How Did The Piraka Get So Much Of Terry's Antidermis?

[Dralcax]

How did the Piraka get their hands on Terry’s antidermis? Legacy of Evil says that they did not notice it in the lair, and antidermis dissipates quickly if left without a container for an extended period of time, so HOW DID THEY FILL A GIANT VAT WITH TERRY? And, Antidermis is a gas, yet in the vat, it was liquid, and gas is much less dense than liquid, so in order to fill that giant vat with liquid antidermis, they would need a volume of gaseous antidermis larger than the volume of Terry’s armor.

[ALVIS]

That's a very good question. I personally have nothing.

[Makuta Matata]

I think it might be because Makuta was sorta influencing the Piraka, so his Antidermis joined them on Voya Nui after they made the Matoran build the Stronghold for them. And Zaktan just accepted that the Antidermis was there. I think he knew it was Makuta in there.

[Erebus]

When the six Piraka came to his lair to investigate his death, [Teridax] followed the Piraka to Voya Nui, where he instructed Zaktan to construct a special container which would gather his Antidermis inside.

So basically Teridax had planted into Zaktan's mind the secret of his essence and the idea to build a crystal vat. Edited October 15, 2011 by Erebus

[Observance]

I assumed it was just Teridax tagging along so he could get near the Mask of Life.I thought Antidermis wasn't entirely a gas, but actually a sort of a middle ground between gas and liquid.

Edited October 15, 2011 by Observance

[Katuko]

It's a thick gas, as far as we've seen. Vapor, sort of. And yeah, that was Teridax in the vat. Zaktan spent a long time alone with it, as far as I know, and it was implied that he conversed with it. After the vat got broken, Axonn heard someone/something scream. Not much later, Teridax appears in the Pit. Also: The cut chapter/book that was set to take place in the cord had Teridax possess Matoro's body for a little while after Matoro used his Iden to scout, thus leaving it "empty".

[The Lorax]

I think it must take quite a long time for antidermis to dissipate completely, because Teridax had no (mentioned) container from the time of his fight with Takanuva until the Piraka arrived - weeks, possibly. If he had a saftey container in Mangaia just in case he needed it, that might exoplain his survival.In the vat on Voya nui, I think (and I'm really not sure on this) the antidermis began to reghenerate once it had a container. This could explain why there was so much of it.

[Master Inika]

I think that a Makuta might just be able to control their pure Antidermis mass. Also, they can change between being gas, energy, and liquid. They are usually energy while inside a body. However, the Antidermis vat counted as a body, so Teridax was not at risk of dispersing until Axonn destroyed the vat.

[alpha123]

I think antidermis "reproduces" in a way, which would explain why there was so much of it and also why Makuta are able to take damage to their armor without long term consequences.

[Metal Gear Minun]

A plunger, two tons of vinegar and baking soda, and a some CH₄. I honestly have no idea. Teridax probably planted the idea in Zaktan's mind to use the antidermis.

[Podu]

I am more interested by HOW did they transport'em. In Dark Legacy has NOT mentioned a single thing about that...

[Steelsheen]

I am more interested by HOW did they transport'em. In Dark Legacy has NOT mentioned a single thing about that...

Very true. Personally, it seems so illogical that other Makuta dissipate so quickly, yet Teridax survived for what must at least have been weeks in his lair, without his armor or a vat or anything. He should have been long dead before the Piraka got there, let alone surviving transport to Voya-Nui... Right?

[toa kopaka4372]

I am more interested by HOW did they transport'em. In Dark Legacy has NOT mentioned a single thing about that...

Very true. Personally, it seems so illogical that other Makuta dissipate so quickly, yet Teridax survived for what must at least have been weeks in his lair, without his armor or a vat or anything. He should have been long dead before the Piraka got there, let alone surviving transport to Voya-Nui... Right?

Not necessarily true. I;m pretty sure Makuta could hold themselves together for a few weeks. Maybe it has something to do with their will? We know Teridax had a very strong will. The question of how the antidermis was transported is definitely a valid question. Zaktan might have gotten some it with him secretly in a few vials or something, but that wouldn't fit the amount of antidermis the Piraka were later shown to have. I think this is a question for GregF.

[Erebus]

The other Makuta's Antidermis were destroyed quickly. Tridax's Antidermis was destroyed by Tobduk's weapon, and Kojol's Antidermis was destroyed by the Xian foundry. As for any general Makuta's Antidermis, they can exist in their gaseous form for about two weeks.

[Master Inika]

I am more interested by HOW did they transport'em. In Dark Legacy has NOT mentioned a single thing about that...

Very true. Personally, it seems so illogical that other Makuta dissipate so quickly, yet Teridax survived for what must at least have been weeks in his lair, without his armor or a vat or anything. He should have been long dead before the Piraka got there, let alone surviving transport to Voya-Nui... Right?

Not necessarily true. I;m pretty sure Makuta could hold themselves together for a few weeks. Maybe it has something to do with their will? We know Teridax had a very strong will. The question of how the antidermis was transported is definitely a valid question. Zaktan might have gotten some it with him secretly in a few vials or something, but that wouldn't fit the amount of antidermis the Piraka were later shown to have. I think this is a question for GregF.

They teleport because teleportation is one of their powers. Simple as that. Btw, when you say Dark Legacy, you mean Legacy of Evil, right?

[Katuko]

They teleport because teleportation is one of their powers. Simple as that.

Can Teleport be used in gas form, though? Most likely it can, but then you would think other Makuta would have used it to escape as well, such as Tridax. Edited October 22, 2011 by Katuko

[Lewa0111 Nuva]

What's this about Teridax possessing Matoro? I've read every Legends book and I've never heard of that happening. But I'm pretty sure Teridax, as was said earlier, influenced Zaktan to store his antidermis so that he could influence the Piraka, and thus, the quest for the MoLi. Also, where was it stated that the antidermis became liquid while in the vat? I just assumed it was a gas that had coalesced inside the vat (any gas less dense than air can be stored in a container). Lewa0111 Nuva

[Katuko]

What's this about Teridax possessing Matoro? I've read every Legends book and I've never heard of that happening.

It was scheduled to happen in one of the books, but that part was cancelled for some reason. Greg still released info on that part of the story, and I think it stuck as canon.

[Erebus]

We know that they are capable of using telepathy. If Tridax could teleport, he would have done so instead of letting himself be killed.

[Master Inika]

They teleport because teleportation is one of their powers. Simple as that.

Can Teleport be used in gas form, though? Most likely it can, but then you would think other Makuta would have used it to escape as well, such as Tridax.

Official word is that they can use mental powers in pure Antidermis form (but not physical powers, like laser vision or chain lightning). It might take a few seconds for teleportation to work, and Tridax was being mercilessly attacked, while, for Teridax, everyone thought he was dead already.

What's this about Teridax possessing Matoro? I've read every Legends book and I've never heard of that happening.

It was scheduled to happen in one of the books, but that part was cancelled for some reason. Greg still released info on that part of the story, and I think it stuck as canon.

It was to be called BIONICLE Legends 7: Invasion. The information was released in the secon encyclopedia. It also disclosed the Krana-Zyglak relationship, among other things.

[The 1st Shadow]

Zaktan knew all along that it was Terry in the vat, since Teridax telepathically told him. And Teridax tagged along in the Toa canisters with the Piraka, I believe. There, he instructed Zaktan to make the vat, where he placed his essence. Also, Makuta antidermis is capable of becoming either a liquid, gas, or virus, so it just depends on what the situation is and what form is neccessary.

[Podu]

I am more interested by HOW did they transport'em. In Dark Legacy has NOT mentioned a single thing about that...

Very true. Personally, it seems so illogical that other Makuta dissipate so quickly, yet Teridax survived for what must at least have been weeks in his lair, without his armor or a vat or anything. He should have been long dead before the Piraka got there, let alone surviving transport to Voya-Nui... Right?

Not necessarily true. I;m pretty sure Makuta could hold themselves together for a few weeks. Maybe it has something to do with their will? We know Teridax had a very strong will. The question of how the antidermis was transported is definitely a valid question. Zaktan might have gotten some it with him secretly in a few vials or something, but that wouldn't fit the amount of antidermis the Piraka were later shown to have. I think this is a question for GregF.

They teleport because teleportation is one of their powers. Simple as that. Btw, when you say Dark Legacy, you mean Legacy of Evil, right?

Lol, I was just too lazy to check the name. You get the idea anyway :PAnd, teleport - again, Makuta cannot access to most, if not all, of their powers without an armor :S And even if he used teleportation, then where did the Piraka find him again?The whole antidermis thing is just too confusing.

[Steelsheen]

Agreed, Podu. It wasn't mysterious; just incredibly complicated and inexplicable.

[Master Inika]

Yes, Makuta cannot access most of their powers when in Antidermis form, but they still can use some. It's only the ones which require a body to use, like elemental or vision powers. Mental powers, like teleportation, can be used.

[Voxumo]

I don't have a good answer to this but a good question is how is it that Teridax can move so quickly when in antidermis form since he traveled all the way from the pit to the control room of mata-nui since that must have been over 300 miles. My only theory is that maybe he was able to catch a wind current to just carry him there. And how in the world did he get under water as a gas since that would not normally work?

[Master Inika]

I don't have a good answer to this but a good question is how is it that Teridax can move so quickly when in antidermis form since he traveled all the way from the pit to the control room of mata-nui since that must have been over 300 miles. My only theory is that maybe he was able to catch a wind current to just carry him there. And how in the world did he get under water as a gas since that would not normally work?

Teleportation. And maybe he was in his liquid form in the Pit.

[Voxumo]

I don't have a good answer to this but a good question is how is it that Teridax can move so quickly when in antidermis form since he traveled all the way from the pit to the control room of mata-nui since that must have been over 300 miles. My only theory is that maybe he was able to catch a wind current to just carry him there. And how in the world did he get under water as a gas since that would not normally work?

Teleportation. And maybe he was in his liquid form in the Pit.

Teleportation is a possibility, But from what I've read The makuta do not have a liquid version of Antidermis.Here's a example When Mata-Nui created the Makuta he took antidermis from that pool on a southern island which at that point they were a liquid. Then the Antidermis was a solid before the makuta evolved to a gaseous antidermis.So in all reality they have gone through every state of matter except Plasma which is very very unlikely that they could have due to plasma's unique properties.LIQUID>SOLID>GAS.So it is unlikely that he would have been a liquid when entering the pit. And i thought that makuta could not use physical powers while without a body. or maybe he just influenced Maxilos to come to the shore or cord before he entered the pit.

[Master Inika]

I don't have a good answer to this but a good question is how is it that Teridax can move so quickly when in antidermis form since he traveled all the way from the pit to the control room of mata-nui since that must have been over 300 miles. My only theory is that maybe he was able to catch a wind current to just carry him there. And how in the world did he get under water as a gas since that would not normally work?

Teleportation. And maybe he was in his liquid form in the Pit.

Teleportation is a possibility, But from what I've read The makuta do not have a liquid version of Antidermis.Here's a example When Mata-Nui created the Makuta he took antidermis from that pool on a southern island which at that point they were a liquid. Then the Antidermis was a solid before the makuta evolved to a gaseous antidermis.So in all reality they have gone through every state of matter except Plasma which is very very unlikely that they could have due to plasma's unique properties.LIQUID>SOLID>GAS.So it is unlikely that he would have been a liquid when entering the pit. And i thought that makuta could not use physical powers while without a body. or maybe he just influenced Maxilos to come to the shore or cord before he entered the pit.

Actually, it goes solid>liquid>gas. Teleportation is a mental power. And I thought they could consciously switch between forms.

[Voxumo]

I don't have a good answer to this but a good question is how is it that Teridax can move so quickly when in antidermis form since he traveled all the way from the pit to the control room of mata-nui since that must have been over 300 miles. My only theory is that maybe he was able to catch a wind current to just carry him there. And how in the world did he get under water as a gas since that would not normally work?

Teleportation. And maybe he was in his liquid form in the Pit.

Teleportation is a possibility, But from what I've read The makuta do not have a liquid version of Antidermis.Here's a example When Mata-Nui created the Makuta he took antidermis from that pool on a southern island which at that point they were a liquid. Then the Antidermis was a solid before the makuta evolved to a gaseous antidermis.So in all reality they have gone through every state of matter except Plasma which is very very unlikely that they could have due to plasma's unique properties.LIQUID>SOLID>GAS.So it is unlikely that he would have been a liquid when entering the pit. And i thought that makuta could not use physical powers while without a body. or maybe he just influenced Maxilos to come to the shore or cord before he entered the pit.

Actually, it goes solid>liquid>gas. Teleportation is a mental power. And I thought they could consciously switch between forms.

When i wrote LIQUID>SOLID>GAS i was referring to the makuta order of forms.LIQUID when they were in that pool on a southern island SOLID after Mata-Nui brought the Makuta into existence and gave them a physical bodyGAS When they evolved And Makuta can't voluntarily change their state of matter because if they could they could have stopped their transformation into gas within armor.

[Erebus]

A Makuta cannot teleport in Antidermis form:

3a) Can a Makuta teleport in antidermis form? (Not sure if this counts as a mental ability or not).

3a) No

Also:

2) How fast can antidermis travel? Apparently pretty fast if it beat the Piraka there.

2) Well, it is a gas, and it is left earlier than they did.

Edited October 27, 2011 by Erebus

[Podu]

I don't have a good answer to this but a good question is how is it that Teridax can move so quickly when in antidermis form since he traveled all the way from the pit to the control room of mata-nui since that must have been over 300 miles. My only theory is that maybe he was able to catch a wind current to just carry him there. And how in the world did he get under water as a gas since that would not normally work?

Easy - he could have either poccess another body for a teleportation or just fly really fast like you said. But it really bothers me how did he ended up in Voya Nui. He couldn't have teleported there first as he had informed the Piraka of the Ignika in his liar, and I think that one of the Piraka did mention about the Antidermis being obtained in Terri's liar... Maybe Zaktan took it in his canister? Makes sense as Zaktan seemed to have a connection w/ the Antidermis?