Lara White Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I figured it'd have more materials in its rings, even if most of it is dust. If you want to delete it go ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Well, no, we're rolling with it (and you don't know how close I came to typing "in" instead of "with". This is what finishing a cloud-scratching fortress in Minecraft [building, not exploring. I still don't know half of what I'm going to do with the things that aren't the throne room] does to you, people.), because it's a useful classification. I might redact the bit about the size of the planet being the deciding factor (it isn't - it's mainly just chance and whether something had the good grace to get all crumbly in that space), but other than that it's good. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xomeron Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) Anyway, will our preference of actual science over Rule Of Cool make Battlemechs useless as well? Edited January 23, 2012 by King Of Shadows Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Not useless, just not gods of the battlefield, either. The whole point of them, really, is to be more maneuverable than tanks - on level ground, a 100-ton tank will smoke a 100-ton mech any day of the week, but if you've got to make it through a steep mountain pass, better send for the mechs.That being said, if your civilization prefers rule of cool, they can make battlemechs their dominant ground forces all they want. Just know that if I bring in the wet navy, the air force, or big old tanks, the areas that favor those types of units will be murder on the mechs. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evex_Wolfwing Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) Saturn's rings are likely the result of a couple moons tackling each other. Jupiter has small rings, and look at how huge it is, you would think it would pull more stuff in. Parts of Nepture's rings are invisible, and possibly don't even exist. And Uranus has very faint rings. Gas Giant and Ringed Giant feels redundant. To me, it looks like all rings are the result of collisions on the part of the planet's moons, so the planet itself is not special in some way because it has rings. It's just that Rings like Saturn are not common. For that matter, those ring's will not be their forever.EDIT: Just did some research, I was wrong about Neptune's rings. They are all there, it's just that they are more clumped in some places. Couldn't remember all the details. My point still stands. Edited January 23, 2012 by Crogenitor Evex Quote They were called Tenno. Warriors of blade and gun: masters of the Warframe armor. Those that survived the old war were left drifting among the ruins. Now they are needed once more. The Grineer, with their vast armies, are spreading throughout the solar system. A call echoes across the stars summoning the Tenno to an ancient place. They summon you. Allow the Lotus to guide you. She has rescued you from your cryostasis chamber and given you a chance to survive. The Grineer will find you; you must be prepared. The Lotus will teach you the ways of the Warframes and the secrets to unlocking their powers. Come Tenno, you must join the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Yeah, but the classification will remain there in a modified form, because the material that is in the rings could be useful, and needs to be taken into account, and anyway I don't feel like bothering to remove a whole planet classification. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Me, I personally say lump the infantry costs into dropships, but then it brings up logistics problems. Notably, if you fit a thousand troops into a dropship, you need a thousand of them for a million troops. We're talking planetary invasion here; you're going need several million if you want to take any decently defended world.So, maybe make dropships a background transport, something like I did with Strith, then pay for troops per the million or ten thousand or something like that? Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 You're forgetting that troops won't only be used for invasions. If someone invades your planet, you're probably going to want to have troops already there.I'm following the "Keep It Simple, Stupid" method here. Military costs are military costs. Dropships are relatively cheap. So are troops. Dropships are separate from troops. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Fair point.Question; how would robosoldiers come into play? You can pump them out of the assembly line in the thousands per week, and they don't have to be the stupid droids from Star Wars; you could very quickly zerg rush someone with utterly loyal mechanical minions. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 They'll be more expensive to produce than normal soldiers (though not by much, in the grand scheme of things) and will be less clever than regular soldiers. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comment Expired Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) You could have some sort of standard organized proxy battle system.With giant robots, optionally.EDIT: waitaminuteStarscape failed? I thought you guys had it all sorted out! Edited January 23, 2012 by Am I Poplar Yet? Quote Tumblr: Where facts and logic go to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) EDIT: waitaminuteStarscape failed? I thought you guys had it all sorted out!It didn't fail. It was going great; then in a surprise twist no one saw coming, Xom rage quit. Edited January 23, 2012 by Sweetroll Thief Alex Humva Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Nope, Xom pulled the plug on Starscape. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comment Expired Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Huh. Well that's disappointing.Maybe I should do something then. Quote Tumblr: Where facts and logic go to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 New idea?On the bright side, IL3 is going be run by Rover, so there's a much less chance of ragequitting and a better chance of a logical person in power. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Pffft, logical. Who needs logical when I've got... wait, yeah, reasonable's the same thing.Anyway, running Starscape was a rather stressful job. Most people would have ragequitted at some point.But, yeah, I've been spending the time since Starscape imploded hammering out what's basically the next iteration. Less numerical rigidity, less absolute focus on warfare in the planning of it (Because neither IL nor Starscape ended up being entirely about warfare anyway), more allowances for things like trade. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast of Awesomeness Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 We're working on the mythology RPG... andyone know anything about Taoist mythology? We'd like to put it in there, but we don't know much. Quote Well, would you just look at that? I'm a piece of toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Doesn't Taoism fall under the 'still practiced today' rule? Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrd Bid Ful Araed Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I know its officially recognised by China but from what I've looked at it wasn't really one of the popular ones. I think its far outstripped by Buddhism.Also I've seen elements of Taoism incorporated into other pop culture, much like Shinto, so I thought it was fair game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Native American religion isn't that popular nowadays either. Yeah, there's still some who practice it and more who honor it, but from what I can tell it's not really practiced that much.Methinks if Taoism goes, then Cherokee and/or Iroquois mythos should as well. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrd Bid Ful Araed Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Taoism isn't declining because the people who followed it were culled, though :rolleyes:On a less guilt-trippy note Native American myths are a pain to research. Its all very well for you to want Iroquois myths included, but you do realise the Iroquois were actually at least five different (albeit allied) tribes, right? Each one with their own myths, plus variations on core myths. You get in a tangle very quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Vonn Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 just how many relig- mythologies are you putting in this thing? Quote 3DS: 3711-9364-3152 PSN: AidecVoros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xomeron Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Really I'd recommend creating several different original pantheons who are not exactly a specific real god, and then saying that said god has been worshiped under different names and portrayals throughout the years. Ares and Mars being two aspects of the same god.Also, please don't cast Hades or any other God Of Death as evil; death is Lawful Neutral. Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Also, please don't cast Hades or any other God Of Death as evil; death is Lawful Neutral.Mythological figures are subject to interpretation. Your interpretation is not law. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comment Expired Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) I know its officially recognised by China but from what I've looked at it wasn't really one of the popular ones. I think its far outstripped by Buddhism.Also I've seen elements of Taoism incorporated into other pop culture, much like Shinto, so I thought it was fair gameBoth Shinto and Taoism are still practiced in Japan and China respectively.What do you want to know? Edited January 30, 2012 by Am I Poplar Yet? Quote Tumblr: Where facts and logic go to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) Taoism isn't declining because the people who followed it were culled, though :rolleyes:On a less guilt-trippy note Native American myths are a pain to research. Its all very well for you to want Iroquois myths included, but you do realise the Iroquois were actually at least five different (albeit allied) tribes, right? Each one with their own myths, plus variations on core myths. You get in a tangle very quicklyI'm well aware, considering I have ancestors who were alive and subject to said culling. :| Ultimately it doesn't matter how it happened, simply that it isn't practiced that much today. As Wrack points out, Shinto and Taoism are both still practiced to this day, so if they go through, Cherokee and Iroquois should go through as well, IMO.I figure you and ToA would do what me and you were doing do for the mythos RPG we were planning; take the various scattered myths, generalize and average to get a result. My excuse was going be that the gods were simply viewed differently, and their personalities and forms shifted over time in their respective regions/sphere of influence.A pain to research, but I was in the middle of doing said research before we gave up on the idea.Also, Xom, while I agree Hades is bagged on way too much, when his only crime I can think of was kidnapping his wife -which, in those times, was accepted; he later made up for it even- and then cheating on her to see if she really loved him. After that he's got a spotless record, so compared to his more... active brothers he was a saint. Point being though, some gods of death were in fact evil. Set wasn't originally evil but did eventually morph into an evil god. So some death gods will be evil. Edited January 30, 2012 by Sweetroll Thief Alex Humva Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xomeron Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 On the whole, I think that it's better for fiction to not portray gods with Good-Evil alignments, because you can always look at things differently. To take a fictional example, Khorne, from Warhammer 40,000, is the Chaos God of blood, slaughter, warfare, and death, but also of Honor, Martial Combat, and Bravery. He's generally portrayed as evil because the story is told from his enemies' point of view. Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Okay, great. If you want to make something with your views on the morality of mythological figures, go ahead and do so. If others want the figures in their creation to be good/evil, let it be. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Kini Hawkeye Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Personally I'd like to just say that a Religion should depend on the race and be part of their "culture."There shouldn't really be a standard religion, nor should anyone be limited. If someone wants their race to worship one diety, or someone wants their to worship 300 plus, I say let them.If i'm missing something feel free to ignore this cause i havn't posted on BZP in a long time and i merely skimmed the topic. Quote I've been searchin' for the daughter of the Devil Himself,I've been searchin' for an Angel in White,I've been lookin for a woman who's a little of both,and I can sense her but she's nowhere in sight,Cause I can't find a banner ;_; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kothra Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 They're talking about ToA's idea/plan for a mythology-based RPG thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Vonn Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 how's that gonna be set up? some sort of crossover world? or is it gonna be kinda percy jackson in set up, with 'hey this is all real but nobody knew the whole time!' Quote 3DS: 3711-9364-3152 PSN: AidecVoros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast of Awesomeness Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Basically the gods were gone for a long time, but now they're back. We'll post a draft soon enough.So, since apparently no one's experienced with Taoism, does anyone care of we cut it? And besides Aztec, is there another American mythology you'd like to see? Quote Well, would you just look at that? I'm a piece of toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Basically the gods were gone for a long time, but now they're back. We'll post a draft soon enough.So, since apparently no one's experienced with Taoism, does anyone care of we cut it? And besides Aztec, is there another American mythology you'd like to see?If I'm not terribly mistaken, someone offered to give you information on Taoism and Shintoism a few posts ago. I could have misread that, though. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Basically the gods were gone for a long time, but now they're back. We'll post a draft soon enough.So, since apparently no one's experienced with Taoism, does anyone care of we cut it? And besides Aztec, is there another American mythology you'd like to see?Yeah, Cherokee and Iroquois.So, are you still using my old draft as a backbone for the story or have you completely ditched it? Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Vonn Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 how many mythologies are being used, total?if there's only ten or so being used, do we really want 3 of them to be native american? it seems like it'd hinder diversification a bit. if the number is closer to forty or fifty [i know that probably sounds ridiculous] then i can see there's more room to have similar things. you don't have both roman and greek mythologies, do you? Quote 3DS: 3711-9364-3152 PSN: AidecVoros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comment Expired Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Basically the gods were gone for a long time, but now they're back. We'll post a draft soon enough.So, since apparently no one's experienced with Taoism, does anyone care of we cut it? And besides Aztec, is there another American mythology you'd like to see?You have to cut both Tao and Shinto. Both are present-day religions. Quote Tumblr: Where facts and logic go to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast of Awesomeness Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Shinto, however, the Japanese are comfortable with making video games about. So I think it's okay.We have, currently:-Aztec-Roman-Norse-Egyptian-Celtic-Yoruba-ShintoIs that enough for everyone? Quote Well, would you just look at that? I'm a piece of toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Shinto, however, the Japanese are comfortable with making video games about. So I think it's okay.We Americans made Darksiders, based kinda sorta off of Christianity.Just because someone makes a video game off of a religion doesn't mean it's ok for this site. If you gave me a day I could bring up a handful of games based off of Christianity and/or it's derivatives, but I don't see it being included in this RPG.So you're going include Shinto, something practiced today, but not at least Cherokee mythos? :| Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast of Awesomeness Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Honestly, we just don't know them well enough. Haha, but if you do I'd love to hear suggestions. Quote Well, would you just look at that? I'm a piece of toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Yes, well, it appears Shinto can't bloody well be included.Cherokee still exist, and there are a number of them who still adhere to the old religious views, so it logically follows that that's right out as well. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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