Lara White Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 OOC: The Forum doesn't really have members, it's just a place for nations to get together and air complaints, work out solutions, etc. It doesn't have any legal power of its own, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xomeron Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 OOC: Ah, I figured it was like the United Nations, where you had to actually be admitted entry. AnywayIC:The Astarian Government soon requested to send a representative to speak on their behalf. Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 IC: With the reasoning of "better late than never" the Astarian representative was admitted, although the recent tensions between the two nations caused the local authorities to detail extra security to his group, so that the Astarian assassination of the Stan ambassador was not revenged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xomeron Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) IC:Likely as a show of good faith, the Astarian Ambassador(a woman, of course*) had arrived alone and unarmed. Were there any overlap between the two groups, she would be recognized as Calasi. She appeared without announcement, opening the door, giving a polite nod at the assembled dignitaries, and closing the door behind her.OOC: Offline for the night, will be occupied by a girl tomorrow night. Not sure when I'll be back. Edited March 27, 2012 by cardworkMagician Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 IC: "Ah, Ambassador Calasi." The Aquileonese ambassador said. "I am pleased you could join us. I'm certain you are aware of why we're meeting--would you like to speak your piece?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 IC: With a slight feeling of the surreality of the situation, the representative calmly explained that greenhouses were contained, climate-controlled buildings designed to promote the optimum growth of plants. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xomeron Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) IC: Coca-ColaRealizing the potential of such an idea, the Coke representative grinned. "We'll be able to work out a license for growing these plants, perhaps in exchange for a few of those vaunted goat creatures?"IC: Forum"Just going to announce Astaria's support for the ban; a biological weapon simply is too easy to lose control of and slaughter the entire world. Our great nations have a responsibility; defending not only our own citizens, but also the collective peoples of Earth. We must seek out any threat to them, and deal with it openly and honestly. Edited March 27, 2012 by cardworkMagician Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 IC: The Aquileonese representative nodded. "Then you are in favor of the ban?" He asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kothra Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 IC(Forum): The Kiserran representative, standing in for Consul Shimizu, stood and spoke."Kiserre has absolutely no experience with biological weapons so we have little reason not to sign this treaty," he declared.IC(Kiserre): The attending forces for the non-lethal exercises were gathered in the uninhabited area of the northern region that was reserved for military practice maneuvers. The ranking officers of the foreign nations were given a basic overview of the terrain: The north and east were hilly and forested, the west was rather mountainous, and the south was mostly open plains, with a large river marking the southern boundary. All forces would be permitted anywhere within the boundary, with the exception of scaling the mountain beyond 1200 metres.OOC: Alright guys, specify what forces you are bringing so I can get this ready to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 IC: A few additions to the Aquileonese representatives had arrived while the wargames were being organized. The full complement now amounted to three battalions, two SAM units, two Gyrfalcons, and two Vultures. They took up a possition in the slopes of the mountains to the west, camouflaging their SAM units with netting while their aircraft ran CAP overhead.OOC: I just realized how absurd it is that I only have three SAM units for an army of this size...I understand aircraft and navy (they're expensive) but SAMs? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 OOC: The Varangian military is even more pathetically unbalanced. They've got rather a lot of snipers, three helicopters, no missiles yet, and while their troops do carry side-arms, they are primarily trained as snipers.(Coca Trade): The trade of goats for coca was quickly approved, with a small herd of goats soon on its way to Astaria.(War Games): During the waiting for the beginning of the war games, the Varangians had flown over one of the three helicopters they received from the Kiserrans, and had refitted it with paint-based "weaponry". Apart from that, two battalions of the marksmen characteristic of Varangia, decked out with full mountain-climbing gear and cold-weather gear had set up camp on the north-western edge of the combat area, using alpine scrub to camouflage their base-camp while they waited for the all-clear to begin.OOC: I'm trying out what I consider to be an absurdly non-viable combat strategy - an all-sniper military. The pros of this are high-precision and high kill/shot ratios. The cons I will let you discover for yourselves. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kothra Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 OOC: I should probably make this clear: this isn't a free-for-all. Two equal (as possible) teams will be decided once everyone declares what they will be committing, and then, after that, starting positions will be decided/designated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrd Bid Ful Araed Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 IC: By now the Waalusaan had bolstered their coastal defences significantly. Long guns with anti-ship weaponry dotted the cliffs and bluffs, while emplacements with machine guns and donnermakkers guarded the beaches. Anti-air weapons crowned each. If anyone tried taking any of the islands in the Arctungaad archipelago they'd be forced to shed a lot of blood.OOC: I have 55 free IP, if I put it into sending satellites into space how long would it take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvan Haven Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 IC: Funds were sent to a private company to design a new set of explosive weapons. The Fillion private sector started looking to the newly opened markets with a gleam in their eyes. Messages were sent out to the other countries from a collection of companies, asking if they would be willing to open their markets. The three main exports would be cars designed with an eye towards style and speed, a type of drawn action show that was popular with young men and boys. And the national art style of Fillion, which used soft beams of light sent through crystals of various colors, some of which had pictures or writing carved into them.OOC: Ten IP set aside for the development of a new line of weapons. Quote "I serve the weak. I serve the helpless. I am their sword and their shield. If you want to strike at them, you must go through me, and I am not so easily moved." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 IC [standast]Revenge was currently on the Stan mind, but not at such a function. There were few rules about Stan feuds, mostly because everyone who tried regulating the system got killed, but there were some unspoken ones. One such rule was that attacking people at parties (the Stan word was more loose, referring more to any sort of official gathering, be it formal or fun) was pretty low, so the Astarian ambassador was mostly safe. Not to mention, ambassadors were trained with more self restraint than the average person.Regardless of the Astarian's safety, the Stans voted for the ban against biological weapons.[Elsewhere]With Project Fallout reinitialized and completed, the aging Stan navy was given a review, then it was decided that while it would need some serious over hauling, but there simply wasn't enough money. So in the mean time the fruits of Project Fallout were being collected, stored onto naval vessels while the world continued it's bickering.OOCAlright, so rather than have another lengthy IC convo that'll get us no where, who is buying the immortality drug and who isn't? Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast of Awesomeness Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 IC: Market research has begun as Anitalian companies look to expand.OOC: What exactly constitutes a biological weapon under the treaty? Just artificial diseases? Quote Well, would you just look at that? I'm a piece of toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 OOC: Quoth The Other Wiki:Biological warfare (also known as germ warfare) is the use of biological toxins or infectious agents such as bacteria, viruses, and fungi with intent to kill or incapacitate humans, animals or plants as an act of war. Biological weapons (often termed "bio-weapons" or "bio-agents") are living organisms or replicating entities (viruses) that reproduce or replicate within their host victims. Entomological (insect) warfare is also considered a type of biological warfare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast of Awesomeness Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 OOC: Insect Warfare.... ? That could be fun. :evilgrin:I'll accept for the germ part.IC: The Anitalian Representative nodded. "We accept this treaty. Quote Well, would you just look at that? I'm a piece of toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xomeron Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 (edited) IC:"Quite. In fact, Astaria's assembly has voted in favor of this as well, though barely." Calasi grinned.OOC: Project Aveline canceledOOC: I just realized how absurd it is that I only have three SAM units for an army of this size...I understand aircraft and navy (they're expensive) but SAMs? Really? This is why I argue that a unit's upkeep cost should be one fifth of its build cost, so a Large Province(40 IP) could only build two bombers at once(20 IP) but it could support a total of 10(4 IP each)Industry:Training begun of 150 squads worth of Red Dragoon forces(15 IP)[1/3]Production begun of two Crusader helicopters(10 IP)[1/7] Edited March 28, 2012 by cardworkMagician Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share Posted March 28, 2012 OOCI know, I know, the upkeep and build costs shouldn't be the same. But I'm not even sure if the RPG rules allow that big of a change after the RPG has been approved. If they do, though, then I'd be open to letting you guys vote on the matter, assuming Koth agrees with it. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xomeron Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 It's not that huge of a change. Just dividing by five, quintupling the amount of forces each of us can field, which brings this much closer to reality than it currently is, because I'm fairly sure my one Destroyer gives me the world's largest Navy... Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share Posted March 28, 2012 (edited) OOCI'd just like to make something clear; we are not America. Even by the time someone has their entire island be super provinces, a six tile island might, MIGHT, be something of Germany's industrial output.Fact being, these things are bloody expensive, and unless you have the industrial output of America, Germany, or China, it's pretty hard to keep them up. Aye, you should probably be able to support more, but never get it into your head that we're America or Germany. We aren't.Also, IP in this case is your military budget; not the over all industrial production. Edited March 28, 2012 by Gaius Alex Humvus Augustus Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xomeron Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 (edited) Well, for a better comparison, look at modern day Egypt.8 Submarines6 Frigates2 Corvettes22 Coastal Patrol Boats24 Missile Attack CraftThat's for a medium sized, resource-poor nation with moderate militarization. (These are of course pre-revolution figures) Edited March 28, 2012 by cardworkMagician Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share Posted March 28, 2012 OOCWhich is a fair point, and is also why I'm totally in favor of doing the one fifth upkeep thing, if the rules, Koth, and you guys approve of it. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 OOC: For the record, I am Lloyd and I endorse this idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 OOC: See, this is why I'm waiting to do IL 3. I would have never thought of the 1/5 plan. (Which I approve of.) Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xomeron Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 (edited) I would have implemented this idea in Starscape if we'd come up with a system for ground combat. Starships, of course, need so much support that their upkeep is equal to their building.So, that's Me, Alex, Lloyd, and Rover. Meaning we need opinions from Silvan Haven, Koth and ToA Edited March 28, 2012 by cardworkMagician Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 OOC: I'm personally worried that Koth is going to oppose it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast of Awesomeness Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 OOC: It seems a hassle, but I'd be willing. Quote Well, would you just look at that? I'm a piece of toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 OOC: Doesn't seem like that much of a hassle to me. I did the math on it in the span of a minute or two. You just plug the current numbers into a calculator and divide them by five, then add up the new values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrd Bid Ful Araed Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 So, that's Me, Alex, Lloyd, and Rover. Meaning we need opinions from Silvan Haven, Koth and ToAOOC: Oh, and I'm just chopped liver, am I?:PFor the record, I support the idea too. Each of our provinces are supposed to be the size of Australia so small fleets makes little sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share Posted March 28, 2012 OOCSo we got the approval of a judge, which for me is good enough. So long as Koth goes along with it, you guys get your one fifth upkeep. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvan Haven Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 OOC: That would be very helpful. Oh, I just exported Anime, luxury cars and my own art style. Quote "I serve the weak. I serve the helpless. I am their sword and their shield. If you want to strike at them, you must go through me, and I am not so easily moved." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kothra Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 (edited) OOC: Okay, okay, I'll work out the specifics of the upkeep when Alex gets on AIM.OOC: That would be very helpful. Oh, I just exported Animenuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Edited March 28, 2012 by Kothra: Sweetroll Thief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alien Conspiracy Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 (IC Wargames) The officer chose to take his mixed battalion of basic infantry, Zilren, and Elite units up north to the hills and forests. With only four rather outdated tanks at their disposal, this seemed the most logical option. They did however, manage to acquire a new experimental anti-vehicle weapon shipped in before the beginning of the war-games, dubbed the AVL (Basically an RPG-7)(Black Crescent Empire) Riots erupted in the streets as rebel forces stormed the city of Cairn Taliti (Q4). No further news has been released by officials, but it appears as though Imperial forces are slowly being forced from the city, choosing to fall back to the Capital rather than hold their ground.(OOC) Sorry about the inactivity recently. I plan on getting an Industry report up soon. Quote If you can't explain it, then it was probably an alien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xomeron Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 (edited) Industry ReportN-7: Large State(40)O-8: Large State(40)O-9: Large State(40)O-7: Medium State(30) [17/21]P-8: Small State(20) [17/21]O-11: Large Territory(10) [1/14]N-12: Settlement(0) [3/7]Total IP: 180Projects: Project Reverene(100)[49/60]B-9 Shadow(15)11/12150 squads worth of Red Dragoon forces(15 IP)[2/3]Two Crusader helicopters(10 IP)[2/7]IP Use: 140Standing Military:Helbrecht-Class Destroyer(10)50 Python MBTs(10)3 P-11 Interceptors(5)IP Use: 25Production Begun on three extra Crusader Helicopters(15)(1/7) Edited March 29, 2012 by cardworkMagician Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 IC: Aquileon noticed the chaos in the Black Crescent Empire and contacted both sides, offering to act as a peacekeeper and mediator until both sides worked things out peacefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted March 29, 2012 Author Share Posted March 29, 2012 OOCJust like to point out to people, let's not put our modified one fifth industry reports out until me and Koth completely agree on everything and get the official mechanics out. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 OOC: That was my plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted March 29, 2012 Author Share Posted March 29, 2012 (edited) OOCAlright, so after brief discussion, me and Koth have come to a conclusion. The upkeep cost will be the closest multiple of five to the one-fifth, rounding upwards, EXCEPT for when your build cost is <=10 IP, in which case it rounds to one. So to work it out, the formula is simple; .2*B=U, B being build cost and U being upkeep cost. So for example, .2•15=3 which rounds to five. .2•70=14.2, which rounds to 15, and .2•10=2, which rounds to 1. That should keep the maths simple enough that it isn't annoying when doing your IP reports.Unless anyone has objections, this'll be added to the front post and it'll be completely official. Edited April 21, 2012 by Gaius Alex Humvus Augustus Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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