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It is indeed my first game. Ah well, that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.

RNG means Random Number Generator, doesn't it? I didn't realize that until now. Where did we establish that part of the game?

I second this motion!

You are assuming that Axonn knew of all the Order's activities, which given its covert nature, seems rather unlikely. Furthermore, Voya Nui was quite isolated, in or outside of Mata Nui. Axonn didn't even know Krakua's identity in Destiny War. Axonn and Brutaka were guardians, not proactive agents. There was no need for them to know of the fallout of Kojol's invasion of Artahka. But let's assume that Axnn did know of the murders. What was he to do? Attempt to take on the entire Order Mata Nui? Hypocritically murder Helryx? Quit in disgust and leave the Ignika, the most powerful and dangerous artifact in the Matoran Universe, potentially vulnerable? Knowing of an atrocity and not attempting to ameliorate the consequent situation does not necessarily equate to consenting to its occurrence. Additionally, I seem to recall that Brutaka, during the 2006 storyline, saw Axonn as a quixotic crusader for useless values, not as a hypocritical would-be murderer.

Ah, but the Ignika will be killed, and then you'll get a chance to die all over again.

It's a pity it had to be this way, though I understand why you made this choice. You were a fine leader, and it was a pleasure serving under you. Thank you.

Toa K, would you mind posting a revised, more specific explanation of the rules? Every time I think that I understand this game, something comes out of the wood-works to confuse me. It seems to me that the OP neglects to mention several aspects of the rules, and is rather vague about others.

Mind you, the killing is being done by Helryx, not Tuyet.

Multi-lynching makes no sense in the context of this Mafia game. In a normal Mafia fame, it is well within the power of the players to hang multiple players. In this game, however, the villagers are not employing frontier justice but using a hitman in the form of Helryx. If Helryx could kill multiple targets in one night, voting would be pointless.

Please do that, please. That would make my day. Obviously the Turaga would have to null, but if you figure out which ones are fused and only vote one of those two, you can still kill everybody but Ahkmou. Votes: iBrow: 1 Malignus: 1 Vote switches: MT Zehvor You're joking, right? Otherwise, the Brotherhood doesn't have a chance.

I think I get it now: A player can reveal his identity to anyone, but it is usually best for him not to do so because of the mole, correct?

Mata Nui, a Great Spirit? Surely you jest, oh Mighty One. Now I'm confused. What was the point of Gorast being able to accidentally kill Teridax, then? Rest assured, I know better than speak snidely to a Great Spirit. Though I had been wondering about that. I was worried that I was missing something.

What's this, dissent? Come to think of it, it worked pretty well the last time. But even so, that's hardly a precedent! As for decimating freedom and choice, well, that's one of those trite, perpetually unfulfilled, political promises. Do you really think that you will gather a following so easily? No-one ever overthrew a titanic robotic overlord with mere political legerdemain.

With all due respect, if you are indeed the ruler of our Brotherhood (mind you, I am inclined to doubt the legitimacy of any self-proclaimed anti-competitive emperor,) then you would do well not to proclaim your position in a such a way that all may hear. I am not even certain if our resident Great Spirit permits such a proclamation. Of course, I understand that you may well be trying to mislead the simple-minded villagers, so as to further the aims of our glorious organization.

Thanks for the clarification! A few more questions: Chirox's armor is only useful against turncoat Makuta, seeing as the villagers cannot lethally target (save lynching,) correct? Also, concerning the corruption of Takanuva, I presume that this action takes the place of a normal kill. In other words, Teridax, Antroz (if acting as leader,) or Bitil can choose, instead of lethally targeting a player, to non-lethally target him in the hopes that he is Takanuva? Finally, "Kuhrahk's target gives into their anger and kills their own target regardless of their intentions." This means that Kuhrahk's target kills the player he has voted to lynch, right?

For the sake of clarification, when does Bitil kill? Can he kill of his own volition, or does he do so at the behest of Teridax?

I wish to join the Brotherhood.

The Inika never defeated the Piraka. They came close in the assault on their stronghold, but they were defeated by the super-powered Thok and Hakann (and it should be noted, given that four of the Piraka were planning to steal Brutaka's power, that only Vezok and Zaktan were fully invested in the fighting.) But that aside, I agree, both times we seals were used were as last resorts. Anything other than the imprisonment of the enemy came as an unintended side-effect. The Metru were not trying to torture Makuta, merely stop him from killing them. Similarly, the Nuva were merely attempting to save their island from an overwhelming horde.

Actually, Karzahni tortured him by showing him a reality in which he didn't die for Takua. Also, his death is not a relevant example, as by that point the Red Star had malfunctioned and was out of common knowledge (if it had ever been there in the first place.) But as Bonesii said, this shouldn't become a discussion thread, so I'm leaving the matter here.

@Yaldabaoth I believe we were discussing the Brotherhood prior to the Star's malfunction, under the assumption that everyone who died was revived and, consequently, everyone knew about the Star's functions. Mind you, it's a point that I'm not entirely convinced of, but which I was accepting for the sake of argument. @Bonesii Fair enough. Though for the record, I was putting myself in the proverbial shoes, I just came to different conclusion than you did.

No, provided death is akin to being operated on whilst under anesthesia. If you are released battered and bruised, you are going to give a good deal more thought to what you went through, since the pain continues.

However, death is not necessary for pain. In fact, I would imagine that much more pain can be inflicted by non-fatal blows. As for psychology, I would think that waking up in a fresh body, out of the clutches of one's tormentors, after experiencing much pain, would be a great relief.

No, I do not think dying is an effective torture. One must be alive to experience pain. And awakening in a fresh body severely detracts from the psychological impact of the torture. Why not let your prisoner live and suffer while his body and mind heal?

But if the execution was not permanent, then it was merely a reprieve from punishment. Surely the kind of torture from which the victim gets immediate relief is a rather ineffective type? Torture is a means of coercion or determent. Surely either of these would be harder to achieve when the victim feels as if he has never been tortured the next time he wakes up? EDIT: @@N.S.M.8 That's an interesting point. It hadn't occurred to me, but it makes sense. The question assumed that the Brotherhood knew of the Red Star revival system, but it's possible that Greg did not. Someone should definitely ask him for a clearer answer.

But surely the usual purpose of execution is to quell crime or dissent? If the Brotherhood did not want to remove the threat beyond all doubt, why bother killing them? If the purpose was to make an example whilst not permanently killing the prisoner, why grant him a reprieve from his suffering by temporarily killing him and sending his body to be repaired or replaced on the Red Star? On a side note: What is BS01's basis for saying that Gaardus' transformation occurred "Over 80,000 years ago?"