OFFICIAL Bionicle 2015 Topic

[Toa SpaceCommander]

I found this while google searching Bionicle. It links to the official website, and I'm not sure if it is a typo...

I also found this and made a topic about it exactly 17 minutes after you posted it.

[emily]

And how do you know this? What proof do you have? For all we know, it is in the story and just hasn't been mentioned yet. EP wasn't mentioned in G1's very first year, now was it? Pretty sure it wasn't introduced until 2002.

Technically speaking, yes. But at the time, there was no distinction made between it and 'regular' protodermis. Protodermis was treated as a singular material until, if memory serves, somewhere in 2004-06.

[fishers64]

 

I found this while google searching Bionicle. It links to the official website, and I'm not sure if it is a typo...

I also found this and made a topic about it exactly 17 minutes after you posted it.

 

I think that might be the old 2001 description. Is it?

[Pohatu: Uniter of Stone]

 

 

I found this while google searching Bionicle. It links to the official website, and I'm not sure if it is a typo...

I also found this and made a topic about it exactly 17 minutes after you posted it.

 

I think that might be the old 2001 description. Is it?

 

Yeah, but I found it today. Why would a description from nearly fourteen years ago pop up?

[fishers64]

Yeah, but I found it today. Why would a description from nearly fourteen years ago pop up?

Could be an error on Lego's part or even on Google's. One of them could have saved the old description somewhere...and then when the domain came back, they went to the first dated entry in the database for the description. 

[Sir Kohran]

 

Yeah, but I found it today. Why would a description from nearly fourteen years ago pop up?

Could be an error on Lego's part or even on Google's. One of them could have saved the old description somewhere...and then when the domain came back, they went to the first dated entry in the database for the description. 

 

 

I believe the 2001-era description of bionicle.com remained long after 2001, even to this day it seems.

[UnderscoreChronix]

 

 

 

 

One of the worst aspects of the original line was the constantly changing main characters. Hated hated hated that. I don't want to see new Toa every three years. To me, that seems like the worst possible outcome.

That was one of the best aspects....

 

So I guess you would want us to stick to the same old Toa we have seen since 2001, and you don't want any 'new Okoto' Toa (if those exist)... 

 

Yes, I would indeed absolutely want us to stick to the same Toa the entire time. Like I said, I fully and firmly believe that the changing cast was one of the biggest problems from the original line.

 

The idea that changing the main cast itself over and over is the only way to prolong a toy or media property is odd. Sure, many children's action shows change characters (new Power Rangers nearly every season, now), but others don't. I'm not opposed to new characters showing up, but unless there's an actual end to the character and mythological arc of these Toa, I absolutely definitively DO NOT WANT to see new characters take the spotlight as the main characters.

 

Sure, let's have Tahu 2.0, Tahu 3.0, Tahu 4.0, Tahu XL, Tahu 5.0 etc..... 

Glad energized protodermis was mentioned. I wonder if we'll see it in the new story...or fusions in general for that matter. I'm positive we'll see transformations, but how they'll handled is what's going to be interesting, especially if EP isn't present.

There won't be energized protodermis.

 

 

And how do you know this? What proof do you have? For all we know, it is in the story and just hasn't been mentioned yet. EP wasn't mentioned in G1's very first year, now was it? Pretty sure it wasn't introduced until 2002.

 

 

 

 

 

Sure, let's have Tahu 2.0, Tahu 3.0, Tahu 4.0, Tahu XL, Tahu 5.0 etc..... 

 

 

Yeah, I hate when they use a system to denote upgrades. What if they even go as far as to make up a garbage word, like "Nuva"?

 

I wouldn't mind if the Toa had a few transformations, but I don't want them recycled EVERY year. 

 

 

Releasing the same characters every year is good for business. When people have a character they recognize and love, they are more likely to want to buy future toys of that character. See: the vast plethora of Optimus Prime toys.

 

See: The vast plethora of Bumblebee toys. People are growing sick of Bumblebee and wish he would go away for a while.

 

 

So true. Bumblebee is being shoved down our throats, and I'm tired of it.

 

Recently they even went so far as to make Bumblebee the leader of the Autobots. wat.

[UngluedBike]

 

 

 

 

 

One of the worst aspects of the original line was the constantly changing main characters. Hated hated hated that. I don't want to see new Toa every three years. To me, that seems like the worst possible outcome.

That was one of the best aspects....

 

So I guess you would want us to stick to the same old Toa we have seen since 2001, and you don't want any 'new Okoto' Toa (if those exist)... 

 

Yes, I would indeed absolutely want us to stick to the same Toa the entire time. Like I said, I fully and firmly believe that the changing cast was one of the biggest problems from the original line.

 

The idea that changing the main cast itself over and over is the only way to prolong a toy or media property is odd. Sure, many children's action shows change characters (new Power Rangers nearly every season, now), but others don't. I'm not opposed to new characters showing up, but unless there's an actual end to the character and mythological arc of these Toa, I absolutely definitively DO NOT WANT to see new characters take the spotlight as the main characters.

 

Sure, let's have Tahu 2.0, Tahu 3.0, Tahu 4.0, Tahu XL, Tahu 5.0 etc..... 

Glad energized protodermis was mentioned. I wonder if we'll see it in the new story...or fusions in general for that matter. I'm positive we'll see transformations, but how they'll handled is what's going to be interesting, especially if EP isn't present.

There won't be energized protodermis.

 

 

And how do you know this? What proof do you have? For all we know, it is in the story and just hasn't been mentioned yet. EP wasn't mentioned in G1's very first year, now was it? Pretty sure it wasn't introduced until 2002.

 

 

 

 

 

Sure, let's have Tahu 2.0, Tahu 3.0, Tahu 4.0, Tahu XL, Tahu 5.0 etc..... 

 

 

Yeah, I hate when they use a system to denote upgrades. What if they even go as far as to make up a garbage word, like "Nuva"?

 

I wouldn't mind if the Toa had a few transformations, but I don't want them recycled EVERY year. 

 

 

Releasing the same characters every year is good for business. When people have a character they recognize and love, they are more likely to want to buy future toys of that character. See: the vast plethora of Optimus Prime toys.

 

See: The vast plethora of Bumblebee toys. People are growing sick of Bumblebee and wish he would go away for a while.

 

 

So true. Bumblebee is being shoved down our throats, and I'm tired of it.

 

Recently they even went so far as to make Bumblebee the leader of the Autobots. wat.

 

All hail bumblebee and very large quoteboxes!

[Iblis]

Concerning (Energised) Protodermis: as Proto ≈ Primitive, Dermis ≈ Skin; I doubt we will see it called that unless we get more Giant Robots, although in fairness it could be the name of a the material Toa are made of (partially), like the name of it was a hint... ^{[so would be somewhat odd, then again a reference doesn't need to be more than that.]}

 

Although I wouldn't be overly surprised if we (a) magic(al substance) that transforms things again

[Rahkshi Lalonde]

Concerning (Energised) Protodermis: as Proto ≈ Primitive, Dermis ≈ Skin; I doubt we will see it called that unless we get more Giant Robots, although in fairness it could be the name of a the material Toa are made of (partially), like the name of it was a hint... ^{[so would be somewhat odd, then again a reference doesn't need to be more than that.]}

 

Although I wouldn't be overly surprised if we (a) magic(al substance) that transforms things again

 

I was summond by the topic of protodermis.

 

I'd love to see the name used again, it's a fun fantasy metal and a good descriptor on the silver-metallic weapon pieces. (protodermic armor, protodermic blade, etc.)

 

but what i hope they do is learn to keep track of what properties they're making this thing have. i can suspend belief, but i can't make it fly. :t

[Toa Green Ninja]

Hey everyone! Today, I just received my order during Black Friday weekend from LEGO Shop@Home. With it, free in the box, was a BIONICLE 2015 promotional poster. It's a much smaller version of the one given away at NYCC, with the picture of the battle for the Mask of Creation on one side, and the same short blurb (Otoko misspelling and all) on the back. Has anyone else gotten this? I'm very happy to have it!

[AdaptingChaos]

Hey everyone! Today, I just received my order during Black Friday weekend from LEGO Shop@Home. With it, free in the box, was a BIONICLE 2015 promotional poster. It's a much smaller version of the one given away at NYCC, with the picture of the battle for the Mask of Creation on one side, and the same short blurb (Otoko misspelling and all) on the back. Has anyone else gotten this? I'm very happy to have it!

Well the one given out at NYCC was the size of a card basically

[Toa Green Ninja]

Oh, really? That's the one!

[AdaptingChaos]

Oh, really? That's the one!

Thats cool that they are advertising Bionicle when you make an order haha. Its a really nice looking card

[Banana Gunz]

Just because protodermis was connected to the old universe in both name and purpose, it doesn't mean the concept can't be revisited. I personally doubt it, and wouldn't really care to see it. It was nice while it lasted but eventually it got so ridiculous that I started hating it (mostly because of it's trying to give a logical explanation to things like elemental powers and why the MU could sustain itself. Those were needless and story crowding details to me). It could still be a thing or get a reference, but it wouldn't do much for B15

[Klack]

Just because protodermis was connected to the old universe in both name and purpose, it doesn't mean the concept can't be revisited. I personally doubt it, and wouldn't really care to see it. It was nice while it lasted but eventually it got so ridiculous that I started hating it (mostly because of it's trying to give a logical explanation to things like elemental powers and why the MU could sustain itself. Those were needless and story crowding details to me). It could still be a thing or get a reference, but it wouldn't do much for B15

Think it was a good explanation for many things back in G1. But the things that really confused me was the fact that it originated inside of a PLANET, and there were entire oceans of the stuff.

 

As for G2, I hope it makes some sort of appearance, at least for armor and stuff if not for energy/power purposes. 

[Quisoves Potoo]

I wouldn't mind repeated character-upgrades if the designs are continually fresh. The challenge for LEGO is to hit the balance between familiarity and novelty. If the designs are too different from their predecessors, then some fans will complain about the lack of visual consistency. If the designs are too similar, then one winds up with a Brain Attack situation, in which, in my opinion, the designs are for the most part uninspired and undesirable.

 

Personally, I'd like to see Toa of more exotic elements eventually. Given the coloring of Hero Factory characters such as Bulk, Stringer, and Evo I could see it happening. 

[UngluedBike]

 

Oh, really? That's the one!

Thats cool that they are advertising Bionicle when you make an order haha. Its a really nice looking card

 

The fact that there have been so many misspellings really doesn't vouch for Lego's interest in the reboot....

[Quisoves Potoo]

The fact that there have been so many misspellings really doesn't vouch for Lego's interest in the reboot....

 

Come on, we aren't talking about a Borg-like collective here, we're talking about a myriad of individuals employed by the same company.

 

Perhaps those typing up the promotional material don't care (or simply aren't good spellers, or typists) but that doesn't mean that everyone at LEGO doesn't care.

[UngluedBike]

 

The fact that there have been so many misspellings really doesn't vouch for Lego's interest in the reboot....

 

Come on, we aren't talking about a Borg-like collective here, we're talking about a myriad of individuals employed by the same company.

 

Perhaps those typing up the promotional material don't care (or simply aren't good spellers, or typists) but that doesn't mean that everyone at LEGO doesn't care.

 

I suppose, perhaps it's because English is not their native language. I never considered that.

[doodleloot]

Some of the sets have been listed on Toysrus.com. The only one you can purchase right now is Onua though.

 

Edit: You can't order Onua anymore...

Edited December 6, 2014 by doodleloot

[Klack]

I ordered one before that button went away.

Edited December 8, 2014 by Klack

[ToaDraco]

I too would love Protodermis to return in some capacity. Maybe even one of the variations like Protosteel, I really liked that one. It was like Bionicle's adamantium. 

[Aanchir]

Something I was just wondering about. A lot of people have noticed discrepancies between the mask names of Lewa and the Protector of Jungle and the mask names of the other Toa and Protectors. Instead of "Mask of {Element}", "Golden Mask of {Element}", and "Protector Mask of {Element}", these masks are called "Jungle Mask", "Golden Jungle Mask", and "Protector Jungle Mask".

 

It's easy to dismiss these differences as errors, but the fact that this discrepancy affects all of the Jungle-related masks but not any masks of other elements leads me to wonder... do you think these names might be glimpses of a new version of treespeak?

[doodleloot]

Something I was just wondering about. A lot of people have noticed discrepancies between the mask names of Lewa and the Protector of Jungle and the mask names of the other Toa and Protectors. Instead of "Mask of {Element}", "Golden Mask of {Element}", and "Protector Mask of {Element}", these masks are called "Jungle Mask", "Golden Jungle Mask", and "Protector Jungle Mask".

 

It's easy to dismiss these differences as errors, but the fact that this discrepancy affects all of the Jungle-related masks but not any masks of other elements leads me to wonder... do you think these names might be glimpses of a new version of treespeak?

 

Nice catch, I didn't even notice that.

[Banana Gunz]

Something I was just wondering about. A lot of people have noticed discrepancies between the mask names of Lewa and the Protector of Jungle and the mask names of the other Toa and Protectors. Instead of "Mask of {Element}", "Golden Mask of {Element}", and "Protector Mask of {Element}", these masks are called "Jungle Mask", "Golden Jungle Mask", and "Protector Jungle Mask".

 

It's easy to dismiss these differences as errors, but the fact that this discrepancy affects all of the Jungle-related masks but not any masks of other elements leads me to wonder... do you think these names might be glimpses of a new version of treespeak?

 

Hmmm not particularly. Tree speak is a way of speaking, but there's no use in using it outside of the way a Le/Jungle character speaks. There's little use of using tree speak in a bio in my eyes.

 

I could be wrong though. The Minifigures bios online often reflect their personalities and such, but I simply don't see it happening for these considering the bios don't really reflect much of the other toa's personalities in their style. They're more informative than anything.

[Rider Of Spiders]

I'd say the Jungle thing comes from the fact that if the elemental channeling is any similar as it was in G1, it has a problem:

 

The other elements can be "shot" from their respective Masters' hands/weapons. You can channel Fire, Water, Ice etc. but channelling Jungle as a pure elemental stream would be pretty awkward/interesting. The Masks may be the ones giving the Masters their control over an element after all. As the "element" of Jungle consists of both plants and air, the Jungle Mask sounds better than Mask of Plants and Air.

 

It sounds odd and I can't really explain it well, but I hope someone gets the idea.

 

TL;DR

Mask of Fire = user controls Fire

Mask of Jungle = user controls Jungle, but how?

Edited December 6, 2014 by Rider Of Spiders

[Bfahome]

I figure Jungle is just the name, and air is still the power, to keep the names consistent.  If green is called Jungle for simplicity's sake, no need to make it more complicated by saying the Master of Jungle wears the Mask of Air.

[Irrie]

Well, if they're making Jungle an element, I assume that Taiga and Temperate Forest is coming next year. 

[bioniclepluslotr]

I'd say the Jungle thing comes from the fact that if the elemental channeling is any similar as it was in G1, it has a problem:

 

The other elements can be "shot" from their respective Masters' hands/weapons. You can channel Fire, Water, Ice etc. but channelling Jungle as a pure elemental stream would be pretty awkward/interesting. The Masks may be the ones giving the Masters their control over an element after all. As the "element" of Jungle consists of both plants and air, the Jungle Mask sounds better than Mask of Plants and Air.

 

It sounds odd and I can't really explain it well, but I hope someone gets the idea.

 

TL;DR

Mask of Fire = user controls Fire

Mask of Jungle = user controls Jungle, but how?

Look at Pokemon.

Edited December 6, 2014 by bioniclepluslotr

[believe victims]

Look at Pokemon.

 

 

Pokemon isn't a very good comparison. Its "types" are less "elements" and more like "descriptors". For example, Kingdra is a powerful seahorse. It is water-based, and dragon-based. Therefore, it's Water/Dragon.

 

Bionicle's Elements are far more in line with things like the classic elements of Water, Fire, Air, and Earth, in that they're supposed to be fundamental building blocks. Now, obviously, the classic elements are discredited scientifically, but the idea of it lives on.

[Iblis]

 

Look at Pokemon.

 

 

Pokemon isn't a very good comparison. Its "types" are less "elements" and more like "descriptors". For example, Kingdra is a powerful seahorse. It is water-based, and dragon-based. Therefore, it's Water/Dragon.

 

Bionicle's Elements are far more in line with things like the classic elements of Water, Fire, Air, and Earth, in that they're supposed to be fundamental building blocks. Now, obviously, the classic elements are discredited scientifically, but the idea of it lives on.

 

 

Even still; we've seen Toa channel '(pure) Elemental Energy', which is just a beam of the associated colour etc. So... I don't see why that can't be done with Jungle; green beam of nature, or just have vines or come out, or maybe certain Elements aren't generated so much as manipulating what's already there most of the time...

 

Even still i have no issues with someone clasping their hands together and; green light, small seed, grows rapidly in mid air etc.

 

Honestly the only thing that really bothers me about it is the name, but I don't think it was that bad; I still think I know what they're on about.

 

Oh & Air/Wind does seem to be mixed in still, so it should be fine. _{(fills in some roles that might look more awkward to some)}

[Ektris]

Something I was just wondering about. A lot of people have noticed discrepancies between the mask names of Lewa and the Protector of Jungle and the mask names of the other Toa and Protectors. Instead of "Mask of {Element}", "Golden Mask of {Element}", and "Protector Mask of {Element}", these masks are called "Jungle Mask", "Golden Jungle Mask", and "Protector Jungle Mask".

 

It's easy to dismiss these differences as errors, but the fact that this discrepancy affects all of the Jungle-related masks but not any masks of other elements leads me to wonder... do you think these names might be glimpses of a new version of treespeak?

I must admit that I do not find it likely, but I would nonetheless love the idea to be true.

 

The masks will probably be named in one of the videos next year, so I'm very curious to see if the discrepancy - which is very curious - persists there. It's rather trivial, but just the way it pervades everything Jungle rather sticks out and does leave me desiring some explanation. Even if it's as simple as the same proposed explanation for the numerous grammatical and spelling errors on the site: work being done by a non-native English speaker accidentally making mistakes, and perhaps now a translation one as well?

 

~|ET|~

[Turaga Jack]

Has anyone started seeing the new Bonkles actually show up in stores? Before I make it known that's what people can get me for Christmas I want to make sure there's a tangible retailer to buy them from.

[Ektris]

Has anyone started seeing the new Bonkles actually show up in stores? Before I make it known that's what people can get me for Christmas I want to make sure there's a tangible retailer to buy them from.

It's unfortunately very unlikely they'll be able to.

 

I definitely expect some stores (particularly TRU in the US) to put things out early. But only by maybe a week or two, which would be a tad too late. No retailer anywhere has been reported as having done so yet.

 

~|ET|~

[Nidhiki of the Shadows]

 

 

I found this while google searching Bionicle. It links to the official website, and I'm not sure if it is a typo...

I also found this and made a topic about it exactly 17 minutes after you posted it.

 

I think that might be the old 2001 description. Is it?

 

Haven't they used this every year? Granted all they have to change is the island part.

 

-NotS

Edited December 7, 2014 by Nidhiki of the Shadows

[Boidoh]

 

 

Look at Pokemon.

 

 

Pokemon isn't a very good comparison. Its "types" are less "elements" and more like "descriptors". For example, Kingdra is a powerful seahorse. It is water-based, and dragon-based. Therefore, it's Water/Dragon.

 

Bionicle's Elements are far more in line with things like the classic elements of Water, Fire, Air, and Earth, in that they're supposed to be fundamental building blocks. Now, obviously, the classic elements are discredited scientifically, but the idea of it lives on.

 

 

Even still; we've seen Toa channel '(pure) Elemental Energy', which is just a beam of the associated colour etc. So... I don't see why that can't be done with Jungle; green beam of nature, or just have vines or come out, or maybe certain Elements aren't generated so much as manipulating what's already there most of the time...

 

Even still i have no issues with someone clasping their hands together and; green light, small seed, grows rapidly in mid air etc.

 

Honestly the only thing that really bothers me about it is the name, but I don't think it was that bad; I still think I know what they're on about.

 

Oh & Air/Wind does seem to be mixed in still, so it should be fine. _{(fills in some roles that might look more awkward to some)}

 

 

Toa of the Green exist you know.

[believe victims]

Yes, but we never saw Toa of Plantlife use their powers. We have no basis on which to properly judge what this will be like.

[Boidoh]

Eh em.

 

Turaga Dume had rallied Lesovikk's group, although not before Nuju had been pulled into the Archives by plantlife gone wild. - "Dark Mirror"

 

Oh, and don't you mean, the Green?

Edited December 7, 2014 by Boidoh

[believe victims]

Oh dear, one ambiguous sentence, my entire argument has crumbled to pieces like a Toa of Plantlife using vines to take down a building.

 

And that still doesn't do anything to answer the idea of "channelling Jungle as a pure elemental stream".