fishers64 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Did the Great Beings put it on there in case Mata Nui showed up? Did some ancient Skrall map the place?And why did the Skrall stick with the design? It's a rather eccentric design for a sheild, and probably costly to make. What significance would it have for them? Quote Hero Factory RPG | Bionicle Mafia XXIX: Storyline & Theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Von Nebula Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 The Skrall could have forgotten what it stood for, and it just became a tribal custom, like the patterns on their blades. Quote Read my comedy, about the Hero Factory villains watching a television channel produced by our Spherus Magnan friends!The Bionicle Channel "I expect that when I write my next entry in this chronicle, I will be writing as uncontested ruler of the Brotherhood."-Certainty, my Memoirs of the Dead entry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikiru Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I doubt that the Great Beings placed the design in the hands of the Skrall, because why would they give up the layout of their quite impenetrable fortress to a band of warlike beings who might try to invade the maze. I also doubt that some Skrall managed to map the place, because that maze is pretty hard to get through. I personally think that the maze design is just supposed to give the impression of the maze, and that in the Skrall culture it could represent power, or wisdom, or bravery, or something. As we have seen the Skrall have a very strict social order that is set around the glory of battle and similar concepts, so I think it would be plausible that the Skrall adopted the Symbol and incorporated it into their culture just because to them it represents something significant. And as long as it represents something significant they are going to continue to put it on there shields, no matter how hard they are to make, because just like with us humans if you give something meaning, people will hang onto it. If the design represents anything that I mentioned above, or anything similar, then I suspect the Skrall would do the same as us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just A Dot Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) I don't know how they got it, but I think price wouldn't be an issue, because the symbol is so friggin' epic that it would be worth it. I doubt LEGO was really thinking about this too much when they designed the shield and decided it was a map of the valley. Perhaps they found it on the same or a similar coin to what Berix had? They could have made the shields before Bara Magna became Bara Magna and resources became scarce. Edited July 31, 2013 by Ghabulous Ghoti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infrared Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 As Pikiru said, it's likely that the symbol represented power and superiority, given that the inhabitants of SM saw the Great Beings that way and, as became evident later, those were virtues integral to Skrall society. Another possibility is that the Skrall claimed the Valley of the Maze at some point, maybe when they were living in the north and it had been abandoned by the GBs. Or, what the maze represented combined with the fact that they controlled it might have led them to put it on their shields. Regardless, I imagine that the symbol also influenced the design of the Skrall's swords, the centers of which are Skrall tribal symbols according to BS01. I wouldn't imagine that the Skrall would worry about cost when they were making the shields. Pikiru's point about objects' meaning stands, but you should also remember that the Rock Tribe had access to slave labor during their time in Roxtus, if not before that. Quote Helryx BS01 / Flickr Makuta, Master of Nothing (The Legend Continues) / 3D Printed Nuva Cube / Okoto font! Zemahri, Toa of Sand / Dark Hunter Rampage (BBC 73) / Arkhevai / Keetongu, Venom Healer (BBC 69) / Voodude (BftGM) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takanuvainika Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I don't think the difficulty of making the shields is much of a factor since they would probably last a long time considering they were know to shred other weapons. Quote "I once thought that I was the only one who fantasized about Bionicle; that no one else could have that little of a life. Then I went on BZPower. Just call me Taka or TNI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25K Now! Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I really just assumed that the Skrall liked the design and shoved it on, probably because of its relation to the GBs. Quote http://vimeo.com/198967785 BZPRPG Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toa of Italy Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I have a theory on this issue. We know that before the Core War the volcanic area surrounding the Great Volcano (around which the Great Beings later built the maze) was inhabited by the Fire Tribe and ruled by the corresponding Element Lord. However, the Fire Tribe lives in Vulcanus 100 000 years later, which suggests that at least a part of them abandoned the area. After the Shattering, we also know that the Skrall moved into the area north of the Black Spike Mountains, which seems to correspond to this area (in fact, they might have forced the Fire Tribe out in the first place, though I also theorized in the past that the coming Shattering caused massive quakes in this volcanic region which forced the Fire Agori to relocate. If some Fire Agori had remained in the area it might also explain the Agori villages mentioned in Fall and Rise of the Skrall). Anyway, if the Skrall occupied the region (and BS01 actually says they fought some battles with the Baterra in the Valley of the Maze, though I don't know the source of that information), they might have felt pride that they controlled something which had once belonged to the Great Beings, even if they didn't no its significance and couldn't enter the fortress. The symbol of the maze might indicate their power, the power of a race which had managed to conquer the Great Beings' fortress itself. Quote My collection of epics: The Sanctum of Writing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesiii Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I always thought it was a symbol of the quest for power that both the Element Lord of Rock and the Skrall in general wanted. They were also the main group of the six cut off from their homeland in the Shattering (dunno if they had the shields before that though). So ELoR might have been more desperate for a while than the others to get the energy source in the center of the maze, to make up for this. Also, given that they never did get that energy source, I assume the real maze must be MUCH, much more complex (you could solve the one on the shields in just a few minutes), so it would be only a symbol. I know one image uses a giant shield to represent the maze, and a Technic pin for the tower, but come on. Another image shows the maze as more linear, filling two sides of a narrow valley between the ends and the central tower. I figure something like the latter is more likely, as it portrayed the maze as more complex, but probably wider than that one or else it would also be easily solveable. (I also presume, though, that there must be other defenses, or you'd think it'd have been solved long ago. Maybe the ELs, Skrall, etc. lost interest eventually.) Quote The Destiny of Bionicle (chronological retelling of Bionicle original series, 9 PDFs of 10 chapters each on Google Drive): Part 1 - Warring with Fate | Part 2 - Year of Change | Part 3 - The Exploration Trap | Part 4 - Rise of the Warlords | Part 5 - A Busy Matoran | Part 6 - The Dark Time | Part 7 - Proving Grounds | Part 8 - A Rude Awakening | Part 9 - The Battle of Giants My Bionicle Fanfiction (Google Drive folder, eventually planned to have PDFs of all of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boston100 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 i always thought the scrall found a map of the maze and thought hey this looks cool lets put it on our sheilds not knowing what it was Quote As long as there is one bionicle fan out there there is still hope for bionicle to return. Keep faith. Bionicle is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toa Talo Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) I read that the skrall found the swords from a cache of weapons they found maybe they also found the shields there. Edited August 4, 2013 by Toa Talo Quote I am Talo last of the toa of the lost element of AWESOME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Von Nebula Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I always thought it was a symbol of the quest for power that both the Element Lord of Rock and the Skrall in general wanted. They were also the main group of the six cut off from their homeland in the Shattering (dunno if they had the shields before that though). So ELoR might have been more desperate for a while than the others to get the energy source in the center of the maze, to make up for this. Also, given that they never did get that energy source, I assume the real maze must be MUCH, much more complex (you could solve the one on the shields in just a few minutes), so it would be only a symbol. I know one image uses a giant shield to represent the maze, and a Technic pin for the tower, but come on. Another image shows the maze as more linear, filling two sides of a narrow valley between the ends and the central tower. I figure something like the latter is more likely, as it portrayed the maze as more complex, but probably wider than that one or else it would also be easily solveable. (I also presume, though, that there must be other defenses, or you'd think it'd have been solved long ago. Maybe the ELs, Skrall, etc. lost interest eventually.)I'm not sure if the complexity of the maze was made it so difficult- the traps/guards were probably the problem. Mata Nui seemed to get through pretty easily, so maybe the maze's defenses work better at taking out larger groups/armies rather than individuals. Quote Read my comedy, about the Hero Factory villains watching a television channel produced by our Spherus Magnan friends!The Bionicle Channel "I expect that when I write my next entry in this chronicle, I will be writing as uncontested ruler of the Brotherhood."-Certainty, my Memoirs of the Dead entry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToaKapura1234 Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Or the defenses are programmed not to blow up the Ignika. Quote Want to solve an exciting murder mystery? Try Murder Mansion II, a new game in Games and Trivia! 8 Spots remaining! http://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/19274-murder-mansion/?do=findComment&comment=964351 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishers64 Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 Or the defenses are programmed not to blow up the Ignika.I doubt that - if the Great Beings believed the Toa could go rogue, they would definately suspect the Ignika to. After all, it gave a curse to one of their own! Quote Hero Factory RPG | Bionicle Mafia XXIX: Storyline & Theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToaKapura1234 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 But if the Ignika blows up it's like their's a life nova blast, the maze becomes alive and maybe tries to take over Bara Magna or something. Bad. Quote Want to solve an exciting murder mystery? Try Murder Mansion II, a new game in Games and Trivia! 8 Spots remaining! http://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/19274-murder-mansion/?do=findComment&comment=964351 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewa Krom Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 (edited) Or maybe we're all just overthinking it? If you look on the second page of Glatorian #5, it is shown that you can easily see the maze from above. (I would post a pick, but can't find any on the web ATM) -Lewa Krom Edited August 5, 2013 by Lewa Krom Quote Keep in mind that if Star Trek fans had, as a group, said, "No point in talking about this anymore, it's never going to come back," it never WOULD have come back. -- Greg Farshtey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesiii Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Or maybe we're all just overthinking it? If you look on the second page of Glatorian #5, it is shown that you can easily see the maze from above. (I would post a pick, but can't find any on the web ATM) -Lewa KromNot sure if any of these are what you're referring to, but here's the ones I'm aware of (FTR, I stand by my earlier comments): http://biosector01.com/wiki/images/4/4a/Comic_Valley_of_the_Maze.png That's the one i'm saying is almost certainly symbolic. http://biosector01.com/wiki/images/1/11/AOSR_Baterra_Building_Maze.png That's the radically different one I suspect is likely more accurate (but I'd think it's also wider than this, so it's at least somewhat circular -- point is I suspect it's much more complex, although I do agree with the point that was raised that traps and other mechanisms in the maze may have as much to do with it as the maze itself). While we're on the subject, here's the more detailed image of the tower which I take literally: http://biosector01.com/wiki/images/6/67/AOSR_Valley_of_the_Maze_Fortress_Tower.png And a symbolic one: http://biosector01.com/wiki/images/f/f3/Comic_Mata_Nui_in_Valley_of_the_Maze.png Quote The Destiny of Bionicle (chronological retelling of Bionicle original series, 9 PDFs of 10 chapters each on Google Drive): Part 1 - Warring with Fate | Part 2 - Year of Change | Part 3 - The Exploration Trap | Part 4 - Rise of the Warlords | Part 5 - A Busy Matoran | Part 6 - The Dark Time | Part 7 - Proving Grounds | Part 8 - A Rude Awakening | Part 9 - The Battle of Giants My Bionicle Fanfiction (Google Drive folder, eventually planned to have PDFs of all of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishers64 Posted August 5, 2013 Author Share Posted August 5, 2013 (edited) But if the Ignika blows up it's like their's a life nova blast, the maze becomes alive and maybe tries to take over Bara Magna or something. Bad.True. But I'm sure there are ways of disabling the Ignika without blowing it up. The GBs would have made sure of that. I don't know if they would have put that in the Great Maze, though. It seems that the purpose of that thing was a giant failsafe in case the Ignika with Mata Nui in it ended up in Bara Magna - to have the information and the power source where he could get to them, but nobody else could. Thus the maze full of challenges and the UDD lock at the end. That's why, in my mind, Mata Nui got through. And the maze could be easily navigable, and the UDD lock could explain why nobody got in the fortress. But if nobody got in there, how did they know there was a ritzy energy source to be had? For the record, here's a picture of the Valley of the Maze (LK may be right): http://biosector01.com/wiki/images/4/4a/Comic_Valley_of_the_Maze.pngAnd this search's second result is the second image bones mentioned: https://www.google.com/search?q=bionicle+valley+of+the+maze&client=safari&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=IBb_UbnxBoaviAKq7oCADg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=320&bih=356EDIT: Ninja'd by bones. Edited August 5, 2013 by fishers64 Quote Hero Factory RPG | Bionicle Mafia XXIX: Storyline & Theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesiii Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 But if nobody got in there, how did they know there was a ritzy energy source to be had? They may have simply gotten their hands on intel about why the maze was built. But BS01's wording suggests it was already stored there and the ELs knew it: During the last stages of the Core War, the Great Beings ordered the Baterra to construct an impenetrable labyrinth around their fortress complex, designed to keep the Element Lords from acquiring the power source housed inside.The ELs were made by the GBs and given authority, so they may simply have been informed about it prior to going bonkers over the EP and letting the power go to their heads. So then the maze may have been made as a response to their corruption. Why they wouldn't just move it I dunno but maybe they feared it would be too easy to track. That makes me wonder if some simple machinery can be made to detect it as well. Quote The Destiny of Bionicle (chronological retelling of Bionicle original series, 9 PDFs of 10 chapters each on Google Drive): Part 1 - Warring with Fate | Part 2 - Year of Change | Part 3 - The Exploration Trap | Part 4 - Rise of the Warlords | Part 5 - A Busy Matoran | Part 6 - The Dark Time | Part 7 - Proving Grounds | Part 8 - A Rude Awakening | Part 9 - The Battle of Giants My Bionicle Fanfiction (Google Drive folder, eventually planned to have PDFs of all of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishers64 Posted August 5, 2013 Author Share Posted August 5, 2013 But if nobody got in there, how did they know there was a ritzy energy source to be had?They may have simply gotten their hands on intel about why the maze was built. But BS01's wording suggests it was already stored there and the ELs knew it: During the last stages of the Core War, the Great Beings ordered the Baterra to construct an impenetrable labyrinth around their fortress complex, designed to keep the Element Lords from acquiring the power source housed inside.The ELs were made by the GBs and given authority, so they may simply have been informed about it prior to going bonkers over the EP and letting the power go to their heads. So then the maze may have been made as a response to their corruption. Why they wouldn't just move it I dunno but maybe they feared it would be too easy to track. That makes me wonder if some simple machinery can be made to detect it as well. Nah, I doubt the Maze would be to keep the ELs out. Especially not the Rock EL, seeing as he could just blast through the maze walls and go straight to the fortress. Unless the walls were made of protosteel or something. Quote Hero Factory RPG | Bionicle Mafia XXIX: Storyline & Theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesiii Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Well, I can doubt that too, but the BS01 wording clearly states it. The question is what source they get that from I guess. I see no real reason it can't be why they made it. Yes, the whole elemental control thing would normally be an issue but we're talking about Great Beings who can switch off elemental powers. I would presume the safeguard systems built into the maze handle that. Quote The Destiny of Bionicle (chronological retelling of Bionicle original series, 9 PDFs of 10 chapters each on Google Drive): Part 1 - Warring with Fate | Part 2 - Year of Change | Part 3 - The Exploration Trap | Part 4 - Rise of the Warlords | Part 5 - A Busy Matoran | Part 6 - The Dark Time | Part 7 - Proving Grounds | Part 8 - A Rude Awakening | Part 9 - The Battle of Giants My Bionicle Fanfiction (Google Drive folder, eventually planned to have PDFs of all of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just A Dot Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Perhaps the maze was made of Earth so that none of the Elementals could have gotten through Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishers64 Posted August 6, 2013 Author Share Posted August 6, 2013 Well, I can doubt that too, but the BS01 wording clearly states it. The question is what source they get that from I guess. I see no real reason it can't be why they made it. Yes, the whole elemental control thing would normally be an issue but we're talking about Great Beings who can switch off elemental powers. I would presume the safeguard systems built into the maze handle that.*facepalm* Okay, that's probably true. Perhaps the maze was made of Earth so that none of the Elementals could have gotten through Possible. Or just plain metal. Or a combo of metal and earth. It's possible that there would be machinery in there that would rearrange the maze to keep unwanted beings out of the center. Quote Hero Factory RPG | Bionicle Mafia XXIX: Storyline & Theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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