Wotz Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I agree with Krayzikk. We can't just retcon that entire fight, so leave it for now, or take it to PM or something. D U N E W O L F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katuko Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 (edited) Screw the possible teleportation, I'm more interested in knowing how one can shoot not one but two football-sized projectiles into the same NPC's heart. Edited March 14, 2012 by Katuko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunflower Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Do you mean football or football? :POk, sorry. - BZPRPG - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow pridak money gang Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I don't think Zamor Spheres are quite that size, but even if they were, the firing rate of the Zamor Launcher is far from quick. By the time one hit, the other would be ready to fire.-Teezy ＳＡＹ ＩＴ ＯＮＥ ＭＯＲＥ ＴＩＭＥ ＴＥＬＬ ＭＥ ＷＨＡＴ ＩＳ ＯＮ ＹＯＵＲ ＭＩＮＤ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Xemnas~ Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 They could be that size- since Skakdi, Vortixx, and Toa are all taller than people: what seems large to launch to us might be the norm for them. BZPRPG Profiles Ghosts of Bara Magna Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relapse Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Setwise, they are just larger than a toa's hand. Same in the comics. I personally think they'd be the size of a baseball, maybe a softball. BZPRPG ProfilesIC: "It comes with the job," Halfimus explained, "I'm not paid enough to give anything outside quick flavour descriptions." So pay me more AuRon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Xemnas~ Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Indeed, KNI, but since a Toa's hand is probably larger than a humans, I would say something larger than a baseball. BZPRPG Profiles Ghosts of Bara Magna Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow pridak money gang Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Maybe a softball, then. Football size seems to be a bit of an exaggeration.-Teezy ＳＡＹ ＩＴ ＯＮＥ ＭＯＲＥ ＴＩＭＥ ＴＥＬＬ ＭＥ ＷＨＡＴ ＩＳ ＯＮ ＹＯＵＲ ＭＩＮＤ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunflower Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Yeah.I would think that Zamors would be more of a weapon to burst on contact, not going through somebody. - BZPRPG - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relapse Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Could you tell me where it is said they have larger hands than humans? I don't doubt it is at least implied, I just prefer confirmation. BZPRPG ProfilesIC: "It comes with the job," Halfimus explained, "I'm not paid enough to give anything outside quick flavour descriptions." So pay me more AuRon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Scientist BioBeast Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I'd say somewhere between a dodge-ball and a softball. Softball seems too small to me... "I'll do it... If that is the choice of Stein's Gate!I am the mad scientist, Hououin Kyouma!Fooling the world is nothing to me!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkakuBen Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Agreed. A small dodgeball... acutally, think like a size 3 soccer ball, like the ones 5 and 6 year olds use... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krayzikk Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I think that if Toa, Skakdi, and Vortixx were scaled to be the same height as us, zamors would be about the size of a softball-small dodgeball.At their height, perhaps a dodgeball. On this eve, the thirtieth anniversary of that first colony, many are left to wonder; is the world fast approaching a breaking point? Breaking Point: An OTC Mecha RPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow pridak money gang Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 ...Well, BB.My thanks for ruining what would have been the perfect plan.-Teezy ＳＡＹ ＩＴ ＯＮＥ ＭＯＲＥ ＴＩＭＥ ＴＥＬＬ ＭＥ ＷＨＡＴ ＩＳ ＯＮ ＹＯＵＲ ＭＩＮＤ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Golden Knight- Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 (edited) I've always thought of them to be the size of cantaloupes. BTW, do Zamor Launchers reload automatically right or do they need to be reloaded manually every shot? Edited March 15, 2012 by Nebula 2.0 -Where there is light, shadows lurk and fear reigns- -Yet by the blade of Knights, mankind was given hope- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Scientist BioBeast Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 ...Well, BB.My thanks for ruining what would have been the perfect plan.-TeezyWell, no plan is perfect. (And I do not feel like bringing up the 'You metagamed' topic again.) Not to mention, Icarin did state that if they disrupted normal Koro life, he'd interfere. I'd say kidnapping a Turaga counts. "I'll do it... If that is the choice of Stein's Gate!I am the mad scientist, Hououin Kyouma!Fooling the world is nothing to me!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Xemnas~ Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 ...Well, BB.My thanks for ruining what would have been the perfect plan.-TeezyCool story, bro. I mean... I'm so sorry that your plan to kidnap Onewa has failed.I knew if would fail. BZPRPG Profiles Ghosts of Bara Magna Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow pridak money gang Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 ...Well, BB.My thanks for ruining what would have been the perfect plan.-TeezyWell, no plan is perfect. (And I do not feel like bringing up the 'You metagamed' topic again.) Not to mention, Icarin did state that if they disrupted normal Koro life, he'd interfere. I'd say kidnapping a Turaga counts.The fact is, if you hadn't dropped Icarin into Po-Koro (with no proof of where Raknar was going, and no proof he was attacking the Koro) it would have worked. You did, in fact, metagame, and that was what gave Onewa the opportunity to escape.You attacked a random Skakdi just for being in Po-Koro at the time of the explosion. If you brought that case to court in real life, it would never hold up.And yes, to all the trolls reading this topic: I mad.-Teezy ＳＡＹ ＩＴ ＯＮＥ ＭＯＲＥ ＴＩＭＥ ＴＥＬＬ ＭＥ ＷＨＡＴ ＩＳ ＯＮ ＹＯＵＲ ＭＩＮＤ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relapse Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 ...Well, BB.My thanks for ruining what would have been the perfect plan.-TeezyCool story, bro. I mean... I'm so sorry that your plan to kidnap Onewa has failed.I knew if would fail.When you have no idea what you're talking about, it's generally not a good idea to put your two cents in.No offense, but honestly, you'd be mad if meta-gaming ruined your gaming as well. BZPRPG ProfilesIC: "It comes with the job," Halfimus explained, "I'm not paid enough to give anything outside quick flavour descriptions." So pay me more AuRon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krayzikk Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 All I know is that Gunner, Song, Grochi and Raknar are about to be outnumbered very soon. Ouch. On this eve, the thirtieth anniversary of that first colony, many are left to wonder; is the world fast approaching a breaking point? Breaking Point: An OTC Mecha RPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Scientist BioBeast Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 As I have stated, I tried to have him follow them closely. But you guys moved way too fast. So he set off in the same direction that they did. AND HE KNOWS RAKNAR'S FACE. That might have something to do with why he attacked who he did.Now, can we either take this to a PM, or let it go? I'm not gonna give up my position, and I don't think you will either, and this will only lead to a flame war. "I'll do it... If that is the choice of Stein's Gate!I am the mad scientist, Hououin Kyouma!Fooling the world is nothing to me!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relapse Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 We moved too fast...? It's your internet that kept you from posting. We can't revolve around when you can/can't post. BZPRPG ProfilesIC: "It comes with the job," Halfimus explained, "I'm not paid enough to give anything outside quick flavour descriptions." So pay me more AuRon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Scientist BioBeast Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 For a day or two. A DAY OR TWO should not make my character have to follow them in a strange way. Now, please PM me if you have any further complaints. "I'll do it... If that is the choice of Stein's Gate!I am the mad scientist, Hououin Kyouma!Fooling the world is nothing to me!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relapse Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 But it also shouldn't give you a pass to play unfairly. BZPRPG ProfilesIC: "It comes with the job," Halfimus explained, "I'm not paid enough to give anything outside quick flavour descriptions." So pay me more AuRon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow pridak money gang Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 So he followed them closely, but not closely enough that Raknar or any of the lookouts couldn't detect him?Also, you still attacked him without any proof. Raknar could have been stopping for supplies, or maybe just to get something specific, heck, he could've stopped for some beer or something. Yet just because he was around the Turaga's hut moments after an explosion half the Koro away, Icarin feels he has the right to attack him?None of your arguments make any sense at all. Like I said, if this were a court of law, Raknar would be laughing his way out of the courtroom right now.-Teezy ＳＡＹ ＩＴ ＯＮＥ ＭＯＲＥ ＴＩＭＥ ＴＥＬＬ ＭＥ ＷＨＡＴ ＩＳ ＯＮ ＹＯＵＲ ＭＩＮＤ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legolover-361 Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Um, Biobeast, you could've just explained in your IC post how Icarin followed Raknar. That would not only have cleared up the confusion but also made up for your inactivity. As it is, you just dropped Icarin right into the middle of a raid with no explanation, and now you're forced to provide one -- not an enviable position. (( BZPRPG profiles: Kynaera, Nova )) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuju Metru Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 My stance on this, as I recently explained to Shadow Guardian, was that yes, it is not as realistic of play as it could be for sure, but wanting to get in on the action is commendable, and hey, the more obstacles stopping you from getting Onewa, the harder it will be. And stealing a Turaga isn't supposed to be easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow pridak money gang Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I never expected it to be.What I didn't expect, however, was for my plan to be nipped in the bud by what is clearly a blatant violation of the RPG's metagaming rules.-Teezy ＳＡＹ ＩＴ ＯＮＥ ＭＯＲＥ ＴＩＭＥ ＴＥＬＬ ＭＥ ＷＨＡＴ ＩＳ ＯＮ ＹＯＵＲ ＭＩＮＤ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grantaire Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 So... Now Metagaming is regarded as commendable?Wow...Friar Tuck's common sense guide, I miss you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow pridak money gang Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 ^ From said common sense guide, straight from the big man himself:"The above sentence sums it up perfectly; it’s a term often used to describe players' use of assumed characteristics of the game. In particular, metagaming often refers to having a character act on knowledge that only the player has access to (for example: tricking a medusa to stare at a mirror when the character has never even heard of medusas and should not be aware of their petrifying stare). For instance, a player might adjust his character's actions if the player has some foreknowledge of future events. Another one would be knowing names, abilities, powers, or locations without actually meeting someone, fighting that person, or having been at that location. Metegaming happens when players input information that they know into the game when their character has neither the right nor ability to know it. Sometimes it subtle, sometimes blatant, but this is why we have “IC” and “OOC” in RPing posts; to distinguish between player knowledge/speaking, and character knowledge/speaking. Such playing should be avoided at all costs, since it is both unrealistic and unfair."-Teezy ＳＡＹ ＩＴ ＯＮＥ ＭＯＲＥ ＴＩＭＥ ＴＥＬＬ ＭＥ ＷＨＡＴ ＩＳ ＯＮ ＹＯＵＲ ＭＩＮＤ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grantaire Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 (edited) Metagaming is not actually the biggest problem. The main problem is that BB posted something that supposedly happened in the past, long after it happened. This is allowed in some cases, but when related directly to other characters as this was, it's never been allowed. For example, midway through a fight, I can't IC my character doing something five in game minutes ago, when that time has long gone. Let's say that i thought of the perfect move to take down a foe in a time in the fight several minutes ago, and now I'm about to die, I can't go back five minutes and have that move happen, because it would change the course of events. Same thing here. Edited March 15, 2012 by Zarayna: The Quiet Light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuju Metru Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 (edited) I never expected it to be.What I didn't expect, however, was for my plan to be nipped in the bud by what is clearly a blatant violation of the RPG's metagaming rules.-TeezyYour plan is not over. You can still take the Turaga, I encourage you to. You just have to do it in a way that'll get around this one being in your way. Is that too hard for you? A general rule (also extracted from Tuck's guide, which is clearly your guys' Bible) is that plans aren't foolproof. Here, look:Common Sense dictates that:- Plans are NOT perfect!The second extension of the Physics/Logic conundrum. While plans are good, they cannot possibly predict every possible outcome, especially if you’re matching wits against an equal. There comes a time in battle where your “prediction” or how you wormed out of something hits the Ridiculous Factor.You're bringing up BB's fairly common (but, in most cases, ignored) metagaming action because it interfered with what you guys had thought was a perfect plan. Plans are never perfect in this game.So... Now Metagaming is regarded as commendable?Wow...Friar Tuck's common sense guide, I miss you.Tuck's guide is still very much in effect. Those who metagame will face in-game consequences. I told Shadow Guardian in our conversation that I certainly don't encourage metagaming. I also don't encourage you guys questioning my judgement; it's disrespectful, and frankly I had expected a little more faith from my players. You need to trust that BB will be punished.But he'll be punished when it suits me and my schedule. And what suits my schedule best right now is to let somebody else make your mission harder. Edited March 15, 2012 by Mothra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otter Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I honestly don't mind that he metagamed at all. It was relatively minor, and he'd been trying to follow after us for a while, so...Besides, he's making this mission more fun for me. profiles i guess i'm a south american giant otter now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lorax Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Oh no! Poor Matau. :(I guess that makes two kidnapped Turaga in one day. Who will be next, I wonder. Nuju, maybe? Nokama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otter Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I doubt Nuju will kidnap his former namesake.Kill, maybe, but not kidnap. There isn't enough style there. profiles i guess i'm a south american giant otter now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Xemnas~ Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Hmmm... while I was reading Nuju's post in Le-Wahi, a thought popped into my head- what if the Matoran Contest (and its winners) will be somehow related to the Second Great Prophecy? Anybody else think of this? BZPRPG Profiles Ghosts of Bara Magna Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otter Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Hmmm... while I was reading Nuju's post in Le-Wahi, a thought popped into my head- what if the Matoran Contest (and its winners) will be somehow related to the Second Great Prophecy? Anybody else think of this?I've been thinking that since I read what he posted about Vakama with the Second Prophecy. It wasn't too long ago, I'm surprised you missed it. profiles i guess i'm a south american giant otter now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Xemnas~ Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 No, I didn't miss it- I just didn't think of this until now. BZPRPG Profiles Ghosts of Bara Magna Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunflower Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 ZOHEMGEEYoda, I mean Matau is gonna be kidnapped! - BZPRPG - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lorax Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Unless somebody barges in for an inadequately explained reason and starts attacking Heunai. So, any volunteers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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