Toast of Awesomeness Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I know. I'm Cherokee. Haha. But I don't know any of my family that still follow the old beliefs, and I don't think it's a large enough group to be offended. By that logic, we have to cut everything cause it'll offend the neopagans. Quote Well, would you just look at that? I'm a piece of toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 So... Because your family doesn't follow the old beliefs, no significant number does? Or do the ones that do just not matter? Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast of Awesomeness Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I'm just saying, I've never met anyone who has. I really don't think it's common or widespread enough to be a factor here, maybe just the very oldest ones. But honestly, I don't think anyone's going to get offended.However, Cherokee wasn't planned anyway, until Alex brought it up. And I'll let TPTI argue for Shinto, he explained it better. Quote Well, would you just look at that? I'm a piece of toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Vonn Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) Shinto, however, the Japanese are comfortable with making video games about. So I think it's okay.We Americans made Darksiders, based kinda sorta off of Christianity.Just because someone makes a video game off of a religion doesn't mean it's ok for this site. If you gave me a day I could bring up a handful of games based off of Christianity and/or it's derivatives, but I don't see it being included in this RPG.So you're going include Shinto, something practiced today, but not at least Cherokee mythos? :|just a wee bit hung up on the cherokee, are wei'd like to say that just because a video game was made in japan doesn't mean japan unanimously decided on it- bet you a dollar they got complaints. Edited January 31, 2012 by ~JC~ Quote 3DS: 3711-9364-3152 PSN: AidecVoros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xomeron Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) Why not just go the Civilization route, allow commonly worshiped religions and put a tag that says "we're gamers, not theologians, don't get upset over this!" ?Although if we allowed modern religions we'd still need to either ban Monotheist religions as a "God Of Everything" is so overpowered, or define certain aspects said gods have. Edited January 31, 2012 by King Of Shadows Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Shoosh, you. Modern religions ain't happening. No tag about us not being theologians would make [redacted] fighting [redacted] any less offensive to some people on this site. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xomeron Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Would entirely fictional gods who have never been seriously worshiped by anyone be allowed? Because I would absolutely love to play as one of the Chaos Gods from Warhammer. Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast of Awesomeness Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I like your idea, Xom, about the tag, but yeah, we're only using polytheistic religions.A god like that would fall under the new gods, which will be explained when we post the draft. Quote Well, would you just look at that? I'm a piece of toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bundalings Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I met someone that worships Odin recently. Interesting! Quote I want to THRIVE Not just survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrd Bid Ful Araed Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Why not just go the Civilization route, allow commonly worshiped religions and put a tag that says "we're gamers, not theologians, don't get upset over this!" ?Because it won't work. You ever see any of the attempts to make a His Dark Materials topic? Most of them had to be closed because people (on both sides, mind) just would not let it lie. If we are going to do a Native American mythology then personally I'd prefer Navajo. Apart from it covering a wider area than Cherokee and Iroquois combined it means you can have mortal characters actually matching god players through the various Navajo witchcrafts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) *shrug* If Cherokee won't go Navajo is fine I guess. I'd just like to see something other than 'hah Aztecs we've got two continents covered!'. Edited January 31, 2012 by Sweetroll Thief Alex Humva Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrd Bid Ful Araed Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 No, Aztecs are being regionalised to Mexico, I think ToA wanted North America to be the main 'battleground' of the RPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I wasn't assuming you guys were going have the Aztecs stretching both continents, simply that out of the two you only had the Aztecs. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comment Expired Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Shinto, however, the Japanese are comfortable with making video games about. So I think it's okay.No, it's not okay. People use Christian themes and symbology in videogames all the time.By treating Shinto differently you delegitimize it. That's not respectful. Quote Tumblr: Where facts and logic go to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kothra Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) Prototype Strith Karla map, Civ V style.[Link]If you want specific terrain features on you island, tell me or I'll just choose something that feels right. Edited February 4, 2012 by Kothra: Sweetroll Thief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Okay. Rocks and scrubland for my home continent with a side of snow. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xomeron Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 A large, extinct volcano at the center of my larger island, with large plains of farmland around it. The secondary island is rocky mountains and dense jungle on the western side, with fields of farmland on the east. Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrd Bid Ful Araed Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I'd like a large mountain in the middle of mine. Though I can't make out which one it is in the new style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Mine's somewhat cliffy and heavily populated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Kini Hawkeye Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Just going to throw this out there.I'm not an expert on Civ, much less it's builder, But you can't really get too specific with it "Extinct Volcano" wise. A lot of the geography of your island will still have to be explained/drawn, so just keep that in mind. Quote I've been searchin' for the daughter of the Devil Himself,I've been searchin' for an Angel in White,I've been lookin for a woman who's a little of both,and I can sense her but she's nowhere in sight,Cause I can't find a banner ;_; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Yeah; this Civ map is just a novelty thing, not actually meant for detailed terrain mapping. You still need to make sure you've got your island explained elsewhere. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast of Awesomeness Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Wait, so there's another map coming? Quote Well, would you just look at that? I'm a piece of toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Wait, so there's another map coming?As specified in the the map section of the post, yes. There'll be a terrain map for the main continent, so when you guys get over there you know what's going on. For the first month or so though we won't really need it because I suspect unless someone does a colonizer rush not many people were pierce deep inland. Hence why I don't have it done already, a combination of life and school and other map making stuffs happening and the fact that we just don't need it atm. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Putting this here and in the BRPG planning topic to keep my options open.What would you guys think of a tactical-level RPG with a numbers system, and would it make any difference if I told you the system had already been test-run and partially refined? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Vonn Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 is it another rts rpq?do we need three? Quote 3DS: 3711-9364-3152 PSN: AidecVoros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 is it another rts rpq?do we need three?Technically we could have a fantasy TBRTSRPG.But no, it's a team based RPG. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I'd have to know just how heavily numerical it is. So long as it isn't table-toppy it might be good. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 What do you mean by "Table-toppy?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I mean played like a table-top game, with dice rolls, buckets full of rulebooks, and this long list of numbers you have to consult to see whether you can swing a sword or not. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Hmm...well, the system as it stands has dice rolls, but the extent of it is to roll for damage. It's a bit intrinsic, but if I needed to I could remove it. All rolling results are public, though. None of this hidden die roll nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I personally dislike the idea of dice-rolls in TBRPGs, but that's really just one person who wouldn't be playing. If it's a popular idea with everyone else, keep it. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrd Bid Ful Araed Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I dislike the idea of rolling dice to see how much damage is done. In a role-playing game you should let people role-play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Well, it seemed quite simple to do both (much to my surprise) when I saw it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noxryn Posted February 8, 2012 Author Share Posted February 8, 2012 I'll say, on the subject of dice, that I wouldn't approve a dice-roll system as such a system is not only exploitable, but also unnecessary in TBRPG's.As, like, characters in novels don't roll dice to see if they can do X.(My point being, TBRPG's are stories built around imagination where we really shouldn't need pointless number-counting devices to see if anyone can do X). I don't see why not just letting people duke it out, in a story format, wouldn't work. (Then again, I don't know the story of this game, but even if one side has to lose, then the side with the better writers and who stick to the rules and are able to reasonably succeed should be deemed winners, not pure luck). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) The reason I want to test this is to see if it's a viable replacement for the eternal "I hit you" "No you didn't" problem that TBRPGs inevitably have. Actually roleplaying the fight would go down exactly like it always does, with the caveat that whether or not the attack actually connects is actually fair. It is also, to some extent, predictable (which I believe is the main complaint against dice-rolling in an RPG) because of character attributes. If one side has better writers and players, they're also more likely to get RPing XP, since I firmly believe in the Planescape Torment method of player rewarding: all paths should be equally viable. However, I don't think that players should get rewards for following the rules--it's what they're supposed to do. Edited February 8, 2012 by Lloyd: the White Wolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Valjean Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Regarding maps, the best option is really something called Fractal Terrains 3, but that costs $46.95. On the other hand, for a serious sci-fi and fantasy nerd it would be a worthy investment. I personally plan on buying it over the summer, but that's a ways off.Your Honor,Tyrannosaurus Kraggh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comment Expired Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 You need an external client to dice-rolls fairly where everyone can see them, like the one they have on some roleplaying forums.So it's a no-go here, really. Quote Tumblr: Where facts and logic go to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 What I don't get about the dice-phobia is it seems based in the 'we can't trust you' notion. If the GM is not involved in the combat, then people are basically accusing him/her of being biased and taking favorites. Which against a mature veteran RPer is a pretty bad insult. We're all human, but can't some of us at least be trusted not to rig the game?Not to mention I wouldn't trust a computer generated dice roll, not unless it was taken off a random thing like cosmic radiation or atmospheric disturbance or such to generate a seed. Otherwise the computer dice roll wouldn't be very fair. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comment Expired Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Otherwise the computer dice roll wouldn't be very fair.Still lightyears ahead of a human! Quote Tumblr: Where facts and logic go to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 So basically you're saying that no GM can be trusted to roll some dice and not fudge the numbers?Thanks to reassuring me there's still people who have no trust in humanity whatsoever. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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