slifer3000 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Tarakava are supposed to be reptilian rahi that live in the water for the most part. But has anyone else wondered how they'd be able to move from point A to point B underwater? I assume they breathe in water, (making them more of an amphibian or a fish than a reptile) since they were at least as deep as Mahri Nui, but is there any explanation as to how their lives are even possible? Or do we just avoid thinking about it lest it make appreciating the actual Tarakava set harder? Quote Knock Knock Who's there Hoff Hoff who Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emily Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 I suspect they punch the water so hard it moves aside for them 12 Quote believe victims. its actually not that hard, and youd look kind of bad if you were to, say, side with an abuser because theyre your friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNugget Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 ALL TERRAIN TREADSalso probably like doggy paddle or something 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSkeletonMan939 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 I suspect they punch the water so hard it moves aside for them Indeed! ("Real life physics don't apply in Bionicle.")=> 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pohaturon Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 If the ribs in the treads are large enough, they can act as paddles. Of course, this raises the issue of water completely enveloping all surfaces of the treads as opposed to just one surface on the ground, but you can explain that away with some kind of carapace cover that they only use when in water, like the hard shell protecting the wings of bugs in real life. 1 Quote Stone rocks Model Designer at The LEGO Group. Former contributor at New Elementary. My MOCs can be found on Flickr and Instagram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 1st Shadow Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 (edited) My impression of the set is that it doesn't accurately depict the creatures. The set's arms and waist are the only real points of articulation, and they can only move forward and backward. I once theorized that Tarakava would more closely resemble crocodiles, or, more specifically, Killer Croc from 2004's The Batman, as seen here: The only difference would be the fact that they're more mostly mechanical and would have the treads in place of the hind legs, and a tail that was barely more than a small stub. I always meant to MOC or draw this interpretation of them and make it look as close to the style of the Miramax films as possible, but that never happened, sadly. Edited August 18, 2017 by The 1st Shadow 1 Quote ~Your friendly, neighborhood Shadow ~Credit for Avatar and Banner goes to NickonAquaMagna~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slifer3000 Posted August 19, 2017 Author Share Posted August 19, 2017 My impression of the set is that it doesn't accurately depict the creatures. The set's arms and waist are the only real points of articulation, and they can only move forward and backward. I once theorized that Tarakava would more closely resemble crocodiles, or, more specifically, Killer Croc from 2004's The Batman, as seen here: The only difference would be the fact that they're more mostly mechanical and would have the treads in place of the hind legs, and a tail that was barely more than a small stub. I always meant to MOC or draw this interpretation of them and make it look as close to the style of the Miramax films as possible, but that never happened, sadly. Ah, so you're theorizing that their arms are much more articulated than the set's is, and that they could use them to swim? Quote Knock Knock Who's there Hoff Hoff who Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Keksalot Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 If we're talking about what is and isn't canon, I don't see why we should take their set appearance as 100% canon. Unless the Greg Spirit has specified otherwise, we know from WoS that Muakas don't have treads and are basically built like actual machairodonts; and that ash bears don't actually have a freakishly-enlarged arm. Tarakavas are likely the same. Either that, or they have propellers. Quote Rule #1: Always listen to Kek. Rule #2: If you break rule #1, kindly don't. Rule #3: EVERYBODY TYPE IN THE CHAT "AVAK IS A STUPID TRIGGER" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ta-metru_defender Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 (edited) If we're talking about what is and isn't canon, I don't see why we should take their set appearance as 100% canon. Unless the Greg Spirit has specified otherwise, we know from WoS that Muakas don't have treads and are basically built like actual machairodonts; and that ash bears don't actually have a freakishly-enlarged arm. Tarakavas are likely the same. Either that, or they have propellers.I don't know how I feel about that. Half of what made Muaka (and Kane-Ra) so cool to me was their tread hind-legs. Why can't the Tarakava be like some amalgamation of crabs and seahorses? Edited August 19, 2017 by Ta-metru_defender 2 Quote Hand-drawn, bespoke avatar by none other than Mushy the Mushroom. a body adrift in water, salt, and sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slifer3000 Posted August 19, 2017 Author Share Posted August 19, 2017 If we're talking about what is and isn't canon, I don't see why we should take their set appearance as 100% canon. Unless the Greg Spirit has specified otherwise, we know from WoS that Muakas don't have treads and are basically built like actual machairodonts; and that ash bears don't actually have a freakishly-enlarged arm. Tarakavas are likely the same. Either that, or they have propellers. Yes but Ive head-decanonized the the WoS Muaka. 1 Quote Knock Knock Who's there Hoff Hoff who Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 1st Shadow Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 If we're talking about what is and isn't canon, I don't see why we should take their set appearance as 100% canon. Unless the Greg Spirit has specified otherwise, we know from WoS that Muakas don't have treads and are basically built like actual machairodonts; and that ash bears don't actually have a freakishly-enlarged arm. Tarakavas are likely the same. Either that, or they have propellers. Yes but Ive head-decanonized the the WoS Muaka. The Muaka in WoS was mutated by the Visorak, and had lost its treads and extending neck. But you get the idea. Ah, so you're theorizing that their arms are much more articulated than the set's is, and that they could use them to swim? Precisely. The Toa Nuva had articulated limbs in the movie where the sets did not, movie versions had heartlights and the sets did not, etc. Now, consider the structure of the Tarakava set's body. How realistic do you think that twig-like torso is, and how effective the three twig-like beams for its arms would actually be in terms of hitting and mobility? Not very, if you think about it. The sets were designed with an action feature in mind, and the skinny torso is there to allow small hands to hold it and operate it. So, take away the fact that it's a toy and make it a real creature, how much of that do you need to retain? None of it, really. In-story, Tarakava didn't need someone to hold their torso and direct their arms to move, so there's no reason for them to look that way. 2 Quote ~Your friendly, neighborhood Shadow ~Credit for Avatar and Banner goes to NickonAquaMagna~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aanchir Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 If we're talking about what is and isn't canon, I don't see why we should take their set appearance as 100% canon. Unless the Greg Spirit has specified otherwise, we know from WoS that Muakas don't have treads and are basically built like actual machairodonts; and that ash bears don't actually have a freakishly-enlarged arm. Tarakavas are likely the same. Either that, or they have propellers.There was never an Ash Bear in the sets to begin with. The big-armed combo model mislabeled as an Ash Bear in the Maze of Shadows video game was actually "Makuta Nui", a monstrous form Makuta was said to take to strike fear into the hearts of his enemies. Quote Latest MOC: PAIGE (Prototype Artificial Intelligence, Gynoid Expression) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Keksalot Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 If we're talking about what is and isn't canon, I don't see why we should take their set appearance as 100% canon. Unless the Greg Spirit has specified otherwise, we know from WoS that Muakas don't have treads and are basically built like actual machairodonts; and that ash bears don't actually have a freakishly-enlarged arm. Tarakavas are likely the same. Either that, or they have propellers.I don't know how I feel about that. Half of what made Muaka (and Kane-Ra) so cool to me was their tread hind-legs. Why can't the Tarakava be like some amalgamation of crabs and seahorses? They're described as lizard-like. It makes more sense for them to resemble the things we're told they resemble. As it stands, they hardly fit that description. If we're talking about what is and isn't canon, I don't see why we should take their set appearance as 100% canon. Unless the Greg Spirit has specified otherwise, we know from WoS that Muakas don't have treads and are basically built like actual machairodonts; and that ash bears don't actually have a freakishly-enlarged arm. Tarakavas are likely the same. Either that, or they have propellers. Yes but Ive head-decanonized the the WoS Muaka. Headcanons aren't really relevant here, though. We're talking official canon. If we're talking about what is and isn't canon, I don't see why we should take their set appearance as 100% canon. Unless the Greg Spirit has specified otherwise, we know from WoS that Muakas don't have treads and are basically built like actual machairodonts; and that ash bears don't actually have a freakishly-enlarged arm. Tarakavas are likely the same. Either that, or they have propellers. Yes but Ive head-decanonized the the WoS Muaka. The Muaka in WoS was mutated by the Visorak, and had lost its treads and extending neck. But you get the idea. This is true. The fact that it's also blue instead of yellow should be a signal that it's not technically the same Rahi, thus making my entire argument kind of moot. If we're talking about what is and isn't canon, I don't see why we should take their set appearance as 100% canon. Unless the Greg Spirit has specified otherwise, we know from WoS that Muakas don't have treads and are basically built like actual machairodonts; and that ash bears don't actually have a freakishly-enlarged arm. Tarakavas are likely the same. Either that, or they have propellers.There was never an Ash Bear in the sets to begin with. The big-armed combo model mislabeled as an Ash Bear in the Maze of Shadows video game was actually "Makuta Nui", a monstrous form Makuta was said to take to strike fear into the hearts of his enemies. Once again, my argument is moot. Too bad the '01 saga never got a movie; there's not really a lot of concrete evidence to cite here. Quote Rule #1: Always listen to Kek. Rule #2: If you break rule #1, kindly don't. Rule #3: EVERYBODY TYPE IN THE CHAT "AVAK IS A STUPID TRIGGER" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyichir Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 In general I'd give more credence to the set-like depictions in the comics and games than to Greg's generally bad Rahi descriptions. Greg's descriptions tended to lean way too heavily on comparisons to real-world wildlife for an invented world of biomechanical creatures. Plus, treads just make them way more interesting than giant swimming lizards. 3 Quote Formerly Lyichir: Rachira of Influence Aanchir's and Meiko's brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaru Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) "Tarakava were a mistake" ~Makuta Mutran Edited August 21, 2017 by Makaru 2 Quote Spoiler Alert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyclonatorZ Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) "Tarakava were a mistake" ~Makuta Mutran "They're nothing but trash" Edited August 21, 2017 by Zarkan: Master of Storms Quote I have slept for so long. My dreams have been dark ones. But now I am awakened. Now the scattered elements of my being are rejoined. Now I am whole. And the Darkness can not stand before me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ta-metru_defender Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 If we're talking about what is and isn't canon, I don't see why we should take their set appearance as 100% canon. Unless the Greg Spirit has specified otherwise, we know from WoS that Muakas don't have treads and are basically built like actual machairodonts; and that ash bears don't actually have a freakishly-enlarged arm. Tarakavas are likely the same. Either that, or they have propellers.I don't know how I feel about that. Half of what made Muaka (and Kane-Ra) so cool to me was their tread hind-legs. Why can't the Tarakava be like some amalgamation of crabs and seahorses? They're described as lizard-like. It makes more sense for them to resemble the things we're told they resemble. As it stands, they hardly fit that description. Earth lizards are not like Bionicle lizards. Quote Hand-drawn, bespoke avatar by none other than Mushy the Mushroom. a body adrift in water, salt, and sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distorted Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) I don't really see what the issue is. As Pohaturon said, their tracks would presumably work for swimming. Perhaps in real-life physics they wouldn't actually work like that, but since when has Bonkle followed real-life physics? Edited August 23, 2017 by Disty says hi 1 Quote bonkle choons for your ears bonkle sets in great condition w/ instructions and canisters for your collection (ebay) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squidmaster Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 mabye they are heavy enough to sink to the sea floor and just drive around like they would on land 1 Quote S Q U I D M A S T E R check out my imgur gallery for bionicle photography: https://mahatparthiban.imgur.com/all/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TERIDAX941 Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) Coincidentally enough, Master Inika has written a comedy that you can find here, about a particular Makuta and the explaination for the weirdish 2001 Rahi. I'd give it a read if you haven't already, it's very well written! Edited August 24, 2017 by Iron_Man5 Quote Formerly Iron_Man5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuuli Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 I swear I've seen some sort of animation of them swimming...it used the tread to paddle itself like flippers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taria Pakari Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 "Tarakava were a mistake" ~Makuta Mutran "If I could, I would punch every Tarakava in the throat. All of them." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny7092 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Although it is questionable on how the Takarava swim underwater, I'm thinking the threads could swim in the water in the way steamboats move. I mean, when you spin the wheel part with the spikes, the spikes would make a force in the force that would cause the whole thing to move in the water. I believe the threads could do something similar to that underwater. Quote I like Lego, Bionicle, and Hero Factory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slifer3000 Posted August 30, 2017 Author Share Posted August 30, 2017 Although it is questionable on how the Takarava swim underwater, I'm thinking the threads could swim in the water in the way steamboats move. I mean, when you spin the wheel part with the spikes, the spikes would make a force in the force that would cause the whole thing to move in the water. I believe the threads could do something similar to that underwater. That only works when half of the spikes are above the water Quote Knock Knock Who's there Hoff Hoff who Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiffy247 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 "The Tarakava are composed principally of cheese"~a cat Quote A fish wielding vampire. That's Spiffy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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