Sharnak the Bohrok Lord Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 If they wore different masks, then how are they Takanuva? Takua would have never turned into Takanuva without that mask, it's kind of his most defining feature.Shadow Takanuva are from alternate universes where different things happened. It possible that is some instances he became a Toa through other means like a Toa Stone. Maybe instead of summoning the Toa Mata he became one of them? Or different Matoran became Toa Metru including him. Possibilities are endless. Anyway, I support the idea of its power being negated or at least weakened for two reasons:1) If the Avohkii became a mask of shadow it would make the Kraahkan less important.2) The Makuta consider Takanuva to be one of their biggest threats. Light is very powerful against shadow and they would not want it used against them, hence the invasion of Karda-Nui. While all the Shadow Takanuva may be evil, an Avohkii would still be threat to them. The Takanuvas could turn against them or the masks could also be taken by others. Point is, rather than having one working Mask of Light running around there are now several. Bad for the Makuta. 2 Quote Remember Artwork III? It was the best of times. It was the worst of times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorek Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I'll ask Greg for clarification, but I want to get my facts straight first. Are we thinking that the Shadow Takanuva wore Kanohi Avohkii, but didn't use them, or that they exchanged their Kanohi Avohkii for different masks?I'm leaning towards the latter; in this case, it would likely be Tridax himself who is the one who swapped out the masks. 4 Quote BS01's Ambassador (Like us, Follow us) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALVIS Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 So, should I bring the matter to Greg? The reason I ask is because he's given confusing answers on the subject, and I want to try and get them cleared up. Should I make a poll to determine what suggestion to make? Quote "You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant." -- Harlan Ellison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chro Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) >having moral light and darkness>not having moral fire, ice, water, air, stone, earth etc Why?The "moral light and darkness" just have that name because of the associations light and shadow have with good and evil. Every time "moral light" or "moral darkness" is mentioned you could easily just insert "good" or "evil" (but, ah, in some sort of measurable form, I think?). There's no need for other "moral elements" because those are actually just aspects of personality - would you refer to "courage" as "moral fire"? (That sounds pretty cool now that I think about it, but it's not a technically accurate term by any means.)That's how I think of it, anyway. Edited December 17, 2014 by Chro Quote save not only their lives but their spirits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iblis Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 >having moral light and darkness>not having moral fire, ice, water, air, stone, earth etc Why? ...associations... Yes but being drained of you're goodness makes you dark. So the moral 'Element' isn't just thematic the vast majority of the time, Light Is Good, & Dark Is Evil, every now and again there will be subversions, but Light = Good.It feels awkward; why are those two Elements more tied to morality than any others which seem to be neutral entirely. Even acid seems to be just put down to more destructive than malicious... Plasma is fine, but Shadow? almost always bad, not just because it's a cool Element to have, but because you're morality blurs with these where as these errors don't seem to affect the other Elements.But then again, anything of any Element can be made Shadow by having it''s morality drained outa it... What's the deal with Shadow? It's just bad ...because morality! o.O 2 Quote ~ Sophistry: A way to be antidisuncorrect. ~ In a decade you might convince maybe a small tribe of people. In a decade you might also conquer one million km2 of land, & in over a thousand years you might have over a billion followers. I like building things. Please don't break the big ones. & evidential philosophies that dare to extrapolate beyond an individual's direct experience aren't easily built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archon~ Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) Shadow is only considered bad because of its association with Makuta, and this ideology became laregly prevalent after the Brotherhood rebelled. Before, it was just another elemenet, however no Kraa-MTT were created as there is no real potential good that could be made with shadow. Also, remember, every being has / should have more or less balanced amounts of moral light and shadow. Makuta are good examples of it that eventually got rid of all their light, but even though that happened they continued to serve the world for the better for a while. My point is that even a shadow moral being could be "good" through fear or some other tactic, but after Mata Nui enforced and observed the situation in the MU less, shadow slowly became associated with bad, while light became associated with good, as things started falling apart. I personally think that beings who are made naturally for their function to be more dominant and violent tend to have more moral shadow in them, while the ones who were meant to maintain and regulate infrastructure stuff were more prone to have moral Light. Also, Yaldbaoth, I think you should poll it, see what people like more, but also mention the alternative. Basically give him reasons why each would be better. Come to think of it, idk if it needs to be polled, your call! Edited December 18, 2014 by Archon~ 2 Quote Archon *** "For one to truly feel alive, the person must kill oneself a little bit each and every day." Check out my MOC, one of the new generation of Toa on Spherus Magna! ***Toa Kyraan*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Pot Studios Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Maybe it retains its light powers, but is powerless to the Shadow Takanuva as it rejects their inner shadow? I'm quite fond of this idea, and it's been a headcanon of mine for a while. Quote Blog|YouTube|Flickr Making brickfilms since 2007. Check out my latest animations: , , and Avengers Tower! The first episode of Nuva, Magnetic Mania, is now live! Check it out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobber Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Maybe it retains its light powers, but is powerless to the Shadow Takanuva as it rejects their inner shadow? I'm quite fond of this idea, and it's been a headcanon of mine for a while.Hasn't that been established already via Greg's answer? But yeah, Shadow Takanuva wouldn't be able to use the Avokii because it still would retain its light., making it essentially useless. Might as well swap it out for a different mask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSkeletonMan939 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 An Avohkii drained of light should only become a Kraahkan if a Kraahkan devoid of shadow becomes an Avohkii. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSciFiGuy Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 As long as its not just a kanohi Kraahkan I am fine. I think it'd be the reverse of light, promoting hostility and mistrust, with some shadow powers. Quote Bionicle: ANP aims to create narrated versions of all the Bionicle books, with voice actors for each character, and music taken from various media to enhance the story. Check here if you're interested in voicing a character, and here for the chapters that've already been released!Formerly: Tahu Nuva 3.0Looking for a Bionicle Beanie. Black one with the symbol on it. Contact me if you are willing to sell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharnak the Bohrok Lord Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 An Avohkii drained of light should only become a Kraahkan if a Kraahkan devoid of shadow becomes an Avohkii.Was that ever confirmed to be the case? I don't recall Alt. Teridax ever using his Kraahkan. Quote Remember Artwork III? It was the best of times. It was the worst of times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toa Of Virtues Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 (edited) Whether or not all the shadow Takanuvas are wearing their Avohkiis, do we agree that it would maintain it's powers over light but change shape and color when it is entirely drained of light? 2008 Takanuva had part of his light drained, but his mask stayed exactly the same except for its shape and color. I want some fan art for what it would look like entirely drained! Edited December 28, 2014 by TuragaOfVirtues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobber Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 (edited) Whether or not all the shadow Takanuvas are wearing their Avohkiis, do we agree that it would maintain it's powers over light but change shape and color when it is entirely drained of light? 2008 Takanuva had part of his light drained, but his mask stayed exactly the same except for its shape and color. I want some fan art for what it would look like entirely drained!Wasn't the reason why the Avokii changed was because of that virus that made him giant in size? Edited December 28, 2014 by Chasm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALVIS Posted December 28, 2014 Author Share Posted December 28, 2014 For those of you who are wondering, no, I haven't asked Greg about this issue yet. He's probably on holiday break right now, and he hasn't been answering many questions. I'll ask him once the new year rolls in. Quote "You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant." -- Harlan Ellison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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