EmperorWhenua Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 No, it's not. The force you are exerting on the rock is being cancelled by the fact that you're standing on the rock. It's like the analogy of a person with his feet on a door as he tries to pull the door open: The forces cancel out and the object doesn't move. BZPRPG Profiles / Critical Acclaim / Complaints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunflower Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Is it possible to use a Matatu to turn a rock into a hoverboard?--- Er, no. Its the same thing with using you element (say Stone) to create a [stone] hoverboard. It just doesn't work. As Mr. Littlefinger said above. - BZPRPG - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- JL - Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 You could get someone else's Matatu to make both the board and the person to hover. GT: Jl1223 X <----add me :3 (╯◕_◕)╯ BZPRPG Profiles 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axilus Prime Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 You could get someone else's Matatu to make both the board and the person to hover.---Yeah, but then what's the point of making the rock hover? XD Anyway, glad I asked first, seeing as the answer was no. Thanks. (Tosses another Character Idea into the wastebasket) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Xemnas~ Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Well, my internet's officially entirely fixed, so I can rejoin you guys again. Can someone give me a quick recap of the last two days? BZPRPG Profiles Ghosts of Bara Magna Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constructelf Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 @TNG: You could always make a toa of magnetism and have him carry a board around with him everywhere.@Xemnas: Nothing too big happened I don't think. You only missed the end of the Le-Koro attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axilus Prime Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 @Constructman, I think the same "forces cancelling each other out" problem would apply there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- JL - Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 No, it wouldn't, because the user is metal as well. GT: Jl1223 X <----add me :3 (╯◕_◕)╯ BZPRPG Profiles 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmperorWhenua Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 The toa would still be using his power on the board to raise it up with the toa on it, cancelling the power out. Certain elementalists can use magnetism on themselves for limited flight (Echelon is an an example), but that renders it pointless for a board which wouldn't work anyway. BZPRPG Profiles / Critical Acclaim / Complaints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- JL - Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 The toa would still be using his power on the board to raise it up with the toa on it, cancelling the power out. Certain elementalists can use magnetism on themselves for limited flight (Echelon is an an example), but that renders it pointless for a board which wouldn't work anyway.Really? That seems a bit weird. I mean, Magnetism created by the Toa would be an external force. GT: Jl1223 X <----add me :3 (╯◕_◕)╯ BZPRPG Profiles 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Scientist BioBeast Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Are there any PC Ko-Koro Guards at the Ko-Koro Prison? (Or any Ko-Koro guards actually at Ko-Koro for that matter...) "I'll do it... If that is the choice of Stein's Gate!I am the mad scientist, Hououin Kyouma!Fooling the world is nothing to me!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constructelf Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I'm going to make one soon. It will be Mata Nui's first Anzaros citizen (besides Tabby's). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let's Henshin! Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 On the board discussion, if you guys want a hover board just make a Vortixx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axilus Prime Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Oh yeah... But then the hoverboard would probably shoot Zamors or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistergryphon Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Hello....how would I got about starting my character? Is there a sheet I should fill out or something to have a character? I'd like to join BZRPG but I'm not sure what to do first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- JL - Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) @MisterGryphon, Head over to the BZPRPG Profile Pages thread. The first post gives you a guide, and then a 'sheet' which you can either use, or create your own one from. Then, just post the 'sheet' onto the thread, and you can start! Always nice to have more players. (Xbox 360 is still better though) Edited December 16, 2012 by JL v2 GT: Jl1223 X <----add me :3 (╯◕_◕)╯ BZPRPG Profiles 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunflower Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Toa of Magnetism, just like Gravity, have elemental powers that allow them limited flight. This is because it is an external force indirectly acting upon the user. In the case of magnetism, the user would simply have to create a magnetic field, thus pulling anything metal (their armor) towards (or along) it. Just as they use magnetism to move metal around. They aren't moving the metal itself, but are moving something that effects the metal. Using it on a board that one stands on is just redundant and pointless. Same goes with gravity. Flight would not be possible with Iron or other elements because of the "both feet on door" situation. - BZPRPG - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- JL - Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Toa of Magnetism, just like Gravity, have elemental powers that allow them limited flight. This is because it is an external force indirectly acting upon the user. In the case of magnetism, the user would simply have to create a magnetic field, thus pulling anything metal (their armor) towards (or along) it. Just as they use magnetism to move metal around. They aren't moving the metal itself, but are moving something that effects the metal. Using it on a board that one stands on is just redundant and pointless. Same goes with gravity. Flight would not be possible with Iron or other elements because of the "both feet on door" situation.... Well, don't know if you're agreeing or disagreeing. We still have the Lhikan -fire-sword-flight-board thing. GT: Jl1223 X <----add me :3 (╯◕_◕)╯ BZPRPG Profiles 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relapse Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I absolutely disagree with using magnetism to fly. It's overpowered and cheap, even when Echelon did it. BZPRPG ProfilesIC: "It comes with the job," Halfimus explained, "I'm not paid enough to give anything outside quick flavour descriptions." So pay me more AuRon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunflower Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Well, don't know if you're agreeing or disagreeing. We still have the Lhikan -fire-sword-flight-board thing.--- Flight was a power of the board itself, not his elemental power. I absolutely disagree with using magnetism to fly. It's overpowered and cheap, even when Echelon did it.--- Using magnetism to fly is perfectly logical (and cool, imho). I'd even ask why you think it is overpowered. - BZPRPG - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARROW404 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Toa of Air can fly with their powers, though, can't they? Or does that have to be coupled with a Miru/Kadin? BZPRPG Profiles If I go AWOL for a while, feel free to contact me via Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmperorWhenua Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Toa of Air can use their powers to control air currents, but they cannot fly unless they have tools that allow for it or wear a Miru. A Kadin would let anyone fly, Air or not, so that's besides the point. BZPRPG Profiles / Critical Acclaim / Complaints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relapse Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Because magnetism doesn't work like regular iron manipulation. Magnetism is either a push or pull. Repelling off of dirt or rock is entirely impossible. You can't do that with a magnet, can you?I've seen it explained as "Oh, I'm repelling off of the iron deep in the earth!"Yeah, that's so deep, you'd have to be below sea level to even know its there. Recognizing its existence, using it to fly consistently, and somehow not staggering at every turn is overpowered and very unrealistic. BZPRPG ProfilesIC: "It comes with the job," Halfimus explained, "I'm not paid enough to give anything outside quick flavour descriptions." So pay me more AuRon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunflower Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Toa of Air can fly with their powers, though, can't they? Or does that have to be coupled with a Miru/Kadin?--- Toa of Air cannot fly with their powers, but I'm sure they could blast themselves off the ground with a strong enough burst. A Kadin/Miru is needed for actual flight. - BZPRPG - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constructelf Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Toa of air could fly using strong winds but without a glider like tool (like matau's aero slicers), it would be extremely inefficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Tip for newbies. NO TREE SWORDS. HAVE RESPECT FOR LAWN ENFORCEMENT. No such thing as destiny. BZPRPG Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constructelf Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) Because magnetism doesn't work like regular iron manipulation. Magnetism is either a push or pull. Repelling off of dirt or rock is entirely impossible. You can't do that with a magnet, can you?I've seen it explained as "Oh, I'm repelling off of the iron deep in the earth!"Yeah, that's so deep, you'd have to be below sea level to even know its there. Recognizing its existence, using it to fly consistently, and somehow not staggering at every turn is overpowered and very unrealistic. A way to work around this would be to stand on your sword/shield/staff/whatever and use that to repel yourself off. And when people use magnetism to fly, I think it's more like dangling off of a string than being pushed off of the ground. Toa of Magnetism don't need existing iron to push/pull off of. Edited December 16, 2012 by Constructman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let's Henshin! Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Hello....how would I got about starting my character? Is there a sheet I should fill out or something to have a character? I'd like to join BZRPG but I'm not sure what to do first. Welcome to the BZPRPG, first off you have Haruhi as your avatar that's awesome. Now if you want to join read the rules, then head over to the profile page, there you'll find everything you need for making a character. If you have anymore questions feel free to drop me a PM. It's nice to see a new member join and we hope you have fun here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunflower Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Because magnetism doesn't work like regular iron manipulation. Magnetism is either a push or pull. Repelling off of dirt or rock is entirely impossible. You can't do that with a magnet, can you?I've seen it explained as "Oh, I'm repelling off of the iron deep in the earth!"Yeah, that's so deep, you'd have to be below sea level to even know its there. Recognizing its existence, using it to fly consistently, and somehow not staggering at every turn is overpowered and very unrealistic.--- ... Who in the world would even think about using magnetism to fly by pushing off metal deep in the earth? A Toa of Magnetism would certainly not have to do this in order to fly. A simple enough magnetic field set up in the air would direct their armored bodies along with length, thus, flight. Toa of Magnetism do not need to use metal to create their own element. A Toa of Lightning creating an electromagnetic field would need metal to channel electricity through in order to create it, but they are indirectly creating magnetism. - BZPRPG - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relapse Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) Constructman: A string attached to what, exactly?Gravity: I believe it was Ghosthands who came up with that. I don't remember well, it may have been JL.The problem with that is simple: keeping up a constant field. Breaking concentration would kill you, and keeping it up all the time with leave you unconscious.On top of that, think about this: You armor is actively working to get away from your non-metal parts. It would be pulling at your muscle tissues and causing all sorts of damage. Edited December 16, 2012 by Relapse BZPRPG ProfilesIC: "It comes with the job," Halfimus explained, "I'm not paid enough to give anything outside quick flavour descriptions." So pay me more AuRon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palm Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Greg F said Toa of Magnetism can fly.The end. | BZPRPG Profiles | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARROW404 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 On top of that, think about this: You armor is actively working to get away from your non-metal parts. It would be pulling at your muscle tissues and causing all sorts of damage.Not if it's encasing you. In that case it's more like you're just inside a bag that's moving. BZPRPG Profiles If I go AWOL for a while, feel free to contact me via Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constructelf Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Basically what Gravity said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARROW404 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Greg F said Toa of Magnetism can fly.The end.---Well that makes it simple. BZPRPG Profiles If I go AWOL for a while, feel free to contact me via Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constructelf Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 If only we had more simple conclusions like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunflower Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Yay for simple conclusions. Besides, its not just their armor they're effecting, but their bodies. Helps to be made out of metal, eh? - BZPRPG - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) Greg F said Toa of Magnetism can fly.The end.Might I remind the player populace that Greg F also said MU beings don't require conventional food, as opposed to the ruling in this game that MU denizens may consume as their players like. While I'm not taking either side here, I don't believe that this is canon. Canon powers have been banned or tweaked before. It's imprudent to assume that Word of Greg F equates to Word of Nuju. Admittedly, I see little reason for him to contradict that ruling in particular, but the fact is the answer isn't as simple as it seems regardless if he agrees or not. Edited December 16, 2012 by Norman Efiks [Profiles] Wisdom. Restraint. Emptiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friar Tuck Posted December 16, 2012 Author Share Posted December 16, 2012 In the elemental power descriptions, both Gravity and Magnetism state that this power offers LIMITED flight due to the natural properties of that element (manipulating magnetic fields or by altering the gravitational pull on an object). However, as stated, it is limited and cumbersome, and anyone with a Masks of Flight could run circles around them. That is the Official Bzprpg stance on the subject. Discussion done. Living large... like clown-shoe size large. Complete with nose, rainbow-colored hair, and a bottle of seltzer water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- JL - Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Constructman: A string attached to what, exactly?Gravity: I believe it was Ghosthands who came up with that. I don't remember well, it may have been JL.The problem with that is simple: keeping up a constant field. Breaking concentration would kill you, and keeping it up all the time with leave you unconscious.On top of that, think about this: You armor is actively working to get away from your non-metal parts. It would be pulling at your muscle tissues and causing all sorts of damage.It was Tuck who said that (Electro)magnetic fields by Toa of Lightning need metal going through them. Although, Electricity always comes with magnetism anyway. GT: Jl1223 X <----add me :3 (╯◕_◕)╯ BZPRPG Profiles 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorikSigma Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Yes, but an Electricity Toa will only control the electricity, and the mag is a side-effect, so he can only control.it with an extensive knowledge on the subject. BZPRPG ARC 3 / Breaking Point Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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