How Come The Good Guys Always Win?

[Devorath]

WHY do the the toa always win? Granted, they had setbacks, but they alwayswon. Why????

[Makuta_of_Oz]

Because they're destined to. BTW, let's not forget what happened at the end of 2008: Teridax won overall by taking over the universe.

[Astrotorical]

How many series can you validly, in all truth, say that the Bad-Guy took over the Universe? Bionicle is one of the few that exist that allowed the evil to win.Star Wars- The PurgeBionicle- The Death of Mata NuiAvatar (JC)- Destruction of the Soul Treethe bad guys some times win, but in the endThe good guys often win for the simple fact they are supposed to.

[Harvali]

Right, in fact Teridax planned for most of his defeats, knowing that with each lose he would get closer to his real goal. So in truth the heroes rarely ever "won, " they just though they had.

[toa kopaka4372]

Because they're destined to. BTW, let's not forget what happened at the end of 2008: Teridax won overall by taking over the universe.

This. Also, if you think about it, the Toa do not win as often as you think. A few examples: -Lesovivik's entire team were killed in a battle against Zyglak. Only Lesovivik survived.-All the Toa who guarded the fortress with the Makoki Stone were killed, with the exception of Lhikan (who was later killed by Teridax)-When the Toa Hagah rebelled, all of the teams were either killed or corrupted, with the exception of Teridax's Toa Hagah team.-All the Toa Mangai were killed, except Lhikan, Nidhiki, and Tuyet, were killed by Dark Hunters. Nidhiki and Lihikan were later killed by Teridax.-Lariska killed a Toa of Sonics before.-Hakann and Avak had killed a Toa before.-Most of the Alternate Shadow Takanuva's were killed when the Order of Mata Nui attacked Destral.-Nektann killed three Toa in the Battle of Bara Magna. Also, the Toa never really won against the Brotherhood of Makuta. Sure, there were minor wins, but the Toa never won a decisive victory. They never really seriously threatened the Brotherhood of Makuta. In fact, it wasn't even Toa who took down the Brotherhood; it was the Order of Mata Nui. The Brotherhood's defeat in that war was its first and last major loss. Teridax was only set back by Toa twice: When the Toa Hagah rebelled and fough him, and when the Toa Metru imprisoned him. By defeating Roodaka, Vakama freed Teridax. When the Toa Mata defeated the Rahi and Bohrok, it was just meant test them and then delay them. Takanuva never defeated Teridax, in a sense. Teridax let the Matoran go back to Metru Nui. Also, everything to Toa did in the Ignition saga (2006-2008) was exactly what Teridax wanted. He even allied with Mataro at one point. The great irony is that by achieving their destiny, the Toa doomed their universe despite Krika' efforts to stop it. And they really did doom it, because the Matoran Universe eventually died with Teridax. Even the Order of Mata Nui's victory in crushing the Brotherhood was an advantage for Teridax, since his competition was eliminated for him. Mata Nui was the one who bought Teridax down in the end , although he did have help from Tahu. Toa have been killed all over the place in BIONICLE. Some of them became corrupted, and some didn't even follow the Toa Code. The point is, organizations like the Dark Hunters and the Brotherhood of Makuta have defeated Toa much more than the Toa had ever defeated them. Ironic, as many of the Toa's"victories" were fixed. Don't forget that there are now less than 50 Toa in existence. Edited October 22, 2011 by toa kopaka4372

[Harvali]

Well there are exceptionS to the many wins of evil, for instance new character Zaria actually killed a Makuta once. You may think that as only two Makuta are left that is nothing, but remember that all other known Makuta deaths were either by the Karda-Nui storms(6) fellow Makuta(7), Order of Mata-Nui(2), or being crushed by a moon(much like Chewbacca). So I would consider Zaria's victory, while overall small compared with Teridax's true plan, to be a small win. His people were actually hunted down because Toa of Iron had the potential to kill Makuta, they won't want him around. So his very existence is a victory. But pretty much everything was according to Makuta's plan.

Edited October 22, 2011 by Tanma

[BULiK]

But pretty much everything was according to Makuta's plan.

except the whole"getting crushed by the moon" part

[Harvali]

But pretty much everything was according to Makuta's plan.

except the whole"getting crushed by the moon" part

True enough. Though his plan had already succeeded, and he might not have planned too far beyond that. When you be ome a physical god, you don't usually have to worry about dangers. Once the plan ended he might not have excepted that anything could harm him, so he didn't plan ahead. At that point he was free styling.

[vulpelibrorum]

I don't know... It's just not quite satisfying to end the story with Teridax killing or enslaving all the Toa and Matoran and eventually taking over the universe.

[Zarohum]

Oh, please. Think about Hero Factory. Every time the heroes get their butts kicked, they get new armor, equipment, weapons, etc, or just get upgraded every few weeks. In Bionicle, the heroes didn't always win, and when they did, they just fell into Makuta's trap. It took Mata Nui to win.

[Visaru]

Because they have to. Imagine if the story ended with teridax winning and everyone dying.

[GSR]

As noted above, the good guys haven't always won, or at the very least never had a decisive victory. If you mean the ending, I appreciate works that are dark enough to pull off the villain winning (if done well), but do keep in mind this is a children's toyline.

[Erebus]

There were over 200 Toa at one time, so to be decreased to 50 or so Toa is not really a setback. The good and evil always had victories on their side.

[Zarohum]

Ok, how about this? 6 canisters wash ashore on the tropical island of Mata Nui. They ventured forth, until meeting the leaders of six villages. The Turaga sent them on a quest to find the masks of power. But Kopaka was crushed by an avalanche, Gali was killed by a Tarakava, Tahu got bitten to death by a bunch of fikou, Pohatu got eaten by a Muaka, Onua fell off a cliff, and Lewa was carried off by a Rama swarm. Yaaaaay! Well, at least this 6-month toyline wasn't childish. The Toa win, it gets boring. The bad guys win, and the story ends. I think having neither side really win was a good idea that really kept the story going. Think about Star Wars. The sith were defeated when the first dark Jedi left the order, but they were killed in a few days. Then there would be no story. Harry Potter, Lilly and James Potter kill Voldemort. No story. The Toa never completely won. Mata Nui killed Teridax, but now the great beings and Kestora are after them. Nobody has really won in Bionicle. Not in a way that matters.

Edited October 22, 2011 by Zarohum

[Scrash]

Audiences usually demand that the side of good wins in the end. If Bionicle had ended with Teridax taking over everything, there'd have been a storm of backlash from the fandom, likely.

[Shadow Kurahk]

I think BIONICLE did one of the best jobs of balancing the amount of victories on each side. In retrospect, like people said earlier, most of Makuta's losses were part of his ultimate plan and did bring him one step closer each time. And would you have rather they ended the series with all the good characters dying and Makuta reigning over Spherus Magna? I think not. -SK

[Lewa0111 Nuva]

Makuta Teridax says hi: So do the Piraka, pre-Inika. They. BEAT. The Toa Nuva. In what could pretty much be considered a complete curb-stomp. They only lost to the Inika because they weren't expecting them. Also, the Skrall won at the Battle of Atero, and the Bohrok-Kal also defeated the Nuva, multiple times. Sure, the good guys won overall, but then again, would the story ending with Makuta conquering Spherus Magna and killing Mata Nui really have been a better ending? Yeah, the good guys won in the end, but it wasn't like they won every battle and every conflict they faced. Lewa0111 Nuva

[Makuta_of_Oz]

There were over 200 Toa at one time, so to be decreased to 50 or so Toa is not really a setback. The good and evil always had victories on their side.

I thought there were over 3,000 Toa in existence at one point! Back in those days, 300 Toa participated in one battle alone in the Toa/Dark Hunter War!

[Erebus]

You're right about the 3,000 Toa. I think it was mentioned in the Atlas or one of the guidebooks, which I don't have.

[Akuna Toa of Sonics]

The Makuta related battles after Teridax formulated his plan that were lost were intentional.The good guys still won in the end, though.

[Triggons]

Good guys win because that's the way it works, even in reality. Good guys will always outnumber the bad guys, therefore they always win. However, we did get a glimpse of what life would be like if evil had won (when Teridax completed his plan), and it was pretty cool. I guess you could say they win the battles, but they lose the war.

Edited March 28, 2012 by Triggons

[Devorath]

Really, bitten to death by some fikou? Honestly, even with Teridax controlling them Fikou? Tahu?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

So that the story works. If I were to make the story, it'd be more of a fifty-fifty outcome, where no one really wins.

[Harvali]

Makuta Teridax says hi: So do the Piraka, pre-Inika. They. BEAT. The Toa Nuva. In what could pretty much be considered a complete curb-stomp. They only lost to the Inika because they weren't expecting them. Also, the Skrall won at the Battle of Atero, and the Bohrok-Kal also defeated the Nuva, multiple times. Sure, the good guys won overall, but then again, would the story ending with Makuta conquering Spherus Magna and killing Mata Nui really have been a better ending? Yeah, the good guys won in the end, but it wasn't like they won every battle and every conflict they faced. Lewa0111 Nuva

It gets worse, not only did the Toa Nuva lose to the Piraka, they also fought a bunch of poorly repaired Matoran to a standstill. There were less Matoran than Toa Nuva, and it still was a tie. Not to mention that Dalu actually turned Gali insane. Gali, insane. The Toa Nuva only survived because Balta and Onua got the two sides to stop fighting. Sure, the Toa Nuva can take down hordes of Shadow Matoran and eight Makuta with only Takanuva, three Av-Matoran, and a mask as back up, but a bunch of Matoran can take them down. Adaptive Armor can't make that much of a difference.

[Relapse]

Really, bitten to death by some fikou? Honestly, even with Teridax controlling them Fikou? Tahu?

I seriously question your relevance.I'd actually like it if the Makuta killed most of the Toa. XD I like Makuta MUCH more than these 'Knights of the round table' fighting for Mata Nui.