Least Favorite Aspect of New Sets?

[LegoSWfan]

For me personally, it was TLM that tried to be mature and failed. And if our opinions seem to be antagonistic to each other, perhaps its best we avoid each other.

[fishers64]

 

You seriously think that TLM was more mature than Bionicle?

 

I hope g2 is more like 06-08.

More like '06? MORE LIKE '06? MORE LIKE '06?

 

The most hated year of Bionicle? '06? Don't you say that word again! '06... Good grief. 

 

As for TLM, Bionicle had imitation maturity. '06-'08 tried to be mature, but a combination of things resulted in it coming off as unnecessarily gritty.

 

The Lego Movie had actual maturity. True morals, a very deep symbolism, good themes... It was infinitely more mature that those years. 

 

I raise this news article:

 

 

 

LEGO has released a press release reporting on its placing in the 2006 toy market, including great news for Bionicle. It sums up results across LEGO lines, which looks quite positive overall despite a tough market, and has this report: "BIONICLE ranked #2 among most requested brands among American boys in 2006(5), with double-digit sales growth." Let's hope this positive news continues in 2007!

 

The second most desirable brand was hated by everyone? Wat.  

[Klack]

I don't really get how TLM had any sense of 'maturity' in it. To me, it was just another kiddy movie. Though, I guess Batman was a bit gruff.

[Sir Kohran]

I think it's fair to say 2006 was a controversial year for anyone who'd been a fan for more than a year prior. A pledge that the established heroes (the Nuva) would return wasn't fulfilled (unless you count a sequence in which we got to see our characters get brutally pulverised), the line relied on a cringeworthy All American Rejects cameo for promotion, the hip hop/gangster aesthetic of the Piraka was greatly at odds with the high fantasy feel of previous years, the sudden prevalence of 'Zamor' firearms was also at odds with the melee equipment, and Voya Nui was a negative caricature of a setting.

 

I'm sure people who found Bionicle in this year will insist that all this was awesome, but to many of us who'd been fans before then it certainly wasn't.

[Rahkshi Lalonde]

I don't really get how TLM had any sense of 'maturity' in it. To me, it was just another kiddy movie. Though, I guess Batman was a bit gruff.

 

well first it's important to remember true maturity doesn't lie in separating yourself from "childish" things in favor of the grim and serious. :0

[IcarusBen]

 

 

You seriously think that TLM was more mature than Bionicle?

 

I hope g2 is more like 06-08.

More like '06? MORE LIKE '06? MORE LIKE '06?

 

The most hated year of Bionicle? '06? Don't you say that word again! '06... Good grief. 

 

As for TLM, Bionicle had imitation maturity. '06-'08 tried to be mature, but a combination of things resulted in it coming off as unnecessarily gritty.

 

The Lego Movie had actual maturity. True morals, a very deep symbolism, good themes... It was infinitely more mature that those years. 

 

I raise this news article:

 

 

 

LEGO has released a press release reporting on its placing in the 2006 toy market, including great news for Bionicle. It sums up results across LEGO lines, which looks quite positive overall despite a tough market, and has this report: "BIONICLE ranked #2 among most requested brands among American boys in 2006(5), with double-digit sales growth." Let's hope this positive news continues in 2007!

 

The second most desirable brand was hated by everyone? Wat.  

 

I'm talking about longtime fans of the series hating it. Most everyone I'm friends with agree that 06 was the worst year of Bionicle, then 05, then (while I don't agree with it) 08, 10 and 09.

[Zidonaro]

Lack of new shells, old foot, and I think some color schemes are off, like Gali's. 

 

You seem to be forgetting that Makuta DID have a team uniform. They all wore the same armour as Teridax back in the day.

 

Wait, really ? I didn't know. Do you have a source on this info ?

Edited December 12, 2014 by Zidonaro

[Aanchir]

I am not a huge fan of 2006 (I preferred 2007 in most respects), but for me that had more to do with its rushed pacing and lack of characterization for the Toa Inika than with it being extraordinarily dark. After all, I greatly preferred 2007, which was in many ways a lot darker than 2006 had been.

 

I also don't think it is great to generalize long-time fans as hating 2006. I remember that some long-time fans were VERY happy with 2006 compared to the previous few years in certain respects. For instance, we started to see color schemes that were less repetitive than those of the Toa Metru, Vahki, Toa Hordika, etc. (technically, the Visorak had started that, but the 2006 sets continued it). Also, the setting returned to a tropical island setting, which some people greatly preferred to Metru Nui's urban, slightly cyberpunk setting. Obviously, there were other things that were not so popular with more traditional fans, like the disappearance of gear functions or the increase in gun-like weapons. But not EVERYTHING about 2006 was hated by old-school fans.

[Sir Kohran]

 

 

Also, the setting returned to a tropical island setting, which some people greatly preferred to Metru Nui's urban, slightly cyberpunk setting.

 

But that setting was largely wasted because unlike the original island setting, there was no MNOLG or movie to explore it in any detail.

 

I'd also question whether Metru Nui was really very cyber or technological. It still has a large stone temple and bridges, stone structures carved by hand, dimly lit tunnels, a lot of desolate areas, and dangerous Rahi here and there. Not what might be expected of a high-tech, futuristic city.

[Lyichir]

 

Also, the setting returned to a tropical island setting, which some people greatly preferred to Metru Nui's urban, slightly cyberpunk setting.

 

But that setting was largely wasted because unlike the original island setting, there was no MNOLG or movie to explore it in any detail.

 

I'd also question whether Metru Nui was really very cyber or technological. It still has a large stone temple and bridges, stone structures carved by hand, dimly lit tunnels, a lot of desolate areas, and dangerous Rahi here and there. Not what might be expected of a high-tech, futuristic city.

 

It also had giant factory-like forges, a vacuum-based rapid transit system, and an enormous subterranean archive. Perhaps not "cyber" but technological and urban for sure.

[Aanchir]

 

 

Also, the setting returned to a tropical island setting, which some people greatly preferred to Metru Nui's urban, slightly cyberpunk setting.

 

But that setting was largely wasted because unlike the original island setting, there was no MNOLG or movie to explore it in any detail.

 

I'd also question whether Metru Nui was really very cyber or technological. It still has a large stone temple and bridges, stone structures carved by hand, dimly lit tunnels, a lot of desolate areas, and dangerous Rahi here and there. Not what might be expected of a high-tech, futuristic city.

 

It also had giant factory-like forges, a vacuum-based rapid transit system, and an enormous subterranean archive. Perhaps not "cyber" but technological and urban for sure.

 

Don't forget the robot police force and gigantic television screens for addressing the populace!

[Toa Green Ninja]

I could list a few.

 

-Silvers hands

-Protector of Fire is a pretty bad set

-No trans-yellow on Pohatu and Protector of Stone

-Onua's shoulderpads

-Lord of Skull Spiders' backside

 

There's a few more that I can't remember, but other than those (minor) disappointments, LEGO did a great job.

[Sir Kohran]

 

 

 

Also, the setting returned to a tropical island setting, which some people greatly preferred to Metru Nui's urban, slightly cyberpunk setting.

 

But that setting was largely wasted because unlike the original island setting, there was no MNOLG or movie to explore it in any detail.

 

I'd also question whether Metru Nui was really very cyber or technological. It still has a large stone temple and bridges, stone structures carved by hand, dimly lit tunnels, a lot of desolate areas, and dangerous Rahi here and there. Not what might be expected of a high-tech, futuristic city.

It also had giant factory-like forges, a vacuum-based rapid transit system, and an enormous subterranean archive. Perhaps not "cyber" but technological and urban for sure.

Don't forget the robot police force and gigantic television screens for addressing the populace!

 

I'm not saying there was no technology at all, just that there are other aspects about the island that seem quite rustic.

 

I do find a notable absence of anything resembling personal computers, laptops or mobile phones.

[believe victims]

Also, the setting returned to a tropical island setting, which some people greatly preferred to Metru Nui's urban, slightly cyberpunk setting.

I feel like Voya Nui was a very different tropical island than Mata Nui. Mata Nui was a mystical island with rich culture and character to it. Voya Nui was a rock with every feature described in terms of over-the-top deadliness, with literal gangsters for villains that were even said in some promotional material to live in a garage.

 

I think saying it returned to a tropical island setting makes it sound like it grew at all closer to 2001 than the Metru Nui arc did, but if anything, I think 2006 was just about the furthest from the 2001 atmosphere Bionicle ever got.

[LegoSWfan]

Well the island WAS known as the Daggers of Death. Not the "come and have a fun koli match island".

[Master Inika]

As a BIONICLE fan since 2003, I thought 2006 was a welcomed change of pace. I appreciated how it sort of deconstructed the high fantasy feel of the island of Mata Nui. At the same time, I didn't find the darker tone too jarring. I think 2004 and 2005 were also quite dark, so I think it's more of an overall trend over the years than BIONICLE being lighthearted and happy right up until a hyper-shadowy 2006. If it was some marketing ploy to continue to please aging teens, it totally worked on me.

[LegoSWfan]

06 doesn't deserve the hate it gets.

[Daler99]

I agree completely.  I loved 2006.

[LegoSWfan]

Laser guns FTW!

[bioniclepluslotr]

I never paid much attention to the story, I just liked the 2006 sets and not any of the Metru Nui sets.

[Blueblur21]

The ONLY flaws I have for this reboot are the stickers and maybe the art style. I don't want my Toa looking like Nicktoons rejects.

[LegoSWfan]

The new art style is kinda odd.

[Daler99]

I never paid much attention to the story, I just liked the 2006 sets and not any of the Metru Nui sets.

My first sets were from the Metru Nui era.  I first started really caring about the story during 2006.

 

Laser guns FTW!

LOL.  Yep.

 

Edit:  I like the art style.  It's pretty neat.

Edited December 13, 2014 by Daler99

[LegoSWfan]

Voya nui pearl?

[Danska: Shadow Master]

So, on the topic of the new sets, the things I don't like moslty boils down to the colour schemes. They have too many colours - it's mainly the metallic ones that I don't like. If you're going to have metallic colourings in a set, pick one and stick with it! Tahu doesn't come out too bad, though I don't like the silver too much, but the gold looks really out of place on both Kopaka and Onua. Gunmetal, they could have gotten away with, but the contrast between the gold/silver/main colour/secondary colour is too much.

 

By the same token, I'm not quite sure if I like the yellow on Lewa? As a colour scheme it's not too bad, but could have been handled better.

 

The other thing I dislike is the stickers/printed pieces. I'd have been happier with either plain chest armour parts, or plain ones with stickers so you can leave them off if you choose. Especially as I intend to replace Kopaka's chest piece with a gunmetal one, which will make him look a bit odd next to the others with their decorated ones.

 

Basically, yay for sets with interesting and standout colours, but they could have done with being a tad more restrained.

[Munty]

Lack of new shells, old foot, and I think some color schemes are off, like Gali's. 

 

You seem to be forgetting that Makuta DID have a team uniform. They all wore the same armour as Teridax back in the day.

 

Wait, really ? I didn't know. Do you have a source on this info ?

 

Will do my best. THIS is the image I remember but no idea where it originated from. Clearly shows other Makuta's in virtually identical armour. Also, as for the 'essence' thing, that's canon and is fetaured in at least one of the Farshey stories (one of the online ones I think) They essentially evolved to a sort of gaseous, 'spirit' form and had to wear the armour so they didn't float away and dissipate. And unless I'm very much mistaken they all would have worn the same armour at this point as that's certainly how it sounds. If you think about it, even Icarax has (vaguely) similar armour but modified to accomodate shadow leeches...

 

EDIT : didn't link image  http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070407153932/bionicle/images/e/e6/Makuta_species.jpg

Edited December 13, 2014 by Munty

[Nescent]

Lack of new shells, old foot, and I think some color schemes are off, like Gali's. 

You seem to be forgetting that Makuta DID have a team uniform. They all wore the same armour as Teridax back in the day.

Wait, really ? I didn't know. Do you have a source on this info ?

Will do my best. THIS is the image I remember but no idea where it originated from. Clearly shows other Makuta's in virtually identical armour. Also, as for the 'essence' thing, that's canon and is fetaured in at least one of the Farshey stories (one of the online ones I think) They essentially evolved to a sort of gaseous, 'spirit' form and had to wear the armour so they didn't float away and dissipate. And unless I'm very much mistaken they all would have worn the same armour at this point as that's certainly how it sounds. If you think about it, even Icarax has (vaguely) similar armour but modified to accomodate shadow leeches...

 

EDIT : didn't link image  http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070407153932/bionicle/images/e/e6/Makuta_species.jpg

 

As someone who knows very little about the Bionicle story, that image confused me so much...I was like why are there so many Teridaxes??? Good to know they are just uniforms.

[Sir Kohran]

06 doesn't deserve the hate it gets.

 

I agree completely.  I loved 2006.

 

And you both joined just this month. What a surprise.

[Nescent]

06 doesn't deserve the hate it gets.

I agree completely.  I loved 2006.

And you both joined just this month. What a surprise.

 

Why does it matter who likes it? I started Bionicle in 2001 and enjoyed 2006. The year was different from previous years, and you don't have to like it, but there are plenty of people who do.

[IcarusBen]

Kohran, are you implying something? That Salvus and Daler might be.... THE SAME PERSON?

 

Dun dun DUN!

 

Except, Daler joined on the 30th and Salvus on the 7th. So, yeah, myth busted.

 

*sad trumpet.*

 

Unless, you WEREN'T implying that. If that's the case, please just pretend this post doesn't exist.

[Iblis]

And you both joined just this month. What a surprise.

 

Eh: ToaSalvus is apparently 19 so that could add up pretty easily that he could have been a fan since '01; Daler99 is apparently 15 so I doubt he's been a fan from '01/'02/'03... but he's said "My first sets were from the Metru Nui era".

 

So whilst I don't agree with them, someone being a fan from (very close to) the beginning doesn't mean they think '06 was bad... unless you're suggesting that ToaSalvus is lying or that he wasn't a fan till later?

 

Yes it doesn't seem surprising, but I only joined late October ...then again I liked 2005 ^{(& supremely dislike 2006)}, then again I've been a fan since 2001...

 

 

Why does it matter who likes it? I started Bionicle in 2001 and enjoyed 2006. The year was different from previous years, and you don't have to like it, but there are plenty of people who do.

 

Indeed plenty do, but I think there might be a trend that those that got into Bionicle closer to year X tend to like it more than those that were fans since before year X. [& _{^{personally}} I think it's fine for anyone to like any year, there are decent reasons out there.]

[Sir Kohran]

 

 

Unless, you WEREN'T implying that. If that's the case, please just pretend this post doesn't exist.

 

I will pretend your post doesn't exist.

 

 

 

Eh: ToaSalvus is apparently 19 so that could add up pretty easily that he could have been a fan since '01; Daler99 is apparently 15 so I doubt he's been a fan from '01/'02/'03... but he's said "My first sets were from the Metru Nui era".

 

So whilst I don't agree with them, someone being a fan from (very close to) the beginning doesn't mean they think '06 was bad... unless you're suggesting that ToaSalvus is lying or that he wasn't a fan till later?

 

Yes it doesn't seem surprising, but I only joined late October ...then again I liked 2005 ^{(& supremely dislike 2006)}, then again I've been a fan since 2001...

 

I just find it telling that those sticking up for 2006 weren't on this site to know what was being said shortly before then. I suppose when you judge 2006 just by itself, after the fact and with little or no knowledge of the context, as I'm pretty sure some of these new members are doing, it isn't particularly bad. I do grant that the Inika and Piraka aren't inherently terrible hero and villain sets. That's not where the disappointment originates from.

 

The new members of today don't know that we were told the Nuva would be triumphantly returning, only to see our classic heroes being allowed in long enough to have their backsides handed to them, before being replaced with a bunch of new heroes who were meant to be other characters we knew but had almost nothing in common with them, and the mystical fantasy world we'd been enchanted by was usurped by gang culture and the All American Rejects. And when the Nuva characters finally did return, two years later, they bore no resemblance to the forms we knew them in. And the ultimate explanation we got for all this was that Lego no longer cared about pleasing established fans.

 

Looking back on 06-08, frankly I would've preferred it if they'd just rebooted the line and left the old cast behind, rather than all the painful and frustrating compromises (that we were apparently meant to be grateful for) that were made to make the square peg of 06-08 fit the circular hole of 01-03. For example, I think nearly everyone will agree that Hero Factory was highly inconsistent with Bionicle, in story, style and sets. But that didn't bother me at all because Hero Factory was never in any way meant to continue Bionicle, whereas Bionicle's 06-08 was meant to continue Bionicle's 01-03, but for the most part, it didn't.

[Blueblur21]

Speak for yourself. I loved the gang gimmick and the All American Rejects.

[LegoSWfan]

For the record, I HAVE been a fan since 01. So please so not take my likness for 06 as a statement that I hate 01/02/03. I like bionicle in all its years (accept 09), I find it odd that some of you seemed to think that.

 

Also, unlike most people during the switch to 06, I was fine with the Nuva taking a break and letting the MNOLG matoran shine for a while.

Edited December 13, 2014 by ToaSalvus

[Munty]

At hat point did this topic stop being about the new sets and start being another 'rag on 2006' thread? Someone want to try and reign it back in again maybe? I've already had my say on the new sets (several times!) The yellow bits are rubbish...

[LegoSWfan]

...as are the HF bits.

[Daler99]

While I have been a fan since the Metru Nui era, I am a fan of all years of BIONICLE, including 2005 and 2009.   Also, I'm glad that the Toa Inika/Mahri exist.  They are one of my favorite Toa teams.

 

Anyway, back on topic:

 

The part of the new sets that I like the least is the fact that there are no orange eyes.  I hope we get orange eyes this summer and purple eyes with good Makuta (whenever/if ever he is released).

[IcarusBen]

Off-topic, I originally liked 2006 (I used to own Inika Kongu, but I lost him years ago) but looking back, the only good thing it did was make the comics look less dated.

 

BTW, Ignition's actually not terrible.

 

Back on topic, I have to bring up Lewa's mask again. It sucks... It sucks so bad. It looks nothing like the original. Same goes for Gali.

[LegoSWfan]

At least Lewas new one doesn't look like he's perpetually grinning

[UngluedBike]

I really don't like the new Tahu mask. His face just feels really crushed.

Edited December 13, 2014 by UngluedBike