HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 OOC: The Astarians insisted on a direct meeting with the head of state because they're lunatics, and the Queen agreed because if the Astarians try anything, they're surrounded by soldiers. A dead Queen can be replaced, but Astaria could never regain the international standing they would lose in this sort of assassination attempt.IC: "The rumors you heard were, as I said, fanciful speculation. As your government is well aware, thanks to recent trade agreements, we do have an interest in applied electromagnetics, but working on weapons now would be akin to putting the engine in the water before the boat was even built."As you guessed at the last meeting, however, we do pride ourselves on our shipyards. If your government provides the specifications, we could easily procure a new vessel for your military." Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrd Bid Ful Araed Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 IC: The Walruusaan colonies soon found that their claims were obstructed by Aquileonese mining projects, and that the Aquileonese had already been here for a while. OOC: Just to confirm from looking at your industry reports, this is just a mining operation, not a proper colony, yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 OOC: You are correct. I suspect we should wait until we can consult Humva on this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted April 27, 2012 Author Share Posted April 27, 2012 OOCAquileon has miners there; thus, Aquileon territory. You can colonize it, but it's going cause some serious issues with the Aquileonese. Or you can recton it somewhere else like I did with my colony. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xomeron Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) IC:The Astarians responded with a folder on their dolphins, primarily the Bottlenose Dolphin. Edited April 27, 2012 by cardworkMagician Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted April 27, 2012 Author Share Posted April 27, 2012 IC [standast]Having just partied three months straight, most Stans found it hard to get back into the normality of life, but the Stan economy managed to fix itself all the same. At the same time, many a Stan TV personality had begun to try to export their shows to other nations, all while Stans attempted to spread their language to the world. In Standast it was becoming a sort of contest, seeing who knew the most languages, so Stans everywhere visited countries to learn their language and teach their own at the same time. The current record was six different linguists who spoke every known language on the planet fluently. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 OOC: Can we please get this Luna meeting started? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xomeron Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) OOC: Soon, I'll be home in two hours.IC:The Stan Tv personalities had an interesting time on the Astarian TV scene. Besides the ad-free government programming, there were five big corporation who headed the programming, and anyone looking to get into the business would have to go through them; they, however, had their programming filled for at least the next season. Edited April 27, 2012 by cardworkMagician Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrd Bid Ful Araed Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 IC: It was pointed out to the Aquileonese that the Waalrusaan had laid an official claim to this place by sending actual colonists to the co-ordinates. The Aquileonese, regardless of the fact they had been there first, had not. It therefore official Waalrusaan territory, not official Aquileonese territory, and they were in fact trespassing. They would be given as long as they needed to leave, and were permitted to take whatever they liked. If they wished to take even the bigger mining tools the Waalrusaan were perfectly happy to provide them with machinery to move it. But they would have to leave, and their equipment would have to be moved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xomeron Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) IC: Lunar Meeting"Gentlemen, Ladies." An Astarian woman with dark brown hair and blue eyes with a purple asterisk began. "Good to see you here. We all know why we're here." She tapped a map next to her, composed of pictures taken from Reverene-2's orbital module. "Luna. We need to decide what we'll do about it; whether to establish international laws there, who owns what, and the like. Astaria's laid claim to this area" The woman held up a transparent sheet, with one section colored translucent to show the claim. "The region we've designated 'The Sea Of Tranquility' and, we ought to know, do any of you dispute this claim, or have other claims you wish to file?" As she said this, a young man stuck a pair of flag-shaped pins into the map, indicating the landing points of the Reverene and Luminous missions.IC: Alessia"That is a possibility, but then we'd be giving away the schematics for our ships along with our bombers. It may be worth it, though" Alessia smiled. "Now, from what I've heard, you intend to build up your Air Force with Astarian technology, correct? I have a proposition. The Bombers are a force-projection system, designed to let us rain down fire far beyond our borders. I think that Varangia would be more interested in defensive measures, would it not?"IC:At the Forum, the Astarians, with little ceremony, introduced one of the Antarian ambassadors to the Forum representatives, explaining where he'd come from. Edited April 27, 2012 by cardworkMagician Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast of Awesomeness Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 IC: The Anitalian diplomat raised an eyebrow."If we are to start claiming pieces of the moon, how long til someone sets their eyes on Mars, or the moons of Jupiter? On our own world, claims are all well and good. However, it is the belief of my nation that space belongs to all, and to divide it will accomplish nothing." Quote Well, would you just look at that? I'm a piece of toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xomeron Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 IC:"What makes space different from ground? The ground is cheap and easy to reach, but space is expensive, to get out of Terra's deep well. So you say that the corporations and nations which pour hundreds of thousands of grams into space exploration will get no territory for their effort? That seems to me like an excellent way to discourage travel beyond Terra." Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 IC: [Lunar Summit] "The Aquileonese position is that claims are pointless unless backed up by a physical presence." The Aquileonese ambassador stated.~+~[Territorial Dispute]With all due respect to the representatives of Walruusaan, the presence of "colonists" did not change a thing: Aquileonese people were already living on this land and had been here for some time. To move because someone else arrived later would deprive the companies of everything they had invested in. The facility would not move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xomeron Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 IC:"A valid point, and one we are working to rectify." Alessia said, smiling. The government had budgeted for a Launch within a decade. "Another concern, then, is a proposition that is currently entering the theoretical stage. Rockets such as the type Reverne and Luminous used are expensive, and a consistent draw on resources. I think that we would all be interested in a more sustainable solution?" Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 IC: The Aquileonese representative raised an eyebrow. "Like what?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xomeron Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 IC:"A technology, currently in the hypothetical stages. Essentially, taking a tall mountain, one preferably on the Equator, and building a massive series of concentric rings. Each of these rings is a massive electromagnet which, as the object being launched approaches, activates, and then deactivates once the rocket is beyond range. The series of rings thus proceeds to fling a ferromagnetic object very high and very quickly; not quickly enough to reach escape velocity, but quickly enough to massively cut down on the necessary size of the rocket." She paused to inhale. "This is, of course, a massive, multinational undertaking that no nation, likely no two nations, could do alone. As the Antilian said, space belongs to everyone. This sort of thing, and our sort of people, should be above nationalistic rivalries." Quote That being said, thag thag thaggity thag thagness.-Rover "A memo was sent to Astaria asking if it would at all be possible to make a flying goat.""The Astarians responded that making a goat fly would be trivial; making it land safely would be another matter entirely." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 IC: The Aquileonese ambassador sat back in surprise."An ambitious undertaking, to be sure. I am no scientist, but even I can see a few problems. First, how do you plan to power them? Second, how do you intend to suspend them?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast of Awesomeness Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 OOC: Can you guys please attempt to spell it right? My nation's name is Anitalia.IC: The Anitalian seemed skeptical as well."This seems the stuff of fiction, though I'm no scientist. Do we have this technology?" Quote Well, would you just look at that? I'm a piece of toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrd Bid Ful Araed Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 IC: The Waalrusaan once again pointed out that, as they were the official claimants of the land, it was their territory. The Aquileonese had made no attempts to have the place recognised as Aquileon soil. So they would be moving. The only question was when and how Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 IC: The Aquileonese representative, at this point, walked out of the disussion. The next day, ten battalions were parked outside the Walruusaan outpost with Vultures and Gyrfalcons overhead.The Aquileon general grinned. Your territory? Prove it. He thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed Blade Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 OOC: Can you guys please attempt to spell it right? My nation's name is Anitalia.OOC: The nation of Atrana acknowledges the request, Antlion, but wishes to have it's name spelled correctly first. =P Though, I think Hat just has an obsession with ants. =P-==IC: Atrana==-The Atranian ambassadors to Astaria nodded, as they listened to what they could make out of the meeting. Quote The Pokemon TopicPokemon: Rise of the Rockets - Rise of the Rockets Discussion Topic - Rise of the Rockets Side Stories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 IC: "That is correct - our primary interest is in keeping our nation well-defended. Conquest is not, at this time, a goal of ours." Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrd Bid Ful Araed Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 IC: No no, the Waalrusaan were not going to play that game. They weren't going to indulge the Aquileonese in a bout of soldiers. Instead they called for a meeting of the Forum of Nations. The Aquileon had disregard previous arrangements in terms of claimed land, and had clearly made the first move of aggression. The Waalrusaan just wanted their land as peacefully as possible and were putting their cause to the world. That way they'd have everyone on their side. Did the general of the mining facility really think they'd risk the ire of the whole world just so he could have his little war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 IC: Aquileon backed their commander. The mining facility had been there first and had always been acknowledged as the owners of the land they sat on. Walruusaan had infringed on their territory and the commander had given them ample time to back off before resorting to force to remove them. The rest of the Aquileon military would be dispatched wherever it was needed to protect Aquileonese property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrd Bid Ful Araed Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 (edited) IC: The Waalrusaan cited this latest Aquileonese argument as proof of exactly what they had saying. The Aquileonese had made no claim on the land, they'd simply taken it. And when Waalrusaan colonists had turned up after going through official channels, they were being forced away with threats. The Aquileonese would turn their guns on innocent, unarmed civilians. Just for money and greed Edited April 28, 2012 by Armageddon Out Of Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 IC: The Varangian delegation to the Forum, as had become typical, remained silent. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 (edited) IC: The Aquileonese pointed out that, aside from actually settling on the land, there were no official channels, and that "We were here first" is a perfectly legal argument.~+~Meanwhile, the Walruusaan colonists were escorted back to the coast until Walruusaan was willing to come pick them up. They were provided with supplies and shelter but informed that unless things changed radically they would not be settling here. Edited April 28, 2012 by Lloyd: the White Wolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrd Bid Ful Araed Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 IC: The Waalrusaan pointed out that all nations had used the official channels to claim swathes of the continent for their own. The Stan and Astarians had both set out co-ordinates as theirs, not just those they'd colonised. Just because the Aquileonese chose to ignore the official channels didn't mean they weren't there.They hoped that would lend some further credence to their argument. If their claim was rendered invalid then it set out a precedent to invalidate the claims of the other nations. They'd have to support the Waalrusaan or the continent would be a free-for-all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 OOC: You realize there are literally no official channels, yes? You send out colonists to claim an area or say "I plant a military base here" or whatever. I did the same thing.IC: Aquleon asked if the Walruusaan minded if an Aquileon colony was planted at one of their smaller outposts, for example a military base. It had never been a secret of Aquileon's presence, all of the nations who had relevant interests in the area had acknowledged the facility, and once again, there were no official channels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrd Bid Ful Araed Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 OOC: Then how have the other nations been saying "I claim all the territory around this"? They've clearly had some way of letting everyone know "I want this" that would legally allow them to protest if someone else tried to take it so there must be official channelsIC: The Waalrusaan answered they would be happy to settle an Aquileon colony on one of their outposts. Since R13 was so close by would they prefer that? It would certainly allow the place to become the harbour city they intended it to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 OOC: They can certainly say "This is [insert nation here]'s territory" which is exactly what happened with the mining facility. Other than that, there's nothing.IC: The Aquileon ambassador was, by this time, fully exasperated. He informed Walruusaan that the mining facility was public knowledge, the NEA and Astaria had acknowledged that area as Aquileon territory (Varangia had not bothered with it and until Walruusaan had not cared) and it had been duly stated to exist. Claims were pointless as he could easily say "All of Europa is now claimed on behalf of Aquileon" and it would have little effect. The only thing that matter was who had settled the territory first and, in this case, that "who" was Aquileon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrd Bid Ful Araed Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 OOC: Actually referring to posts like this which show claims aren't a matter of who got there first. If the Stan can make claims like that and expect other people to stick to it, there has to be an official way of doing things. Likewise there has to be something stopping people just claiming all EuropaIC: The Waalrusaan drew notice to the fact that their offer of compromise had been ignored. Once again their attempts at settling this peacefully, in this case exchanging a facility on P11 for one on R13, had been rebuffed. As for it being regarded as Aquileon territory, well they had evidence to the contrary. They'd had time to collect evidence from the Elucidated Converts in the other nations. There was no map that showed the area as Aquileon ownedOOC: Partly referring to its absence on the map, partly referring to the fact that it doesn't appear in your industry report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 OOC: The validity of such claims is entirely dependent on the nations involved respecting them. Aquileon has no legal precedent (nor inclination to add one) to this. I've expressed similar opinions in the Lunar meeting.IC: Aquileon requested to know of the presence of treaties governing territorial claims in Europa. Naturally, they were shocked--shocked! to discover that no such treaties existed. The suggestion to park an Aquileon colony on a Walruusaan military base had been sarcastic and in any case it would be to Aquileon's detriment to give up their territory for a military base. Aquileon maps did in fact mark that area as owned by Aquileon.This also proved to the NKVD that the religious cults that had sprung up were, in fact, spy rings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrd Bid Ful Araed Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 OOC: And that was kind of my point. If they want those claims of theirs to be respected, they have to respect the Waalrusaans. In both situations the nation has gone "I want this piece of land please" and expected the others to respect their personal space. In this case its the Waalrusaan who have said they want the land, since, as far as I can tell, the Astarians just moved in. If the other nations decline this it means everywhere becomes up for grabs. "Whats that Astaria? You're building a military base right next to my settlement? I don't like that very much." "Well thats just tough Mister Stans because its here now and theres precedent for letting me stay." They have to support the Waalrusaan or its going to be war. Not sure what to do until some of the other nations actually comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 OOC: I am perfectly capable and willing to defend my territory with force. If Xomeron wanted to build an Astarian base next to a Stan colony then Humva would be well within his rights to remove it, but it sure ain't happening because of negotiations.Like I said. Your territory? Prove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Humva Posted April 28, 2012 Author Share Posted April 28, 2012 IC [Forum]The Stans watched the rapidly declining situation and the government knew the two parties weren't about to settle their differences peacefully. A quick phone call and the Stan military was put on alert, the battallions being trained in Europa immediately moving, half of them moving to protect the Europa colony while the other half returned to Standast to secure the land. This was not going be pretty.[Lunar meeting]The Stans remained silent for a moment, letting the Aquileons talk. Quote 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after." -Isaac Asimov, responding to a letter he had received saying that scientific certainty was false, The Relativity of Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 OOC: Ah, brinksmanship. This is going to be fun.IC: The Varangian delegates noted, with interest, that most of the nations present seemed quite content to allow the Waalrusaans and Aquilonians to debate the matter without their input. Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kothra Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 IC(Kiserre/General): Six Ajisashi naval helicopters were completed. Two of them were stationed on the Yoshikirizame frigate Pierre at Harushima. The other four were put into storage in a warhouse on the outskirts of Hitoshi until the other Yoshikirizame frigates were complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara White Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 (edited) OOC: Doesn't look like anyone is going to intervene, Power.IC: All production was halted until further notice (except for the Kestrels, due next month) and another Sabre was put under construction. Two provinces were dedicated to its construction.Meanwhile, new submarine specs were made and plans were drawn up to impress civilian ships into service. The Aquileon observation satellite took a look at the forces deployed at R-13.OOC: These have been approved.Vehicle Class: Piranha-class subsVehicle Description: A basic submarine with no bells or whistles. However, it does have a Fleet-Snorkel-esque addition.Weaponry: 10x torpedo tubesUpkeep/Build time/Build Cost: 60 IP/10 daysVehicle Class: City-class auxiliary cruisersVehicle Description: Basically, a civilian ship with a letter of marque.Weaponry: 1x anti-ship missile launcher (think an Exocet)Upkeep/Build time/Build Cost: 2 IP for 5/4 days Edited April 28, 2012 by Lloyd: the White Wolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalSunshineSister Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 OOC: So is this war-games thing going to happen? Quote We will remember - Skies may fade and stars may wane; we won't forget And your light shines bright - yes so much brighter shine on We will remember - Until the skies will fall we won't forget We will remember We all shall follow doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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