Noxryn

idk part of me rather liked the song, kinda enjoyed it's positive and upbeat note with the energy it had (albeit it's kinda repetitive and simple).

i can't comment on the artists themselves or their previous work since i never listened to it. (but i'm not gonna lie, i tend to enjoy more pop music :l)

the cat's transformation is nigh

this is my un-educated "i saw what looked like 'Noms' and 'transform' in the runes"

There... wasn't any other factor?

I'm not going into grave detail of every single instance, but the basic of every occurrence I experienced was: "I'm getting along with this community of people, cool. They're all nice to me, include me and give me compliments for what I contribute. Talked about previous/current relationship issues one night when it came up in discussion, found it funny they thought I was female before I informed them I'm male, be subjected to language that isn't repeatable on BZPower, multiple messages containing threats, slurs, and more that I'm not comfortable discussing on BZPower of all places"

Or just putting up posters (LGBT Safe Space promoting). Or just wearing a shirt (LGBT Safe Space promoting). I don't feel like I really have to go into anymore detail or provide any detailed examples on reactions, granted that's rather personal and I'm not comfortable getting into that on a website like BZPower.

This type of stuff really isn't that uncommon.

(People sitting back and trying to debate if one group of people deserves certain rights over other groups of people is more what I'm getting at here, and I iterate again that it's not a respectable debate. Disrespecting someone from the start of a debate by essentially saying "Hey, I'm more normal, better and more deserving of decency than you. Here's why and my opinion on why" doesn't deserve a respectable response. The person who's being subjected to that has no obligation to respect that other person, granted the other person doesn't even respect the person they're trying to debate with enough to recognize that they're speaking with another human being and are instead insulting that person throughout discourse -- And if they did recognize this, then there wouldn't be a debate in the first place).

To be honest, my post wasn't really meant for what I presumed you meant Necro. It was more for the statements of definitive 100% every person deserves respect when they attempt to debate with you no matter what their position is (see: Fishers first post), which I wanted to simply state does not hold true all of the time and forever.

As for those people, the ones I've described, as being rare: they're not. There are entire organizations dedicated to such mindsets and full of such types of people (multiple organizations, in fact -- I'd list them, but many are politically active and BZPower does hold a rule about political discussion which tends to include a ban on discussing politically active groups) and in the past those organizations did have pull with some actual groups of people that could make some aspects of their vision reality. These people are all over the internet -- I've left sites because of their presence and the staff supporting their positions (that and being called numerous slurs and told to, in more graphic ways, to go off myself, didn't make me feel safe or comfortable there). On social media sites, actually even recently -- with BZPower members involved, in fact -- there was a disgusting occurrence of what I'm describing that targeted someone.

I come across these types of people in real life, too. The ones who will stand before a class during a class-debate and make statements like "X group of people don't deserve legal recognition, legal protections, they deserve to instead be killed, discriminated against, looked down upon because they're abnormal humans with mental issues [also implying people with mental issues deserve lesser treatment in society]' and that position will be regarded as a viable position to have and will actually be debated (well, debated by the one person in the class who's upset by it, namely myself) but then have the debate completely blown off because "I'm entitled to my own opinions, and am pulling my belief here from my very specific religious interpretation" (which was a popular one in most places I lived, and still live, even).

This is from students in my now-graduated-from high school (opinion even persisted in the college I was briefly a part of), parents of people I knew, the majority memberbases on websites I've been on, of communities I've been a part of. And it's encompassing many, many minorities and groups of people.

My point being, this type of viewpoint, this type of position and opinion, is very common and exists almost everywhere I've actually been (and even then I've known many people who have experienced so much worse than anything I have, or anything I've seen) and this type of opinion -- no matter what guise it comes under -- is not a respectable position. It's not one of someone to be respected in a debate.

That's my point.

Reasonable debate over something reasonable I agree with the "show respect and decency" message. But debate over something unreasonable (treat x groups as sub-humans because I don't like them) is not a debate deserving of any amount of respect (and is more common of a position people have than most would think).

Though ignoring that type of position doesn't do any good (and ignoring these types of people is almost impossible, especially individuals that want to make it personal with someone). Since other people might listen to it and be like "well, it was never challenged so, must be okay to think" and that can lead to actual consequences in real life... though if it's called out for what it is (sick, twisted bile serving only to hurt and harm people for no reason), then others might be more like "yeah that sounds pretty rotten now that I think of it."

(So yeah, I don't respect people who say things like "You're a bad individual for being X and deserve all the vitriol in the world because, though I understand nothing of it and that becomes clear with what I'm going to say, made that 'decision'")

EDIT:

Sorta feel like this is relevant, judging by some of the comments:

When people are referring to "oppression" or "being oppressed" they're not referring to... minor dislike of their interests, or career choices. People are referring to legal discrimination that takes place because they belong to one of multiple groups the controlling establishment does not like. For example, receiving less pay for doing the same job as your peers due to a physical trait, or inherent trait, about you. Legally being fired from a job because you have a boss who decides a benign trait about you is fire-worthy (benign as much as hair color). Legally being kicked out of establishments because you have traits the owner or manager or worker in the establishment doesn't like. Being given death threats, having grievous crimes committed against you, being harassed to the point where it does break the law, but no one you go to helps you, or laughs about your situation and waves it off as not a big deal. When media and books and organizations deliberately misrepresent who you are because of these traits (perpetuating harmful stereotypes), who even go on smear campaigns over people like you (who might be kids, even) on the basis that they don't like you, that they think something's wrong and messed up with you and that the law should be altered to deal with people like you by granting you less rights, less protections (or just having needed protections denied), and that the goal of their organization is to have a world where people like you are either all dead, don't exist, or are put aside from society and left to rot. And so much more.

And when crimes, hate-crimes, and so on occur and happen for people to say to the victim of the crime "well, you were at fault for being X in the first place!" and then sympathizing with the guilty party because the guilty party lacks all of the traits the victim has that lead to them being victimized in the first place.

I want to say that no matter how civilized, polite and upright anyone thinks it is to show respect unconditionally, I will still deck the person who tells me my friend(s) deserve to live a life of abuse and poverty and deserve little more than being killed, that they're a menace, or they're broken, or messed up in some imaginary manner, or that they deserved being hurt, attacked, or deserve to be attacked, harassed or thrown through a traumatic experience.

Their position means absolutely nothing to me, granted they'd rather harm people I care about and are debating from a position of making it -legal- to harm people I care about. That's not a valid position. It's not a respectable one. It's a sick, disgusting, twisted one and whoever treats it like an actual, valid position and respects it is doing more harm by perpetuating the idea that thinking this way is "okay" and "valid" and is worthy for intellectual discussion and debate (albeit, less of the "intellectual" part).

If you respect every single person with such a venomous position: they won't listen to anything you say (re: vast vast vast majority of these debates I've had) and any points you make and evidence you bring forth will be ignored and they'll feel more validated by having that opinion because someone listened to it.

So, if someone presents stuff like that to me I'll simply tell them that it's a disgusting, rotten opinion not worthy of debate because the content is so cruel and pathetic that it's not worth entertaining as a basic idea in the first place. Because there is no debate when the idea is to treat people like sub-humans and I will not respect the position, nor the person if they really think it's a valid idea.

i was about to say nooo how could you kill the most fabulous alchemist in all the land

then i saw the entry underneath and suddenly understood

Everyone deserves respect. Period.

Yes and no.

To people who would full on believe that discriminating, insulting and degrading and oppressing other groups of human beings and care not for how this treatment affects those people, they deserve no respect from me. If all that person wants to do is spit out hurtful, potentially violent and in some cases life-threatening rhetoric: no.

On the other hand, if someone makes an ignorant comment (this is just -me- and -my- position), I'll tell them and if they genuinely made it by mistake and want to know more about the subject as to avoid making the same mistake in the future, I'll respectfully send them appropriate links to appropriate places (and if I lack any, I'll ask friends who may have some I could send).

Difference here is that one person is a disrespecting face-shirt through and through, whereas the other one has some bit of human decency where they realize "hey, I said a totally non-cool thing, I should learn more so I don't act like a face-shirt or become one."

Of course on debates and the like of things like, "what's your favorite TV Show?" or "Which is better, blue or yellow?" Then -of course- it's better to act and treat everyone with decency. (Someone doesn't like NGE? Totally rad, though I like it I'm not gonna go all "omg how can you not you rotten tomato holy scrumptious cupcakes" though I've had a lot of really cool and fun discussions of anime, manga, books, novels, and the characters, stories, overarching themes and meanings and interpretations between someone who likes one I don't, or between someone who dislikes one I like.

i wish i could really be pretty pretty princess <\3

i wish i got the green dragon but it was in the time where like, 10$ was like "wow so much money" to me (well it still kinda is)

but dragons are like one of my favorite things, though nowadays i don't use Lego enough to justify buying anything really (aside from maybe like, a set depicting my favorite thing in a movie, or something).

though i do like the older models and stuff, but part of my preference is likely nostalgia (the other part being that there were more pieces, but that change happened... for reasons i forget, but i recall just due to the plastic pieces costing more to produce now than then).

i wanna be a mother like that

musical numbers out of the shiznit

i just love how this dance has trickled its way into the games i play

i have a friend who'd be into this

granted he told me about killing a t-rex with lasers on the account that the t-rex would threaten how amazing lasers are.

yep, i tend to attempt doing it every year (once i got past 60k, though just after the deadline and ended up deleting the file)

can this be a real children's book so i can have it forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever

I totally used your safari to fish up that Ditto.

Which I traded for a foreign Ditto because I need more shiny raltseses

Awh, though only really one person I know used it with me. And now the texting-app-thing we use has something similar to it, so he won't be stopped from flooding me with images x.x

Sad it's gone, even if I didn't use it much >.>;;;

I was purely talking about the one aspect of the conversation I was quoting (the "bigot/bigoted" being an insult or not) as someone brought that up earlier. I've seen those accused of posting bigoted, hurtful things act in a manner as if the term is victimizing them in some fashion and, simply, wished to address that particular point made. There are others far, far more eloquent than myself who I think would do a better job at touching on the rest of things (Princess mentioned wanting to post something earlier on in the entry).

But for me, that's all I wanted to touch on since it was brought up. (That and while I read the blog entry, I only read a few of the comments -- I'm constrained for time, so chose to talk about the one comment that irked me a bit).

A clarification on the matter of insults - while it is true that calling someone who is behaving in a bigoted manner a bigot is not a false statement, that does not meant that it cannot and is not likely to be taken as an insult, any more than calling someone who displays certain behaviour a lying, self-obsessed attention-seeker with the attention span of a goldfish would not be insulting from their point of view. Whether the accusation is true or not, calling someone a bigot is not going to produce a calm, rational response from them, while more diplomatic language - stating that they are wrong, why they are wrong, and how they are wrong - could lead to a peaceful resolution

There are some people within the LGBT+ circle who don't necessarily want to sit down and write up another wall of text going into that the person is in the wrong, why they are wrong and how they are wrong. Not everyone likes to try and take out their time to explain these things (again) to, usually, be ignored outright when approaching it in a completely calm and logical manner. Some people would rather say "don't post bigoted things in my blog" and I have a very, very hard time seeing the insult there. It's simply saying "don't post dehumanizing things about people" in a more concise manner, with a term that hasn't degraded into one people use to casually insult one another or demean one another. If someone were to take offense to that statement, then they should take it upon themselves to understand why -- it's their words, their responsibility. If they don't want to come to any sort of understanding, then they simply won't (and will complain how the term "bigot" is offending their sensibilities when it accurately described what they were posting).

Some people just don't want to deal with it, at all. And there's nothing wrong with that -- not everyone in the LGBT+ community has to educate everybody every time they act hurtful on an issue. Not everyone has the patience to, or the stamina, and some might be in fragile situations mentally (e.g: Depression, frustrated easily). But they can say that something posted was bigoted, they can request that type of thing to not be posted in their personal blog and, if it persists, they can (and would, I imagine) get staff involved so the problem's done.

Bigot/Sexist are two terms used to describe those actions and what they're doing. The terms aren't inherently insulting and, if someone does find them insulting, I honestly do feel that it would be a good thing -- they don't want to be seen as a bigot or as sexist: maybe they'll go out of their way to educate themselves more on the subject to understand how to avoid having their posts labeled as such in the future? Maybe they won't, but those who won't likely don't care enough and only want to victimize themselves to make them feel more justified after insulting a large minority of people. (Honestly, every time I've changed someone's mind on the issue, it was because they wanted to know more and have more information and I gladly presented it to them happily -- I really do like it when people try to empathize and understand and learn. I've never changed the mind or stance of someone so stalwart in their beliefs that they still believe they are the paragon of all that is good, while belittling someone else).

They're about as insulting as saying "you're wrong." People don't like to be told that, but when it's true (or when it's applied) they really should look at what they posted and try to figure out why (which is, usually, easy to do). Or, at the very least, ask about it -- what did I say was bigoted? Why? Rather than adamantly sit there and say "nope; I can totally disagree with who you are and that's a valid opinion to have."

And saying that x, y or z is bigoted/sexist brings in examples of what people in the LGBT+/female community (among others) find offensive. It would, hopefully, keep others from saying those things, or barging into blog entries where they aren't wanted to start up a debate. Or barge into a topic and claim all LGBT+ things should be banned from the site and expect no blowback from such a statement (and then begin to use actual, real insults when called out on saying bigoted and hurtful things).

Can they be taken as insults? Yes. Does that make them so? No.

Let's say that someone makes a homophobic comment. Whether or not they did so purposefully is, for the moment, irrelevant. Let's just say it happens. If our first response is to call them a "bigot" and accuse them of hate crimes, it's unlikely they'll come to a place of understanding. All it will do is rile up emotions and pit people against each other.

I sort of wanted to touch on this particular statement.

When someone posts something discriminatory against a group of people, that individual -- whether they like it or not -- is acting like a bigot. Sometimes these people are bigots and it's relatively obvious to tell the difference between the two. Calling someone a bigot is not an "insult" it's a correct term applied to a person acting in such a manner. If they wish not to be called a bigot, or equated to them, then they ought to heed the posts telling them off and actively apologize and try to make right with those wronged. If they don't do this and just complain that they're being insulted when, in actuality, they are not... then they wouldn't attempt to learn even if they were approached without the term.

Calling someone a "bigot" is definitely not even close to the scale of even just regular insults, barring hate-speech and slurs. It's a real, real, real term used to describe a particular mindset and behavior. It's -not- an insult. If you think it is an insult and someone calls you it, then figure out how to correct your behavior so the label is no longer accurate to describe your behavior, mindset, or outlook.

"Sexist" is not an insult, either. It's another term applied to describe a behavior, mindset and outlook displayed by a person. People can be, and are, sexist. Just like there are those who are bigots.

These terms are accurate terms to describe a behavior, outlook and mindset. If these people are upset by being accurately described, then they really should figure out what they need to do to make it so it's no longer accurate (You know, by not being sexist/bigoted) and not complain about someone applying an accurate label to their behavior.

I am sorry, but those two terms are absolutely not on the level of the standard insult, and are leagues upon leagues away from even being close to some of the slurs and statements I have seen members here make on these very boards, and off of them. While I am totally for education, calling these particular terms "insults", in the end, makes it harder to actually educate.

If you get yourself up past level 25ish, you should be able to catch some of the current event World Invasions when they happen in those zones (1hr long, occur each day in every zone at least once).

(And Necromancer is fun)

<3 you all

Follow Deevee's rules.

Problem solved.

but sometimes accident

Then fix it and make sure it doesn't happen again. And apologize. Forgetting isn't an excuse to not edit, not apologize and not care.

When I get the funds, so buying that album.

i played that game and got to a firey place

then i had no idea what to do... and don't own the game anymore :B