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On Making A Toa

Matoran to toa

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#1 Offline Toa Chuck

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Posted Feb 21 2012 - 06:22 PM

So this theory came about when I was wondering how a sixth of a toa's power could become a full supply of toa power. I came up with this. Inside of matoran destined to be toa, there is a small chamber with a full supply of toa power. This chamber is made of a substance harder than protosteel, and can only be broken by toa power channeled through a suva, kanohi, or other channeling device.This explains why helryx was able to allow krakua to fulfull his destiny early, but not just some random matoran loyal to the order. Only matoran destined by the great being would have these chambers.I also propose that these chambers also contain mutigins of the same type the makuta use. These mutigins would transform the matoran into a toa.This is not as far-fetched as you might think. The great beings often reused stuff, including built in rohtuka spinners, and kanohi. The toa power is seperate from the size increase, as in the melding universe, the toa were the size of matoran, but had full toa power.The mutagins also tie into the last part of my theory. When a toa sacrifices their toa power, I think that their body then cleans out the virus's which causes the toa to revert to a matoran like state. But virus residue results in the turaga to be a little bigger than a matoran, and their minds are still mostly as it was as a toa, allowing use of noble masks.This makes sence because essecially, the only real difference other than mask use between a matoran and turaga, is the wisdom accumulated from time as a toa. The only time we see turaga as being significantly bigger than matoran was in 2001, and those matoran had been shrunken by the matoran spheres.Summery:My theory is that matoran destined to become toa have a small chamber inside them, harder than protosteel, that can only be broken with toa energy. The power in the toa stone is channeled through the shrine or mask, and breaks open this chamber. It contains a full amount of toa energy, and mutagenic viruses (like the makuta use) that change the shape of the matoran to a toa. When a toa becomes a turaga, they loose all their toa energy and virus, reverting them to a matoran like state (seriously, they are the same size as matoran), but the power residue and mental capacitys stay, allowing useage of noble masks.
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Posted Feb 21 2012 - 08:01 PM

Hmm I was always under the impression that Toa Power was simply energy. Oh, and I don't think its just destined Matoran that have, as you propose, a chamber of Toa Power- all Matoran have the potential to become Toa, but only a few actually become Toa.

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Posted Feb 21 2012 - 09:35 PM

Turaga are naturally bigger than matoran, always. The only reason they seem the same height is because of the sets. Even as non-shrunken matoran, the Turaga would have been slighter larger in stature.Either way, I like the virus idea, more so because it really makes sense. I'm not exactly sure about the chamber inside matoran, though that doesn't mean it's not plausible.
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Posted Feb 21 2012 - 11:06 PM

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Posted Feb 22 2012 - 09:33 AM

This makes sense to me. It fits in nicely with what we know about Toa energy and mutagenic viruses. I support it. :)
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Posted Feb 22 2012 - 10:14 AM

Seems like a pretty sound theory to me, but I think that it's kind of unlikely that the Great Beings would develop a material harder then Protosteel just for this purpose (like Bonesiii said), and it seems that something shattering inside of a Matoran's body would have effects on the surrounding internal machinery/organics. Maybe they used magnetic fields to contain the Toa Power? Then, the energy would disable the device generating the magnetic field and it wouldn't disable/injure other internal mechanisms/organics nearby.Edit: clarifying last sentence

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Posted Feb 22 2012 - 10:12 PM

Well, since the matoran are machines at face-value, the toa energy could act as an activation code for the matoran, who harness the energy and activates that portion of toa energy in them like you theorized.
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Posted Feb 22 2012 - 11:58 PM

I am confused as to why a virus would be necessary here. The latent Toa energy in destined Matoran, triggered by the application of additional Toa energy, would be enough to morph the protodermis to contain it. When Toa become Turaga, there's some Toa energy left over, so they assume the Turaga shape instead of the Matoran form. Simple as that. Right?

Edited by fishers64, Feb 22 2012 - 11:58 PM.

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Posted Feb 23 2012 - 12:26 AM

It isn't necessary, but in most other transformations there has been some kind of a mutagenic substance, so it does make sense.
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Posted Feb 23 2012 - 04:14 PM

hmmm it does make since as in the mutagen but the shell harder then proto steel would if shatter break ogans or something like that. But also the only moatoren we have seen become a toa are some what the odd balls of the matoren life htey are different form the other moatoren (don't blam me for spelling for moatoren i don't know how to spell it) :giveup:or fall. makuta. tecnokua: http://www.bzpower.c...tyle_emoticons/default/ibuk-sign.gif . Makuta: what does that say. Tecnkua: http://www.bzpower.c...tyle_emoticons/default/ugly-sign.gif Makuta. Makuta: THATS IT.... were is that mask of shadow :???: and that was the radom makuta battle i just came uup with :P
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