, your end goal is to extort answers from Greg that you want to hear; would it be possible to change tactics, and focus on just asking him a question and waiting to see his response? You pestered the poor man half to death on Lehvak-Kal, and while it did end in a triumph of logic and physics over Greg's longstanding apathy, it kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth. If you're going to ask about matters that are noticeably disputed, such as the moons thing, I think the only ethical thing to do is to present both sides of the argument reasonably and rationally. You could have asked, "When separated from Bara Magna, did Aqua Magna and Bota Magna orbit Solis Magna as their own planetoids, or did they orbit Bara Magna as moons? Many sources in canon describe them as moons of Bara Magna, but I think that could be poetic license. Would you mind confirming for me whether they were moons or planets?" That way, Greg would have seen the arguments from both sides and been reminded that canon had previously referred to them as moons, and he could have taken that into account in his answer. If he were really convinced that Bota Magna and Aqua Magna should have their own orbits around Solis Magna, he would have specified that, but if he were unsure or simply forgetful, he would have been reminded of the canon specification and been able to fall back on that. You see what I'm saying? In fact, I think the best thing to do would be to ask the question over again, and this time, mention that canon always calls them moons. "In two previous answers, you said that Bota Magna and Aqua Magna were separate planets from Bara Magna, and orbited Solis Magna on their own. However, others have reminded me that many canon sources refer to them as moons of Bara Magna. I think that could be poetic license, but what do you think?" Would you mind doing that? Fessing up and presenting the other side of the argument so Greg can consider it would bring a peaceful end to this whole mess, and I think it would clear your reputation on both BS01 and BZP.

Well, I guess I can't argue with Greg. I can still try to salvage the UDD symbol, though. What if that symbol wasn't supposed to represent the orbital path of Bota Magna and Aqua Magna around Bara Magna -- what if it was meant to represent the three shards arriving at a point of alignment -- the optimal point of alignment for Mata Nui to reform them and complete his mission? That... actually makes the UDD symbol even cooler, in my opinion. It wasn't just a reminder of "hey, these are the shards you need to fix sometime", it was a diagram of "the clock is ticking; they'll be aligned like this just once in the next 100,000 years, don't forget". It lends the symbol a great deal of urgency and gravitas. Alright. I can work with that.

Eh, they're called moons plenty of times. Actually, I think they were called moons every time they were described in story. Raid on Vulcanus has Gelu's line "Agori, you've been in danger since before Bara Magna had moons", the Mata Nui Saga calls them "the jungle moon" and ocean moon, and I think Journey's End calls them that, too, though I can't be certain. Additionally, I don't think it was ever confirmed that they orbited Solis Magna. Where did you hear that? No, no, no. I know about Solis Magna being the star in Spherus Magna's system. Do you take me for someone who doesn't compulsively read BS01 most every day? My concern was about Boidoh's claim that Bota Magna and Aqua Magna both orbited Solis Magna on their own, making them separate planets, and not moons of Bara Magna. I've never heard that before, and I'm extremely skeptical, considering that they've always been called moons everywhere else.

Well, it could be that. Especially since its movements are similar to the bucking movements of Graalok in Mask of Light. XD

Eh, they're called moons plenty of times. Actually, I think they were called moons every time they were described in story. Raid on Vulcanus has Gelu's line "Agori, you've been in danger since before Bara Magna had moons", the Mata Nui Saga calls them "the jungle moon" and ocean moon, and I think Journey's End calls them that, too, though I can't be certain. Additionally, I don't think it was ever confirmed that they orbited Solis Magna. Where did you hear that?

I doubt it was meant to be any specific Rahi. The bucking motions indicate the machine was supposed to emulate a mount, such as a Muaka, a Kane-Ra, or even a Tahtorak (keep in mind, Power Play also features a carving of a Skakdi riding a Tahtorak). Anyway, it's a funny intersection of promotional materials and canonical appearances, and I like it. The Piraka Stronghold always did have spunk.

Forget Tren Krom, he was going after the Core Processor. If worst had come to worst, Velika would likely have led the rebellion right where they needed to go. You can claim non-interference all you like, but I doubt he'd have stood around twiddling his thumbs if it had come to that.

Yes, I know Greg helped write it. I figured that it would be better communicated in his writing than in the movie, but I was wrong. Still a steaming pile of kikanalo dung.