Makuta_of_Oz Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 I can't find a sticky for small questions, so I'll ask this in its own thread.How big is a tribe of Zyglak? Particularly a small tribe? Quote If you use correct grammar in your posts (or try hard to), place this in your signature. Join Myst's campaign for correct grammar usage on BZPower! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 1st Shadow Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Uh.... I don't think there is a specific number. Although, your question does bring up another interesting question:We know that the Matoran were produced at a certain amount, there were 100 Makuta,and the other species were probably formed in some good round number, like 500 or 10,000. So, the question now is, how many Zyglak are there total? I don't think we were ever given an estimate on their numbers, so I'm now curious about that. Quote ~Your friendly, neighborhood Shadow ~Credit for Avatar and Banner goes to NickonAquaMagna~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makuta_of_Oz Posted November 23, 2011 Author Share Posted November 23, 2011 Uh.... I don't think there is a specific number. Although, your question does bring up another interesting question:We know that the Matoran were produced at a certain amount, there were 100 Makuta,and the other species were probably formed in some good round number, like 500 or 10,000. So, the question now is, how many Zyglak are there total? I don't think we were ever given an estimate on their numbers, so I'm now curious about that.That'd be a good question to know the answer to!Since it's unlikely the Zyglak were 'recreated' like the Matoran and other species (unless they were able to reproduce on their own), odds are they're fewer in number than other MU species. Quote If you use correct grammar in your posts (or try hard to), place this in your signature. Join Myst's campaign for correct grammar usage on BZPower! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erebus Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Well, Spiriah employed a tribe of hundreds of Zyglak once in Federation Of Fear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makuta_of_Oz Posted November 23, 2011 Author Share Posted November 23, 2011 Well, Spiriah employed a tribe of hundreds of Zyglak once in Federation Of Fear.Hundreds? *re-reads FoF on BIONICLEStory*Apparently that fleet was only small, probably only about a dozen ships, tops. How many Zyglak would've manned each ship? Quote If you use correct grammar in your posts (or try hard to), place this in your signature. Join Myst's campaign for correct grammar usage on BZPower! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BULiK Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 depends on how big the ship is. think of the size of a modern crew for ship of that size Quote Visit www.BZPRPG.com to view my project of archiving BZPower's RPGs, and also access the BZPower Roleplaying Wiki BZPRPG Profiles - Ghosts Of Bara Magna Profiles Exo-Force RPG Profiles - Six Kingdoms: Apocalypse (Knichou, Berys, Arnex, The Taku, Exuze) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makuta_of_Oz Posted November 23, 2011 Author Share Posted November 23, 2011 depends on how big the ship is. think of the size of a modern crew for ship of that sizeThe Zyglak's ships fit the description of pirate ships, and that's a compliment towards how well-built they were. Since they were pretty much slapped together, I doubt they would've been too big, even for battleships. Quote If you use correct grammar in your posts (or try hard to), place this in your signature. Join Myst's campaign for correct grammar usage on BZPower! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BULiK Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 I know, but they must have been able to fight with them, so it would be about the size of the mnolg boats for the patrol/refuel/scout/landing boats, and then 3 or 4 larger ships that have multiple decks. but only about 60 feet long, and 1 command ship about twice the size of that.I'm only guessing, and this is what i would imagine to be a fleet Quote Visit www.BZPRPG.com to view my project of archiving BZPower's RPGs, and also access the BZPower Roleplaying Wiki BZPRPG Profiles - Ghosts Of Bara Magna Profiles Exo-Force RPG Profiles - Six Kingdoms: Apocalypse (Knichou, Berys, Arnex, The Taku, Exuze) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dralcax Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 I'm guessing 5-7, but more is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taipu1 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Interesting topic the Zyglak, their tribes are very large I think, there were hundreds in the fleet in Federation of Fear. However that wasn't necessarily one tribe. What always bothered me about Zyglak is, how did the Great Beings experiment with EP manage to get two totally different things, Krana could not be further from Zyglak in any aspect... Quote - Taipu1.HighFly MatoranShowdownBZPRPG ProfilesHave you seen my Blog? I understand if you haven't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lorax Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 That's energised protodermis for you. You never know what is going to come out. While one thing might be destined to become a krana, another could become a zyglak, despite them being identical in every other aspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peach 00 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 I'd guess about 10 to 25 if this is a tribe in between small and large. Large tribe would probably be 50, and a small one would be about 5 to 10. Or, that's my estimate anyway. Quote On the day the wall came down / They threw the locks onto the ground And with glasses high / We raised a cry / For freedom had arrived On the day the wall came down / The ship of fools had finally run aground Promises lit up the night / Like paper doves in flight I dreamed you had left my side / No warmth, not even pride remained And even though you needed me / It was clear that I could not do a thing for you Now life devalues day by day / As friends and neighbors turn away And there's a change that even with regret / Cannot be undone Now frontiers shift like desert sands / While nations wash their bloodied hands Of loyalty, of history / In shades of grey I woke to the sound of drums / The music played, the morning sun streamed in I turned and I looked at you / And all but the bitter residues slipped away slipped away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 As said above we really never saw any hard figures in the story, but if these tribes are anything like real life tribes there is a lot of variation. The Hausa and Yoruba of Nigeria and its neighboring countries number around 30 million while other African 'tribes' are significantly smaller, the Hadzabe number around one thousand and I don't think this is the lower limit. You could argue that these aren't actual tribes but ethnicities, since they don't form their own political entities. However, I wouldn't go below about a hundred, since tribes are supposed to be bigger than bands. If you don't make this distinction and call bands 'tribes' as well, the smallest you could reasonably get is probably ten. I went hunting with a band of Hadzabe on a vacation in Tanzania and there were five hunters, i.e. five adult men. We barely saw the women and children but I think there were at most ten women and ten children, so that makes it less than twenty-five, probably twenty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taipu1 Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 I too have a Quick Q About the Zyglak now. Given that everything in the Matoran Universe supposedly had a purpose, and the Zyglak were 'the Great Being's mistakes', how did the Zyglak end up in the MU? The GBs obviously created them before the MU left, as otherwise they wouldn't have been there to make them. So why did they put in a rogue species that could compromise the Great Spirits mission? Quote - Taipu1.HighFly MatoranShowdownBZPRPG ProfilesHave you seen my Blog? I understand if you haven't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishers64 Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 ^ Maybe the zyglak species were supposed to perform a purpose, then they went rogue and crazy after Mata Nui left. Quote Hero Factory RPG | Bionicle Mafia XXIX: Storyline & Theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erebus Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 If they were created accidentally, it's hard to believe they had a purpose. :PThe Great Beings probably thought that, like the Matoran, the Zyglak would not be able to develop emotions and higher understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taipu1 Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 If they were created accidentally, it's hard to believe they had a purpose. :PThe Great Beings probably thought that, like the Matoran, the Zyglak would not be able to develop emotions and higher understanding.That would be a bit naive of them, given they know the kind of thing Energized Protodermis does. Quote - Taipu1.HighFly MatoranShowdownBZPRPG ProfilesHave you seen my Blog? I understand if you haven't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makuta_of_Oz Posted November 27, 2011 Author Share Posted November 27, 2011 (edited) I too have a Quick Q About the Zyglak now. Given that everything in the Matoran Universe supposedly had a purpose, and the Zyglak were 'the Great Being's mistakes', how did the Zyglak end up in the MU? The GBs obviously created them before the MU left, as otherwise they wouldn't have been there to make them. So why did they put in a rogue species that could compromise the Great Spirits mission?^ Maybe the zyglak species were supposed to perform a purpose, then they went rogue and crazy after Mata Nui left.Nope. The Zyglak were created by accident, and served no purpose whatsoever.The GBs decided to let the Zyglak live in the MU despite that, probably to keep them out of the GB's hair, without committing mass murder that could potentially have seen many GBs killed in revenge as well. Edited November 27, 2011 by Makuta_of_Oz Quote If you use correct grammar in your posts (or try hard to), place this in your signature. Join Myst's campaign for correct grammar usage on BZPower! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarohum Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Uh.... I don't think there is a specific number. Although, your question does bring up another interesting question: We know that the Matoran were produced at a certain amount, there were 100 Makuta,and the other species were probably formed in some good round number, like 500 or 10,000. So, the question now is, how many Zyglak are there total? I don't think we were ever given an estimate on their numbers, so I'm now curious about that. That'd be a good question to know the answer to! Since it's unlikely the Zyglak were 'recreated' like the Matoran and other species (unless they were able to reproduce on their own), odds are they're fewer in number than other MU species. EW! MENTAL SCAR! MENTAL SCAR!Well, a specific number of Zyglak in existence was never mentioned, as their existence is a complete accident. I'm guessing there's probably no more than 500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erebus Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Also, seeing as they were created in the MU, it was probably better to leave the Zyglak there. The Great Beings sound as if they don't like destroying their own creations, at least by their own hand. Tren Krom comes to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just A Dot Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 The GB were pretty sloppy when they made the Matoran Universe, so leaving the Zyglak in could have been a mistake.I hate that word Zyglak. It is so ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taipu1 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 (edited) The GB were pretty sloppy when they made the Matoran Universe, so leaving the Zyglak in could have been a mistake.I hate that word Zyglak. It is so ugly.Think the way the name sounds is a testament to what the actual Zyglak are like. Its a wonder the GB's plan succeeded with some of the mistakes they made...The GBs decided to let the Zyglak live in the MU despite that, probably to keep them out of the GB's hair, without committing mass murder that could potentially have seen many GBs killed in revenge as well.What with the GBs creating Marendar, I'd say they aren't entirely opposed to mass murder Edited November 27, 2011 by Taipu1 Quote - Taipu1.HighFly MatoranShowdownBZPRPG ProfilesHave you seen my Blog? I understand if you haven't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toa of Italy Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 I personally think the Krana were created inside the MU, so when the Zyglak came into being, they were already in the MU. Then they escaped the GBs. Or another possibility is that the GBs, like Artakha with the Crystal Serpents, didn't want to destroy what they had created (sure, they created Marendar to destroy the Toa, but that was just a precaution, they weren't sure if the Toa would go bad or not).As for their numbers, we have to remember that there are hundreds, maybe thousands, of Bohrok, so there are hundreds of Krana too. If there was a 50-50 possibility of whatever was used to create Krana becoming Krana or Zyglak, then there are probably hundreds of Zyglak in the MU. Quote My collection of epics: The Sanctum of Writing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makuta Matata Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Uh.... I don't think there is a specific number. Although, your question does bring up another interesting question:We know that the Matoran were produced at a certain amount, there were 100 Makuta,and the other species were probably formed in some good round number, like 500 or 10,000. So, the question now is, how many Zyglak are there total? I don't think we were ever given an estimate on their numbers, so I'm now curious about that.We also have to take into account Zyglak that have died.... Quote Three on Three - Memoirs of the Dead - Winner!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toa of Nerds Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 I too have a Quick Q About the Zyglak now. Given that everything in the Matoran Universe supposedly had a purpose, and the Zyglak were 'the Great Being's mistakes', how did the Zyglak end up in the MU? The GBs obviously created them before the MU left, as otherwise they wouldn't have been there to make them. So why did they put in a rogue species that could compromise the Great Spirits mission?^ Maybe the zyglak species were supposed to perform a purpose, then they went rogue and crazy after Mata Nui left.Nope. The Zyglak were created by accident, and served no purpose whatsoever.The GBs decided to let the Zyglak live in the MU despite that, probably to keep them out of the GB's hair, without committing mass murder that could potentially have seen many GBs killed in revenge as well.I get the impression that the GB's weren't exactly averse to the idea of mass murder if something went wrong. I get the impression that they would actually be more willing to destroy a mistake than they would be to just let it go free.-don't touch my pocket protector Quote Three great comedies at one low, low price....NOTHING! Kicking the Bucket (archived)Three late-middle age matoran think of something they want to do before they kick the bucket. Choose Your Own Bionicle Adventure (archived)Navigate your way through a myriad of meaningless choices as you try to not make a fool of yourself in perhaps the only comedy ever written almost entirely in spoiler tags. Useless BZP Junk that you Must Have!!!Get to your phone, whip out your credit card, and prepare to buy some useless BZPower related junk that has no benefit on society except that you want it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishers64 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 ^ This. This was why I thought they were prevented, somehow. Maybe they resisted destruction or they were created by a crazy GB that would not let the other Great Beings destroy them. That GB might be the one that went into the MU to observe...but now I am speculating. Quote Hero Factory RPG | Bionicle Mafia XXIX: Storyline & Theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makuta_of_Oz Posted December 14, 2011 Author Share Posted December 14, 2011 If the GBs preferred to destroy mistakes rather than let them go free, then they would've killed the Zyglak.*begins to imagine an alternate universe with no Zyglak* Quote If you use correct grammar in your posts (or try hard to), place this in your signature. Join Myst's campaign for correct grammar usage on BZPower! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishers64 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 If the GBs preferred to destroy mistakes rather than let them go free, then they would've killed the Zyglak.*begins to imagine an alternate universe with no Zyglak*Since when have the Great Beings destroyed any of their mistakes? The Element Lords and the Baterra are still around... Quote Hero Factory RPG | Bionicle Mafia XXIX: Storyline & Theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makuta_of_Oz Posted December 15, 2011 Author Share Posted December 15, 2011 If the GBs preferred to destroy mistakes rather than let them go free, then they would've killed the Zyglak.*begins to imagine an alternate universe with no Zyglak*Since when have the Great Beings destroyed any of their mistakes? The Element Lords and the Baterra are still around...Toa of Nerds was the one who said it.The GBs actually did try and shut down the baterra, but failed. Quote If you use correct grammar in your posts (or try hard to), place this in your signature. Join Myst's campaign for correct grammar usage on BZPower! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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