Unworthy Toa

[Toa Genris]

What are toa called when they break the toa code and become unworthy to have the title of toa? They still appear to be toa, and can't be called matoran, so what would you call them?

[~Xemnas~]

I would suppose that they would be called by their names (ex: instead of Toa Nidhiki, he would just be Nidhiki).

[Just A Dot]

I would still call them Toa. I mean, they are still a member of the species, which, if I am not mistaken, is called Toa, unlike the Glatorian species, which has no name.

[BioGio]

They could be called Matoran, since that is technically the name of the species, but that would be confusing and rather silly. Further, "Toa" would also be acceptable, as it's used mostly as an indicator of power level (as well as being a title). In fact, I think that only Lesovikk actually renounced the title "Toa," as Helryx and Tuyet appear to have been called Toa, if not in the "hero" sense.~ BioGio

[FrozenFlash]

I always call Toa Toa no matter what.

[Sumiki]

I always thought that if a Toa breaks the Toa Code, that Toa does not necessarily have to renounce his or her. It's more of a personal thing, at least in my mind.On top of that, it's both a title and a species (Congratulations, your Matoran evolved into a Toa!). Even the self-renounced Toa Lesovikk is still a Toa to me, because he's tall, has a Kanohi, and has an elemental power.

Edited January 10, 2012 by Sumiki

[Baron Von Nebula]

Disgraced Toa, or Ex-Toa I suppose. Although the latter is too close to Exo-Toa to be practically used.

[Makuta Matata]

Rogue Toa?

[Toa Smoke Monster]

I always call Toa Toa no matter what.

Same here. I wouldn't know what else to call them.

[Nick Silverpen]

We in our society can use the word "sir" with mock respect, so maybe it's like that

[25K Now!]

I would probably call them 'Lesovikks'....That was supposed to be sarcasm.Anyway, I would still call them Toa because they are Toa, which is a sub-species of the Matoran species. Matoran sapiens? Matoran sapiens toa? Matoran sapiens turaga?

[Makuta_of_Oz]

The closest match I can name is the chutespeak term "Toa-villain".

[Taipu1]

Tall Matoran :PBut Kikanalo humour aside, I think it's up to the Toa in question, if you don't want the title, or don't feel you deserve it, you don't take it. It is the species name, but if you know someone is evil, there's a good chance you'll know their name and call them buy that. If you saw them being evil, but didn't know their name it would be "that rogue Toa", or "the evil Toa."

[fishers64]

If a Toa breaks the Toa Code, I don't think your biggest problem is what to call them. For example, when Nidhiki went rogue, he became a Dark Hunter, and you would call him that. Toa Lesovikk isn't exactly in the middle of a crowd. We haven't seen Toa Orde or any of the TYQ Toa until now, so you wouldn't refer to him as anything at all. If nobody is around, there is no one to refer to you, and people won't be around because you're cut off from society. That aside, Toa, in addition to being a title for hero, is a reference to a state of being, like human references to "child" or "adult". Thus, the tendency would be to call someone Toa when they are a Toa, and to throw the moral implications of the title out.However, as I've explained above, most Toa that hang around to be referred to do match up to the moral implications of the title in addition to the state of being, which is why the words are synonymous with each other and haven't been divided. If there a large amount of rogue Toa in the near future, I could imagine the Matoran fashioning a word to refer to them.

[Protodite Karzahni]

I think when they're still the same species, it's alright to call them Toa. They'll no longer be referred to as "Brother" or "Sister" as Lhikan pointed out in LoMN, and if they get mutated, then they probably do lose the right to get called Toa, but when they're still in their original form, they're still a Toa. In the same way an evil Turaga will still be a Turaga, evidence being the Toa Metru referring to Dume as Turaga even after he betrayed them.Actually, that doesn't make sense. But my point still stands.

[toa kopaka4372]

Well, Toa is also a species title, so morality likely doesn't have to do with it.

[Toa of Nerds]

From what I understand, the actual species is "matoran" and toa are just a form of matoran. Kind of like a catapillar and a butterfly are of the same species but of different forms. Given that, I still imagine that you would call them toa. Toa is what they are, even if you have to use that word somewhat ironically.-don't touch my pocket protector

[P962]

The way I've seen it, Toa who break the code should lose the right to called a toa hero...

[ALVIS]

Personally, I support the derogatory terms "Toa-villain" and "tall Matoran" as mentioned above. XD I'll have to use those...

[Paleo]

I always thought that if a Toa breaks the Toa Code, that Toa does not necessarily have to renounce his or her. It's more of a personal thing, at least in my mind.On top of that, it's both a title and a species (Congratulations, your Matoran evolved into a Toa!). Even the self-renounced Toa Lesovikk is still a Toa to me, because he's tall, has a Kanohi, and has an elemental power.

Very good point. Also, in Lesovikk's case, I believe he simply dropped the "Toa" in his title and became simply "Lesovikk".

[Legolover-361]

We in our society can use the word "sir" with mock respect, so maybe it's like that

I think this makes a lot of sense. Of course, former Toa like Lesovikk can drop their title if they really want to, but just the title "Toa", minus all the respect such a title normally deserves, would make just as much sense.

[muzillu]

rogue Toa.

[Eragon3443]

What are toa called when they break the toa code and become unworthy to have the title of toa? They still appear to be toa, and can't be called matoran, so what would you call them?

Well, nidhiki became a Dark Hunter, and they called him just Nidhiki. Maybe they just shave off the "Toa" at the beginning?

I always thought that if a Toa breaks the Toa Code, that Toa does not necessarily have to renounce his or her. It's more of a personal thing, at least in my mind.On top of that, it's both a title and a species (Congratulations, your Matoran evolved into a Toa!). Even the self-renounced Toa Lesovikk is still a Toa to me, because he's tall, has a Kanohi, and has an elemental power.

Very good point. Also, in Lesovikk's case, I believe he simply dropped the "Toa" in his title and became simply "Lesovikk".

Because, in his eyes, he was unworthy of being a Toa. I think he was directly responsible for his Toa Team's destruction. Correct me If I'm wrong.

[Toa of Ice - 1987]

I call them a Rogue Hero or only by name...they don't really deserve such respect to be called by species or title.

[a goose]

I was under the impression, like a few others, that the species was still referred to as 'Toa', but instead of referring to them as 'Toa [example]', you would just call them '[example]', dropping the 'Toa'.@BioGio: AFAIK, Helryx is excluded, and Tuyet's betrayal took place before the Toa Code was made official.

[Makuta Matata]

Anti-Toa, maybe?Or Rogue Toa.

[BioGio]

I was under the impression, like a few others, that the species was still referred to as 'Toa', but instead of referring to them as 'Toa [example]', you would just call them '[example]', dropping the 'Toa'.@BioGio: AFAIK, Helryx is excluded, and Tuyet's betrayal took place before the Toa Code was made official.

Well, yeah, but Helryx willingly refuses to follow the Toa Code, so she would be most likely understood as a code-violator, etc. Also, I don't know that the Toa Code ever really was totally official.~ BioGio

[a goose]

I was under the impression Helryx kept the Toa title... :confused:When I said 'made official' I pretty much meant it got as official as it was ever going to get to being official, and was accepted by most Toa.

[VeoiTheRascal]

I was under the impression Helryx kept the Toa title... :confused:When I said 'made official' I pretty much meant it got as official as it was ever going to get to being official, and was accepted by most Toa.

Are you certain? I don't recall that the Toa Code was not official before Tuyet's betrayal. -VeOi ThE rAsCaL Edited January 30, 2012 by VeoiTheRascal