Kanohi Imprints

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Takanuva and Jaller both died at the end of Mask of Light, but everything was okay because Kanohi masks carry temporary imprints of the wearer so that the body can be remade.

 

But how were there bodies remade? And what lets the Kanohi mask know that it's time to trigger the regeneration process?

Has this ever been explained or am I thinking too hard about it all?

[The 1st Shadow]

In the case of Jaller, Takutanuva used a part of his own lifeforce to trigger Jaller's restoration. With Takanuva, there was no such instance, so we go by the book description and say that he survived by splitting the fusion and leaping out of the way while Teridax got crushed--hence, Takanuva needed no reviving, since there was no other means by which to do so.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

In the case of Jaller, Takutanuva used a part of his own lifeforce to trigger Jaller's restoration.

 

Okay, that makes sense.

 

 

 

With Takanuva, there was no such instance, so we go by the book description and say that he survived by splitting the fusion and leaping out of the way while Teridax got crushed

 

And since I assume the book was based off the script... I guess that's the way it happened.

 

But what's the use of a Kanohi holding an imprint? Isn't the Red Star supposed to be reviving Matoran anyway? Are there machines somewhere that restore the bodies?

[The 1st Shadow]

 

In the case of Jaller, Takutanuva used a part of his own lifeforce to trigger Jaller's restoration.

 

Okay, that makes sense.

 

 

 

With Takanuva, there was no such instance, so we go by the book description and say that he survived by splitting the fusion and leaping out of the way while Teridax got crushed

 

And since I assume the book was based off the script... I guess that's the way it happened.

 

But what's the use of a Kanohi holding an imprint? Isn't the Red Star supposed to be reviving Matoran anyway? Are there machines somewhere that restore the bodies?

 

It's a backup in case the RS fails to perform properly. Also, the RS and the Kestora take time to do their job, so if you have the mask on hand at the time of their death, then there are ways to restore them, but we don't know exactly what they are.

 

The way I see it is that the RS doesn't teleport the bodies up right away--it takes time. It also takes time for the imprint to fade from a Kanohi. Perhaps the body gets sent up when the imprint fades. Like, "Okay, no one down there is gonna bring him back. Time for us to do it," sort of thing.

[Jedi Knight Krazy]

I remember in the film they did some weird ritual where they stood on the UDD symbol to revive Takanuva. Visually, it would make sense for some life energy to be involved there, but it raises a lot more questions, too. Could that have been a prototype Red Star? What was it doing in Mangaia, though? And if Vakama knew it was there, why didn't he use it for Lhikan? Then again, while Vakama definitely knew how to use it, he really didn't appear to have a clue what it did (he said something about awakening the Great Spirit - nope, Takanuva).

 

Wow, I'm rambling worse than usual here. Time to leave before it gets worse!

Edited August 19, 2015 by Jedi Knight Krazy

[Rahkshi Lalonde]

It's a plot device that literally never appeared again.

[Ballom Nom Nom]

It's a plot device that literally never appeared again.

In addition, this stuff about "imprints" and the related babble is all a retcon to explain in pseudo-sci-fi terms something that originally was a fantasy element before the story did in the wizard.

 

~B~

[Unit#phntk#1]

I believe at some point Greg retconned the movie scene with the UDD ritual and told us to go by the book's description of that scene, although BS01 says he was revived.

 

 

~Unit#phntk#1

[Rahkshi Lalonde]

Greg makes an awful lot of retcons for a guy who thought sand was too confusing for kids to understand. o:

Edited August 19, 2015 by Rahkshi Lalonde

[The 1st Shadow]

I remember in the film they did some weird ritual where they stood on the UDD symbol to revive Takanuva. Visually, it would make sense for some life energy to be involved there, but it raises a lot more questions, too. Could that have been a prototype Red Star? What was it doing in Mangaia, though? And if Vakama knew it was there, why didn't he use it for Lhikan? Then again, while Vakama definitely knew how to use it, he really didn't appear to have a clue what it did (he said something about awakening the Great Spirit - nope, Takanuva).

 

Wow, I'm rambling worse than usual here. Time to leave before it gets worse!

Which is why we go by the book.

[fishers64]

Who is this we?

 

As far as I recall, no we don't. Hapka's books contain a fair number of semi-canon elements, and the movies take precedence over the books.

 

(Except in the case of Web of Shadows.)

[Rahkshi Lalonde]

Who is this we?

 

As far as I recall, no we don't. Hapka's books contain a fair number of semi-canon elements, and the movies take precedence over the books.

 

(Except in the case of Web of Shadows.)

 

Also Un-Fusion is just a cheap tactic to make weak plot points stronger.

[The 1st Shadow]

Who is this we?

 

As far as I recall, no we don't. Hapka's books contain a fair number of semi-canon elements, and the movies take precedence over the books.

 

(Except in the case of Web of Shadows.)

Which one made more sense, though? Magic floor painting in the lair of the Makuta that not one of them should have known how to use? Or splitting a fusion, which has been done multiple times? The movie version of that scene makes no sense at all, and was done that way to have a visual appeal. While the book was adapted from an earlier version of the script, it still makes more sense and did a better job of explaining the process than the movie did.

 

Book.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Has Greg ever stated explicitly that the bodies of the deceased are transported in their entirety to the Red Star?

Is it possible that this imprint is all that goes to the Red Star, and the bodies are recreated there from that data sent?

[The 1st Shadow]

Has Greg ever stated explicitly that the bodies of the deceased are transported in their entirety to the Red Star?

 

Is it possible that this imprint is all that goes to the Red Star, and the bodies are recreated there from that data sent?

Yes, it's the whole body, but it takes a while. Having the mask present is just a bonus and theoretically makes the process easier.

[fishers64]

What I remembered was this: http://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/14501-takanuvas-revival/
 
http://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/4506-what-i-didnt-get-about-mol/
 
Not very helpful, so: 
 

19. What was the purpose of putting Jalle, Takanuva, and Hahli in the virtue "spots"? Was it just to revive Takanuva, open a gateway of some sort?  
 
 19b. How was Takanuva revived exactly? Was there something in the virtue "spots"?  
 
19) I did not write the movie or the novelization of it, so I really can't answer this

 
Bleh.

[Timageness]

One of my previous theories on the subject was that Takanuva knew (somehow) that he couldn't hold up the door forever, and thus infused Jaller's Kanohi with enough of Teridax's life force to also revive himself later in the event that he died and Jaller came into close proximity of the Avohkii again. Since fusions produced via Energised Protodermis have been known to have abilities that none of their component beings had (The Golden Skinned Being, for example), it's entirely possible that Takutanuva had the ability to peer into the future and see his own demise... but it's also just as likely that it was merely a byproduct of quick thinking and common sense.

Oh, and I recall reading somewhere (possibly on BS01) that beings fused together in that fashion were unable to separate themselves via normal methods, so unless Teridax's Kaita Diffusion ability works on all fused beings, no matter the method, then the novelisation's version of the scene doesn't make a whole lot of sense, either.

[Petewa]

Maybe Mata Nui was temporarily awakened, but felt his time would be better spent reviving Takanuva and sleeping.

[Taria Pakari]

It's a plot device that literally never appeared again.

 

Deus Ex Machina at its finest.

[Hidron Nuva]

I've awlays wondered if there's another Jaller in the Red Star, living his life as a Matoran and such. Who knows if the Red Star can be used for creating clones and clones of certain characters.

 

Anyway, I believe some details of the story just shouldn't be considered 100% canon - it's easier than making up all this 'mask imprint' thing. There are too many details created ad hoc in the Bionicle story IMHO.

Edited August 27, 2015 by Hidron Nuva

[Guardian Legend]

In the case of Jaller, Takutanuva used a part of his own lifeforce to trigger Jaller's restoration. With Takanuva, there was no such instance, so we go by the book description and say that he survived by splitting the fusion and leaping out of the way while Teridax got crushed--hence, Takanuva needed no reviving, since there was no other means by which to do so.

That's how I always saw it too. I just figured the Takutanuva using up some of his life force to revive Jaller ended up  weakening him to the point where the fusion split. Takanuva shot out in one direction, and Teridax under the door that crushed his armor.