Illuminatus Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 (edited) Does anybody have any idea at which point the original plans for the two Toa Hagah sets in 2005 were "scrapped"? I mean, we've been told they were initially meant to be Toa Nidhiki and Dume, however, were the sets looking pretty much like their final versions when LEGO changed their identities (meaning prototype sets and boxes were created, similar to the way there's a Hakann box that says "Brutaka") or were those plans discarded at a considerably earlier point? Thanks. Edited January 12, 2014 by Surreality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyclonatorZ Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 I have no idea, because I had never even heard until now that the sets were repurposed. Now that you mention it though, it explains why the Kiril was used to represent the Pehkui instead of a brand new mold. Quote I have slept for so long. My dreams have been dark ones. But now I am awakened. Now the scattered elements of my being are rejoined. Now I am whole. And the Darkness can not stand before me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatureDruid Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 I have no idea, because I had never even heard until now that the sets were repurposed. Now that you mention it though, it explains why the Kiril was used to represent the Pehkui instead of a brand new mold.Does make sense.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flynn58 Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Well, Nidhiki had a mask of stealth, but the quick-tele mask mold was probably originally made as the stealth mask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeCee Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) Well, Nidhiki had a mask of stealth, but the quick-tele mask mold was probably originally made as the stealth mask.I think Irunis mask looks a little like Nidihkis face IMOEDIT: IDK how they could have fitted into the story line though. maybe Dume, but Nidihki was dead Edited October 14, 2012 by Alterego Quote Signature Guidelines: Avatar and signature total file size may not exceed 250 KB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSciFiGuy Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 That Dume-Norik mask connection just blew my mind XD Quote Bionicle: ANP aims to create narrated versions of all the Bionicle books, with voice actors for each character, and music taken from various media to enhance the story. Check here if you're interested in voicing a character, and here for the chapters that've already been released!Formerly: Tahu Nuva 3.0Looking for a Bionicle Beanie. Black one with the symbol on it. Contact me if you are willing to sell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illuminatus Posted October 16, 2012 Author Share Posted October 16, 2012 Seriously, did none of you really know that? I'm guessing it was really underground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Lord Splash Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 (edited) I always knew they had the same mask... I just thought they were being cheap and didn't want to make a new mold... but that totally makes a lot of sense. I wish they had made the whole team for the Hagah instead of just those two :sWasn't Dume not on the same team as Nidhiki though? How would that have worked. Edited October 16, 2012 by Flex Capacitor Quote BZP-RPG Profiles Marvel Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illuminatus Posted October 16, 2012 Author Share Posted October 16, 2012 Well, it would've worked if they'd altered the story. Back then, nothing was set in stone, remember? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 1st Shadow Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Wasn't Dume not on the same team as Nidhiki though? How would that have worked.I don't think that was decided until after the sets came out. Remember, Greg always said story follows sets.As for the whole character-switch thing, yeah, I remember hearing that they were supposed to be Nidhiki and Norik, though why they were changed, I have no idea. I'd theorize that it was supposed to be a flashback set, showing the characters from times long past. But, I guess we may never know the reason. Quote ~Your friendly, neighborhood Shadow ~Credit for Avatar and Banner goes to NickonAquaMagna~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaru Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Don't quote me on this, but from what I remember Greg needed forms for Toa Iruini and Norik, and it didn't make sense to release Nidhiki and Dume (as they were not even Toa on the same team), so he re-purposed those sets for those characters. Quote Spoiler Alert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axonn's Fury Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Seriously, did none of you really know that? I'm guessing it was really underground. Yeah honestly after I read the OP post, I found my brain telling me this exact thing.Seeing as Nidhiki was one of my favorite Toa-that-never-was (set wise), and Iruini and Norik were easily my favorite sets of the time, I have no idea how I missed this?The similarities are striking. Infact, I MOCed a Toa Nidhiki using Defilaks Kanohi Kualsi... And considering Dume and Norik have the same Kanohi/Similar colors...This is one of the biggest mind blows I've had in a while.- Taka Quote BZPChat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeCee Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Seriously, did none of you really know that? I'm guessing it was really underground. I knew about it Quote Signature Guidelines: Avatar and signature total file size may not exceed 250 KB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dual Cee Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Very logic indeed:Norik = FireDume= FireNidhiki = AirIruini. = Air The kanohi too , Norik's represents ha kiril rememberAnd Iruini's must have been the original idee of a kanohi voltiakMy idea, nothing changed to the sets, there names were just altered,and were granted rothuka shields Quote I'm back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Inika Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I imagine they changed the identities because it was easier to work in a Toa Hagah flashback than a Toa Mangai or Toa Dume one. Plus, if Toa Nidhiki would have retained the pronounced chestplate, it would have looked rather disproportionate to that of Lhikan, the team leader. But, had they released a Toa Nidhiki and Toa Dume without the extra chest armor, they would have just been Toa Metru rehashes. It makes sense for the elite Hagah to have them. Quote "You are an absolute in these uncertain times. Your past is forgotten, and your future is an empty book. You must find your own destiny, my brave adventurer." -- Turaga Nokama Click here to visit my library! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.B.O.C Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I remember hearing about this way back when - I guess people have gradually forgotten about it. But yeah, looking at the design for most of them, they call back to their characters, set-wise mostly.For Instance: Iruni's Chestplate = Nidhiki's Chestplate; Kulasi = Nidhki's Head; Norik's Chestplate = Turaga Dume's body... etc. Quote My Brickshelf, please don't copy!... ...Looking for shiny Regirock, Articuno, and Virizion!(Can trade most any legendary for them!)My 3DS friend list is full, sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turaga Norik Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 This topic makes me feel old. I just assumed that this was common knowledge, but things get forgotten after a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARROW404 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I was well aware of the scrapping. It was pretty intuitive just looking at them, in my opinion. I don't remember ever hearing about them being Dume or Nidhiki prior to their release, though. Quote BZPRPG Profiles If I go AWOL for a while, feel free to contact me via Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARU 867 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) Wasn't Dume not on the same team as Nidhiki though? How would that have worked. No, Nidhiki was Lhikan team, the Toa Mangai. Dume gave him his power to Lhikan, and in doing so thus became Turaga. Norik and Iruni were originally designed to be Dume and Nidihki, but problems arose that were not Toa in the same time, and then decided to change the characters. Nidhiki had coincided with Lhikan that came the same year. Edited December 6, 2012 by LARU 867 Quote PS: sorry for errors, blame the translator. http://www.bzpower.c...?showtopic=418] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manterax Prime Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I had the Toa Hagah once, and I did indeed know about this before coming here. Reading this makes me want those sets again. The Metru/Hordika saga was always my favorite in terms of design and aesthetic. Quote Tired of broken BIONICLE sets? Support the Remolded Sockets Service Pack project by Kon1 on CUUSOO http://lego.cuusoo.com/ideas/view/17500Want more female characters to stand with you BIONICLE or HF collection? Support Bunyip's Constraction Line for Girls project on CUUSOO http://lego.cuusoo.com/ideas/view/6801 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowBionics Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Ah, yes, I do indeed remember hearing about that long ago. For me, I always saw the resemblance and even thought like for Iruini, "This could work for Nidhiki if you reworked him a bit." The mask even resembles Nidhiki's head a bit, so you can even say his head was a mutated version of the mask. For Norik, I flat out saw he looked a lot like Turaga Dume with the same mask and even the body piece. Just color them different, take away the a few things, and he could pass as a Turaga Dume set. So I did have a feeling they were meant to perhaps be representations of Nidhiki and possibly Dume (although it doesn't make sense why they'd have them both together like that) as possible call backs to past Toa we hadn't seen in the story before, at least not as "Toa," maybe as promotional sets that maybe didn't play a part in the story... I mean since Nidhiki got turned into a mutant Dark Hunter that got "eaten" by Makuta, and Dume was a Turaga who didn't play much of a role in 2005. So with that, I'm guessing as others have pointed out, plans to make them be Nidhiki and Dume were scrapped, but the models were kept so that Greg could use them for Toa Norik and Toa Iruini for the flashback sequence detailing the origins of the Rahaga, and could easily be the reason why there are only 2 Toa Hagah and not 6. That, and I'm guess it'd be a stretch to release 6 promotional sets like that, so 2 would be safer. That's just my guess. Quote [flash=250,100]http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/sprxtrerme/BANNERS/thornax.swf [Bionicle: Unsolved Mysteries] [The Knights of Terankos] [Miyaka The Blazing Wind] No, I didn't see you playing with your dolls again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Inika Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Yeah, six Special Edition sets wouldn't have been very special. Plus, they'd probably have costed more than they'd have generated. I do like how there were only two Toa Hagah in the comic, because it let us really see how these two characters were. Norik was easily penned down as a brave and fearless leader, willing to challenge the Brotherhood without a second thought because he cared so much for the Matoran and had faith the Great Spirit would guide him. Iruini was somewhat unconventional, believing the Hagah's power was squandered and trying to quit, but joining forces with Norik when he learned they were captured. Quote "You are an absolute in these uncertain times. Your past is forgotten, and your future is an empty book. You must find your own destiny, my brave adventurer." -- Turaga Nokama Click here to visit my library! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Being Velika Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 I have no idea, because I had never even heard until now that the sets were repurposed. Now that you mention it though, it explains why the Kiril was used to represent the Pehkui instead of a brand new mold.That is why Iruni's mask looks like nhidiki's and why Norik's mask is Dumes. Quote I like BZP so much, I named my Minecraft account Dimensioneer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Nui Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 It would be awesome if they released the other four Toa Hagah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaman25 Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 They were originally going to be Nidhiki and Dume but the idea was dropped in favor of them being those two characters and they were changed to Norik and Iruini. Quote Farewell, Bionicle.com You will always be remembered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unauthorized Autobiography Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 They were originally going to be Nidhiki and Dume but the idea was dropped in favor of them being those two characters and they were changed to Norik and Iruini. :/ Which explains pretty well why their masks are similar/the same Quote -G u u R a h K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pomegranate Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 This has made my 2005 memories crash as the realization seeped into me :PThat makes absolute perfect sense; the colorschemes, the masks... I had always commented that the chest armor on Nidihki and Iruini (the bohrok claw) were the same mold, but I can't beleive I never made the connection! This certainly does explain a lot...I'm pretty torn now about whether I wish they had left them as Nidhiki and Dume, since having them as Toa (and those particular awesome sets) would have been amazing, or if my love for the Hagah wins out over that. Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creep Of The Deep Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Huh, I have heard of this before. But I thought it was just speculation! That makes sense set-wise, but storyline-wise, what reason could they have? Then again, back in 2005 they didn't really make sense storyline-wise either. But this is a nice piece of trivia. Quote Do not trust corrupted memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AdaptingChaos Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Oh my! This makes perfect sense!!! Iove the Toa Hagah! But I still wish that they kept Dume and Nidihki so then we could have had a chance of seeing the complete Toa Hagah team as sets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nexxus Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Taken directly from BS01 pages for Iruini and Norik: "Toa Norik started out as a set design for Dume as a Toa." "Initially, the set that became Toa Iruini was going to be Nidhiki in his Toa form." Also, when you think about it, it mentions Norik having his Pehkui made in the form of a past Kiril wearing hero, so it would have worked for Dume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Inika Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Taken directly from BS01 pages for Iruini and Norik: "Toa Norik started out as a set design for Dume as a Toa." "Initially, the set that became Toa Iruini was going to be Nidhiki in his Toa form." Also, when you think about it, it mentions Norik having his Pehkui made in the form of a past Kiril wearing hero, so it would have worked for Dume.I wrote that. And yeah, Norik's Kiril being shaped as a Pehkui is for that reason. Am I the only one who also noticed that Dekar and Defilak have the Toa Hagah's masks? Quote "You are an absolute in these uncertain times. Your past is forgotten, and your future is an empty book. You must find your own destiny, my brave adventurer." -- Turaga Nokama Click here to visit my library! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chro Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I always wondered about that too. It made me think that they were considering using the Kualsi mold in dark green (would've worked for Nidhiki) but changed it to gold to distinguish Iruini from him... then later liked the look and used it on Defilak. Otherwise it could've been, say, red. (Or that could be a coincidence. ) Quote save not only their lives but their spirits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeCee Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I always wondered about that too. It made me think that they were considering using the Kualsi mold in dark green (would've worked for Nidhiki) but changed it to gold to distinguish Iruini from him... then later liked the look and used it on Defilak. Otherwise it could've been, say, red. (Or that could be a coincidence. )It just annoys me they never gave Sarda a recolored mask. The darn red Huna was used in three sets. Quote Signature Guidelines: Avatar and signature total file size may not exceed 250 KB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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