Patient Counseling - OOC Topic

[Ghidora131]

#IcarusBenListen

[silo]

a. They are plural. Plus, Nyhe is, understandably, a bit grumpy at Eman and doesn't respect them (must... resist... grammar Nazism...) enough to use the proper pronoun.

b. I thought Scriva was dealing with plot monster.

c. It's well within a Toa of Water's power to agitate the water inside a Toa. And yes, no matter how you look at it, Toa mostly likely have some form of liquid inside of them. Humans use water, hydraulics use water... If you were in Nyhe's shoes, would you not do the same?

 

Also, how is my "autohit" any different from Obruent's constantly and completely ignoring the Komau?

@a: They is plural, but also used when you don't know the gender of the subject. You didn't mention Nyhe using her Komau at this point, so how would she even know that Eman wasn't using "proper pronouns" in his head, anyway?

 

@c: No, Ga-Toa don't have the ability to manipulate water at a molecular level in such a way. The reason for this is pretty obvious - it makes it overlap with Fire too much. This is the same reason why toa of Air can't make the air vibrate to create Sonics or heat, or, in the BZPRPG, toa of Crystal can't control Ice. Also, even if this did make sense, can you imagine what it would be like if everyone was allowed to manifest or control their elements in other characters bodies? It would be a very short game.

 

@Obruent comment: Ignoring an attack is not an autohit or even an autododge, it's called godmodding etc. However, Obruent didn't ignore it  - I mentioned it several times in my posts. Him not responding, on the other hand, was entirely Nyhe's fault for not giving him a good instruction. You could have quite easily made her say "Obruent, stop drowning Halmos in mercury." in any one of those three posts, and you didn't. I fail to see how that is my fault in any way.

Furthermore, it's said that a Komau can't go against its targets moral compass - what's a moral? An understanding of what's right and wrong from your perspective. Something that goes against your morals is, by definition, something you think is wrong and wouldn't do unless absolutely forced to, with no alternative, for example murder. In this case, however, not murdering Halmos is something that Obruent considers wrong and goes against with all his existence. 

Maybe a direct order slamming into his mind could phase him a little, but just saying "stop!" won't.

In short, the answer is "Because what you're doing is autohitting, whereas what I'm doing isn't."

Edited May 19, 2015 by 000

[IcarusBen]

 

"Get that ###### out of him, NOW!"

Nyhe tells Obruent, in very blunt terms, to get the mercury out of Halmos.

 

And, from BS01;

 

An Elemental Power is a force of nature, both inside and outside of the Matoran Universe. Wielders of elemental abilities have the ability to alter their surroundings in various ways, such as:

• Creating more of an element
• Manipulating existing amounts of the element
• Absorbing the element for a boost of energy

 

• Creating water/Liquid Protodermis
  • Forming objects out of water
• Manipulation of water/Liquid Protodermis or moisture
  • Drawing water out of the atmosphere
• Absorbing water/Liquid Protodermis
• Projecting one's consciousness into water (Element Lord-exclusive)
• Setting a timed blast of Water (Toa Nuva-exclusive)
• Unleashing a Water Nova Blast (Toa-exclusive)

And don't tell me Toa don't have some form of liquid (I'm using "water" as a basic assumption, here) because if they're more organic than mechanical, then they need to ingest water to survive. If they're more mechanical than organic, then they're likely to have some form of hydraulics to move, which use water, hence HYDRaulics.

 

But... fine. I can see nothing is going to change your mind... so... Yeah. Give me a little bit to rewrite it.

[The UltimoScorp]

Except I'm pretty sure manipulation of the water doesn't extend to the temperature.

 

We're Toa, not water benders.

[IcarusBen]

No, but I'm pretty sure manipulation of the water does extend to making it go really, really fast.

[silo]

Nyhe tells Obruent, in very blunt terms, to get the mercury out of Halmos.

 

Nope, she doesn't. Unless the BZP system censors the word "mercury", then that's not what Nyhe told Obruent to remove from Halmos.

Edited May 19, 2015 by 000

[Not Quite Dead]

While were on this tangent,

 

Can I explain that both punching lances out of the air and conveniently falling to dodge knives is silly and impossible/improbable.

[Timageness]

This is partially why I haven't been posting as Sal lately.

The other main reason is that I'm still waiting for that time-skip that was supposed to happen.

[Nato G]

Still waiting for a response to Scriva trying to telekinetically pin the baby monster to the wall. 

[Kovika: Visorak Lord]

This is partially why I haven't been posting as Sal lately.

The other main reason is that I'm still waiting for that time-skip that was supposed to happen.

Same.

[Nato G]

I'm still waiting for that time-skip that was supposed to happen.

 

Well,considering how determined the patients are to kill Halmos and Nyhe, and how determined the GMs are to use every ridiculous, impossible, underhanded cheat to keep them alive, this fight could drag on for quite some time....

[Timageness]

Hopefully all that nonsense will be resolved soon.

 

Sixty-Five years later...

Timageness 2080: "Still... waiting on... that... time-skip..."

*Finally dies of old age.*

 

Present day...

*Shudders.*

[Nato G]

Hopefully all that nonsense will be resolved soon.

 

This is a fine example of what we call "wishful thinking".

 

Sixty-Five years later...

 

This game will be dead, buried, and forgotten long before then. 

[Timageness]

You never know; they might decide to bring it back someday.

[Nato G]

*Shudders.*

[IcarusBen]

When this thing dies (and it will) I might decide to bring it back, building upon everything we've learned from this experience and fixing it up so ALL THIS doesn't happen again.

 

I also refuse to admit Nyhe's tactics being cheaty in-universe, since it's completely within her skillset but you guys seem to be as stubborn as... well... me, so I need to get back to writing that post don't I sorry I've been really busy okay gotta go bye.

[Nato G]

I also refuse to admit Nyhe's tactics being cheaty in-universe, since it's completely within her skillset

 

So let me get this straight. In your opinion, a Ga-Toa controlling water than may or may not actually even exist inside another being's body is a perfectly reasonable use of their powers? Not OP/unrealistic/unfair at all? 

[IcarusBen]

There's gotta be some form of liquid in a Toa's body. I do believe it is fair.

[Ghidora131]

Ben

 

Wut

 

 

Wut r u tolken about? Water inside Toa's body?

 

Be realistic, please. You are at an insane asylum after all.

[IcarusBen]

Again, if they're mostly organic, then they'll be using water to, y'know, live.

 

If they're hydraulic (like the sets show) then they'll be using water in their hydraulics. Hence hydraulics.

[Constructelf]

Not sure if this will help, but:

 

Constructman2 wrote:

Do Toa (and other MU beings) have hydraulic systems inside them? If they do, is there enough water present for a Ga-Toa to be able to restrict and control their movements? If not, do they still have enough water inside of them in liquid form for a Ga-Toa to work with?

ScribeGT6817 wrote:

No details were ever created on how their internal mechanical systems work. For all I know, it could be a system that doesn't even exist on Earth.

From this page

[Ghidora131]

No Ga-Toa in recorded Bionicle history has been able to do that.

[IcarusBen]

Except, look at the sets. They clearly have hydraulics.

[Nato G]

No Ga-Toa in recorded Bionicle history has been able to do that.

 

If a Ga-Toa had that kind of power - which I doubt - I think they would consider such an action to be immoral, and thus it would be against the Toa code. If that is the case, then Helryx, a Ga-Toa who does not adhere to the code, would theoretically have been able to do what IcarusBen is saying Nyhe did.

 

The fact that Helryx did no such thing would perhaps indicate that such an action was impossible, even for her.

 

Except, look at the sets. They clearly have hydraulics.

 

They also had transparent skulls, and armour that was stuck to their bodies via pins stabbed through their limbs.

 

What's your point? 

[Ghidora131]

Fueled by what? another type of liquid, and clearly not water, as a simple leak in the parts would render them immovable in a pool of water.

 

As I recall, this was clarified on the blood issue in the RPG discussion topic. Even though we treat them as if they have blood, blood doesn't hold water either.

[IcarusBen]

 

No Ga-Toa in recorded Bionicle history has been able to do that.

 

If a Ga-Toa had that kind of power - which I doubt - I think they would consider such an action to be immoral, and thus it would be against the Toa code. If that is the case, then Helryx, a Ga-Toa who does not adhere to the code, would theoretically have been able to do what IcarusBen is saying Nyhe did.

 

The fact that Helryx did no such thing would perhaps indicate that such an action was impossible, even for her.

 

Except, look at the sets. They clearly have hydraulics.

 

They also had transparent skulls, and armour that was stuck to their bodies via pins stabbed through their limbs.

 

What's your point? 

 

My point is that the sets are our best bet for determining the appearance of the characters.

 

If we go by the comics as our best bet, they also had hydraulics there.

[Constructelf]

ScribeGT6817 wrote:

No details were ever created on how their internal mechanical systems work. For all I know, it could be a system that doesn't even exist on Earth.

EDIT: Also, Glatorian. Do you really believe that they looked like that? With the u-shaped cross-section arms, the crystal heads, and the pin-on armor? Does your claim of sets being the best representation really apply there?

Edited May 20, 2015 by One-Eyed Construct

[Ghidora131]

A system that doesn't even exist on Earth.

 

Like... Hydraulics?

[IcarusBen]

 

ScribeGT6817 wrote:

No details were ever created on how their internal mechanical systems work. For all I know, it could be a system that doesn't even exist on Earth.

EDIT: Also, Glatorian. Do you really believe that they looked like that? With the u-shaped cross-section arms, the crystal heads, and the pin-on armor? Does your claim of sets being the best representation really apply there?

 

Then we go to the comics. They have hydraulics there, too.

 

We can either go with an "I dunno" answer courtesy of Greg, or we can take a look at canon material and see, without a doubt, the obvious hydraulics.

[The UltimoScorp]

Okay.

 

First: the hydraulics were an AESTHTIC because bionicle was based from TECHNIC.

 

Second: THE GLATORIAN ARE CANONICALLY FREAKING ORGANIC.

 

Third: you can't cherry pick the parts you like about canon or not to suit your needs....

 

Kthxbye

[Nato G]

I'd hate to break up this delightful argument, but I'm a tad confused by this:

 

"It's just that... Well, the city has been bombed for days on end, and we've had a lot of traitors turn up. Everybody's nerves are shot."

 

Fade has been at the Asylum for less than 24 hours. Nyhe, Lana and Scriva were visiting the Turaga a little earlier than that. Kotak was wandering all over the city at the same time. None of them were getting bombed.

 

I think you've lost track of how little time has progressed in this game. By my rough estimate, it's only been three or four days that have passed IC. The only way your statement here could be correct is if the city were getting bombed from the very beginning of the game, which it clearly hasn't been. 

[Ghidora131]

Um... No, I haven't. I've got everything planned with the Turaga trip. It's the Skakdi that's lost track.

 

He'll be reminded in a minute.

[IcarusBen]

And... post retconned.

 

Ta-da!

[Nato G]

So, I've been waiting for a reply to this post since yesterday....

 

IC: Scriva.

 

Lashing out with telekinesis, Scriva attempted to hold the creature in place by pinning it against the wall. 

 

....and instead, you both completely ignore me and continue on with the fight for a while, then have Halmos autohit Scriva:

 

Halmos got hammered by the flying metal, hitting his jaw, chest, and stomach. He soared backwards into Scriva.

 

I'm getting very tired of this nonsense. Also, this:

 

OOC: Lucina, did you not think that Nyhe's survival is kinda important for this RP? Thanks to YOU, I've gotta retcon something. At least I ask before killing someone. This is ridiculous.

 

Um.... you created an RPG where your staff characters locked up a bunch of people - some insane, some not - and now you're getting angry when those patients turn on the people imprisoning them?

 

What the heck were you expecting to happen? 

Edited May 20, 2015 by Locus

[Edelgard]

 

OOC: Lucina, did you not think that Nyhe's survival is kinda important for this RP? Thanks to YOU, I've gotta retcon something. At least I ask before killing someone. This is ridiculous.

 

And THIS is why I try and keep two characters in a combat scenario at all times.

 

GM IC Nyhe and Kazak:

 

Kazak had taken cover behind an upturned table as Nyhe was struck with the knife in her back. Rushing over to see if she was alright, Kazak was a little preoccupied when Eman's knife, intended to go into Nyhe's neck, ended going through Kazak's arm.

 

"Son of a brakas!"

 

Kazak pulled the shiv from Eman's vine's grasp and, praying to the Great Spirit it would work, flung the knife at Eman.

 

Sadly, having lost functionality in his good arm, the knife merely ended up hitting a Vahki.

 

This post makes no sense.

 

1. Where did this "Kazak" character come from all of the sudden?

2. Why has this "Kazak" not participated in the fight until now?

3. Why are you saying that the shiv is in the hold of a vine? Eman is holding it in their fist.

4. Why are you automatically assuming that any attempt to just wrench the shiv out of their fist will work?

[IcarusBen]

Kazak's been in the med ward for a few posts. I was under the assumption Eman was between Nyhe and the door.

 

And, the reason he's fighting here is because if I hadn't, Nyhe would be dead. It's a rule that you ask before killing someone, and STABBING SOMEONE IN THE NECK is certain death.

[Nato G]

It's a rule that you ask before killing someone, and STABBING SOMEONE IN THE NECK is certain death.

 

Oh really? 

 

RULES:

The first and most important rule is that you can only be a Toa. No exceptions whatsoever.

 

Secondly, the monster cannot be killed, so no post saying you defeated it.

 

Thirdly, any and all innate powers, elemental, mask or otherwise, get taken from patients and absorbed into the monster. This means no elemental powers, but mask powers are only severely weakened (i.e. a Kualsi transports you 5 feet, a Hau can only protect against the lightest of attacks.)

 

Fourthly, your character enters the asylum after character creation, meaning s/he will not have any preexisting ties to anyone inside. You'll get assigned to general or solitary depending on which one you choose in your profile.

 

Fifthly, only two groups of people can play Staff characters; the GMs and those who gain staff characters as a reward for good writing and RPing.

 

Finally, your character MUST BE APPROVED before you may post. You may have one, two or three characters at any one time. Post character requests in the "Patient Counseling" topic.

 

 

Nope, it isn't. Nice try. 

[IcarusBen]

Ahem. Excuse me for a second.

 

*walks to the PMs"

 

GHIDORA!!!! WHERE'S THE "STANDARD RULES APPLY?"

 

Well, it looks like me and Ghidora have some things to iron out. When we reach a verdict, we'll get back to you.

[Nato G]

There is no "standard ruling" on this issue, that I am aware of.

 

What is generally accepted is that it's polite to ask a player's permission before trying to kill their character, but if a character is put in a position where they cannot escape death, then they will die. 

 

I believe Ghidora can attest to this. 

[Not Quite Dead]

Halmos does have a pretty low multiversal survival rate. I think that him dying might be some kind of physical constant.