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#721 Offline One-Eyed Construct

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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 02:04 PM

But where's the point of "should be able to"? In Marvel, there was a classification of super strength for the number of tons they could lift (ie Class 20, Class 50, Class 100, etc). Shouldn't telepathy have a similar scale, if not in sheer force, then in range of abilities (ie surface scanning, deep scanning, subtle telepathic influence, overt mind control, mnemonic data hacking, nervous system attacks, etc.).


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#722 Offline Riku Tryon

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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 02:48 PM

The fact is, CM, there isn't a definitive point. In fact, there probably never will be, because that means having to come up with rules based on so many situations. It's easier to judge on a case by case business. The point where things become excessive varies, but it remains largely consistent. A super strength mutation can flip a car, but there's no way in heck they'd lift a destroyer. It's less a point, and more a range.Telepathy is literally impossible to give a range to, because it almost literally has limitless applications. There are common ones, yes, but the ways it can be used are so many and vast that they can't fully be accounted for. Thus, much the same as the above, we must operate on the principle of the case by case basis. Can they read minds? Sure. Can they mind-control an entire mob by themselves? No.

 

EDIT: Forgot to include this.

 

And if you start putting scales on one power, or two, where does it stop? Should we start trying to put exact numbers on flight? Time amounts on healing factors? Calculating the number of hits adapters need to adapt to a new attack? What about when we end up with variation in these ranges, do we need to adjust the scale every time someone doesn't fall onto one of our carefully considered points?It's just impractical.


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#723 Offline Joseph Cooper

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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 03:40 PM

Gotta agree with Tyler on this. THE NUMBERS ARE EVERYWHERE.
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#724 Offline Landes'Rehn

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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 03:43 PM

Especially in the Matrix.

 

Although, if there were power levels in this game, I'm sure there would be a hash of scouter-related jokes...


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#725 Offline Madara: Mangekyou Master

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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 03:48 PM

Numbers are really impractical for the reasons stated above. Another potential problem is that they will inevitably be overemphasised."No way your Class 70 could beat my Class 100! My profile clearly says that he's stronger than your guy."Flexibility gives room for discretion to be used appropriately. :)
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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 03:49 PM

Indeed.

 

Though if anyone dodges a full volley from say, a power armored platoon, I'm calling them out.

 

If they don't have super speed or something. Bullets exist for a reason people-they generally hit what they are pointed at!


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"Shall this great kingdom, that has survived, whole and entire, the Danish depredations, the Scottish inroads, and the Norman conquest; that has stood the threatened invasion of the Spanish Armada, now fall prostrate before the House of Bourbon? Surely, my Lords, this nation is no longer what it was! Shall a people, that seventeen years ago was the terror of the world, now stoop so low as to tell its ancient inveterate enemy, take all we have, only give us peace? It is impossible! ...My Lords, any state is better than despair. Let us at least make one effort; and if we must fall, let us fall like men!"
 
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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 03:50 PM

Numbers are really impractical for the reasons stated above. Another potential problem is that they will inevitably be overemphasised."No way your Class 70 could beat my Class 100! My profile clearly says that he's stronger than your guy."Flexibility gives room for discretion to be used appropriately. :)

We've had that debate already. Twice now.


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#728 Offline Madara: Mangekyou Master

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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 04:00 PM

Which is why your points were so appropriate. XD did you get my pm?
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#729 Offline tylerlicious definicious

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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 04:04 PM

It's one small step from strength rankings to Energy cards for mutant powers, kids.

 

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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 04:11 PM

And from there, all combat will be turn-based.


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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 04:14 PM

I never used Energy cards playing Pokemon, man. I never had more than about ten of them in my entire collection.

 

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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 04:14 PM

Combat is already turn-based...

 

Sortof...


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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 04:30 PM

Especially in the Matrix.

 

Although, if there were power levels in this game, I'm sure there would be a hash of scouter-related jokes...

 

Already did that. XD


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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 04:30 PM

Gosh-dangit Axilus.

 

This is why we can't have nice things!


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#735 Offline Axilus Prime

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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 04:57 PM

Ka...me...ha...me...

 

(sneezes and the entire move blows up in my face)

 

Well, that didn't work out. But yeah, I agree, a numbers system is a bad idea. Even if we could change our "power levels" by rage, training, high power use, etc, then that would turn into modding.

 

So it's either boring slow-paced calculations or a modding level that is OVER 9000!


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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 08:25 PM

well

 

i tried

 

*discreetly kicks strength system and a pile of other ideas into a fire*


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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 08:27 PM

Don't blame yourself Zytrix.

 

Blame some government (preferably the US), claiming that their tax increase wouldn't allow you to implement a strength system.

 

That would work out well.


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#738 Offline Zulu Yankee Kilo Echo

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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 08:30 PM

I guess that works. *attempts to salvage ashes of ideas from fire*

 

And please.

 

Please.

 

Call me Zyke.


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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 08:32 PM

Personally, I blame the whole thing on the mutants.


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"Shall this great kingdom, that has survived, whole and entire, the Danish depredations, the Scottish inroads, and the Norman conquest; that has stood the threatened invasion of the Spanish Armada, now fall prostrate before the House of Bourbon? Surely, my Lords, this nation is no longer what it was! Shall a people, that seventeen years ago was the terror of the world, now stoop so low as to tell its ancient inveterate enemy, take all we have, only give us peace? It is impossible! ...My Lords, any state is better than despair. Let us at least make one effort; and if we must fall, let us fall like men!"
 
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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 08:33 PM

well

 

i tried

 

*discreetly kicks strength system and a pile of other ideas into a fire*

It's good in concept, it just doesn't work so well in practice.


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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 08:34 PM

*growsHitlerstache*It's the X-Men. They're a menace to the city.
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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 08:35 PM

Oh boy...


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"Shall this great kingdom, that has survived, whole and entire, the Danish depredations, the Scottish inroads, and the Norman conquest; that has stood the threatened invasion of the Spanish Armada, now fall prostrate before the House of Bourbon? Surely, my Lords, this nation is no longer what it was! Shall a people, that seventeen years ago was the terror of the world, now stoop so low as to tell its ancient inveterate enemy, take all we have, only give us peace? It is impossible! ...My Lords, any state is better than despair. Let us at least make one effort; and if we must fall, let us fall like men!"
 
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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 08:36 PM

Dogammit! Jameson-reference.
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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 08:37 PM

No. It means your leader commits suicide after a lengthly war that leaves millions dead and two major Japanese cities radioactive wastelands.

 

Can we stop with the Hitler metaphors now?


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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 08:38 PM

Hitler killed himself before the atomic bombings, but otherwise I agree.

 

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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 09:04 PM

Kill all ze mutants.

 

Muhahahahahahahaha.


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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 09:09 PM

I never used Energy cards playing Pokemon, man. I never had more than about ten of them in my entire collection.

 

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Am I the only one who actually used Energy cards then?


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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 09:11 PM

I'd be willing to bet you were, yea.

 

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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 09:14 PM

I'd be willing to bet you were, yea.

 

-Tyler

 

Energy cards are for heretics.

 

We burn heretics.


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"Shall this great kingdom, that has survived, whole and entire, the Danish depredations, the Scottish inroads, and the Norman conquest; that has stood the threatened invasion of the Spanish Armada, now fall prostrate before the House of Bourbon? Surely, my Lords, this nation is no longer what it was! Shall a people, that seventeen years ago was the terror of the world, now stoop so low as to tell its ancient inveterate enemy, take all we have, only give us peace? It is impossible! ...My Lords, any state is better than despair. Let us at least make one effort; and if we must fall, let us fall like men!"
 
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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 09:14 PM

I used to buy (and frequently lose) Pokemon cards in third grade. The irritating part was, no matter what my current set was at the time, I either had a load of Energy cards and Pokemon that never used them, or no Energy cards (or the wrong ones) when I had almost only Pokemon that relied on them.


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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 09:16 PM

I'd be willing to bet you were, yea.

 

-Tyler

 

Energy cards are for heretics.

 

We burn heretics.

 

That's my man. 

 

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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 09:31 PM

No! You have to use energy! It's part of the official rules-*shot*
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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 09:43 PM

No! You have to use energy! It's part of the official rules-*shot*

 

I swear, if you start doing it like that other guy did, I'll...

 

Let's just say that none of your characters will survive nightfall in the RPG.


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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 09:58 PM

I used energies. Gladly.


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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 10:23 PM

In all seriousness, I never understood energy cards. There were always too few of them to use effectively, too many pokemon to distribute them to, andtheydidn't pop up in the deck often enough. Then again, my deck consisted entirely of expansion packs; I never got a real starter deck.

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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 10:47 PM

It's all a matter of synergy. If you were running a single type deck, energy distribution was easy as pie. If you tried to run all of your favorite different types though, it was a recipe for disaster.


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"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you."


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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 11:11 PM

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Posted Mar 12 2013 - 11:59 PM

Broken image. Site does not allow for hotlinking.

 

But sure, we'll stay on topic now.


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Posted Mar 13 2013 - 01:54 PM

I never really got to play that particular card game in school...

 

It was all about friggen' Yu-Gi-Oh then...

 

But yeah, plot development time!


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Posted Mar 13 2013 - 04:50 PM

Out of all the people to betray the X-men, she was the last one I would of thought of.


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War...war never changes.

A wanderer always walks the lonesome road at some point. always

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We crawl, on our knees for you,
under, a sky no longer blue,
we sweat, all day long for you.

But we sow, seeds to see us though,
cause sometimes dreams just don't come true,
we wait, to reap what we are due.

Everything I touch turns to Ashes,

...It slips right though my hands





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