Shadowhawk Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 What does 'rock the vote' mean? BZPRPG profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltex Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) Rock the vote. Null should have always been abstention.I do agree; somehow, somewhere along the line (before I started hosting) it became "don't lynch anyone" instead. E: @shadowhawk: in this case, it means you want to switch null votes to abstentions. Edited October 22, 2014 by Voltex JOIN AETHERGARDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valendale Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Rock the Vote. True Valendale style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Hohenheim Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 What's the "Rock the Vote" count at this moment? Previously known as Aiwendil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowhawk Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Okay, I'll rock the vote as well. BZPRPG profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ehksidian Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 What's the "Rock the Vote" count at this moment?One away from success Steam name: Ehksidian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chro Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 ROCKTHEVOTE save not only their lives but their spirits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portalfig Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Oh. Well I guess if that is happening Switching back from null to 19. that makes 2 changes. I see none in the rules, so I assume you are going with two changes per person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quisoves Potoo Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) Oh. Well I guess if that is happening Switching back from null to 19. that makes 2 changes. I see none in the rules, so I assume you are going with two changes per person?That's not the impression I got from Voltex's "Vote switches used." That said, I'm beginning to think you're not the Detective. If you really knew who 19 was, you'd not have nulled.Suspiciously like an attempt to gain popular credibility, in my opinion. Edited October 22, 2014 by Quisoves Pugnat (Credit to Nik the Three for the banner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taka Nuvia Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Okaaay, so I think I caught up with everything now... nulling is now plain old abstaining? That's cool. My art collection topic - updated! (21/09/2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portalfig Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 First of all: carp seems that way. D= And, to be honest? It was. In order for my role to be effective I need to be able to convince the general population about me being the Detective, at least in a game like this. Thus, any way to increase my cred is good, because then you are more likely to actually prove that I am pro-village and wish to help. As well, I completely misread the situation. I didn't realize a Dark Hunter was dead, and that because of that us killing 19 first round is not as important as I first thought it was. Plus, let's face it. No other person has come up and said they were the detective, so if I was playing as a Mafian than the real Detective would have to either be completely incompetent or just not active at all. As well, I would have to, somehow, be absolutely positive that killing 19 was worth the Mafia losing a vote for possible bandwagons. If I outed myself as an mafian first round, then anywhere I vote would become Iocaine powder situation. There is very little reason why pro-village roles shouldn't release who they are, or at least the Detective. It might be for the better for the Turaga and the Medic to stay hidden, but idk. I am not either of those, so I don't know exactly what I would do. TL;DR: I would have to be part of a Mafia group willing to take such a big risk this early in the game if I was Mafian. Whereas, as the Detective, it benefits me more to say and actually be the detective than faking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quisoves Potoo Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 First of all: carp seems that way. D= And, to be honest? It was. In order for my role to be effective I need to be able to convince the general population about me being the Detective, at least in a game like this. Thus, any way to increase my cred is good, because then you are more likely to actually prove that I am pro-village and wish to help. As well, I completely misread the situation. I didn't realize a Dark Hunter was dead, and that because of that us killing 19 first round is not as important as I first thought it was. Plus, let's face it. No other person has come up and said they were the detective, so if I was playing as a Mafian than the real Detective would have to either be completely incompetent or just not active at all. As well, I would have to, somehow, be absolutely positive that killing 19 was worth the Mafia losing a vote for possible bandwagons. If I outed myself as an mafian first round, then anywhere I vote would become Iocaine powder situation. There is very little reason why pro-village roles shouldn't release who they are, or at least the Detective. It might be for the better for the Turaga and the Medic to stay hidden, but idk. I am not either of those, so I don't know exactly what I would do. TL;DR: I would have to be part of a Mafia group willing to take such a big risk this early in the game if I was Mafian. Whereas, as the Detective, it benefits me more to say and actually be the detective than faking it.The thing about this game is that, thanks to the numbers, claiming to be a certain role is not as risky as it would normally be. There's no necessary threat of hanging if other players disbelieve you. As for the absence of any other folks claiming to be the Detective, there are several probable explanations for that: The Detective is simply too cautious to reveal himself, even with the numbers system; the Detective has not been terribly active and has yet to see your claims of being a Detective; or perhaps, because you were the first to claim to be the role, the actual Detective doesn't want to risk discrediting himself by contesting your claim.As for voting 19, it's not as if that number has any necessary significance. You might simply want to prevent your comrade (or yourself) from being hanged. Sure, you'd probably get discredited after the hanging, but you'd have made the Village's job a mite more difficult, and you'd be in no immediate danger. Also, if you were the Detective, I don't see why you'd be so desperate to convince players of your credibility. And surely you'd want as many Mafiosi hanged as possible? (Credit to Nik the Three for the banner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chro Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 iunno manjust a lowly villager here 1 save not only their lives but their spirits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltex Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 I'm going with one vote change only this game. Gotta be smart about your moves. Suspects#5 - 3#12 - 2#19 - 3#24 - 2Null - 8 Vote Switches Used: Quisoves, Aiwendil, Random Gibberish Person JOIN AETHERGARDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chro Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Should I switch to 12 or 24 to get a triple hang? save not only their lives but their spirits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quisoves Potoo Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Should I switch to 12 or 24 to get a triple hang?The problem is that we don't know who the Turaga is. Perhaps he should step forward? It's not as if anyone will doubt him. He can give proof positive of his abilities. (Credit to Nik the Three for the banner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portalfig Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 The thing about this game is that, thanks to the numbers, claiming to be a certain role is not as risky as it would normally be. There's no necessary threat of hanging if other players disbelieve you. As for the absence of any other folks claiming to be the Detective, there are several probable explanations for that: The Detective is simply too cautious to reveal himself, even with the numbers system; the Detective has not been terribly active and has yet to see your claims of being a Detective; or perhaps, because you were the first to claim to be the role, the actual Detective doesn't want to risk discrediting himself by contesting your claim.As for voting 19, it's not as if that number has any necessary significance. You might simply want to prevent your comrade (or yourself) from being hanged. Sure, you'd probably get discredited after the hanging, but you'd have made the Village's job a mite more difficult, and you'd be in no immediate danger. Also, if you were the Detective, I don't see why you'd be so desperate to convince players of your credibility. And surely you'd want as many Mafiosi hanged as possible? First, addressing 19: I think the number is more significant than you think. =P It isn't as risky, and because of that the Detective is more powerful than normal. As well, you are right that the player won't necessarily be hanged, but it is still a fairly bad idea because that is a vote that the Mafia can't count on killing other's. So, yes, you are correct there. As well, yes, most of your reasons for another Detective not showing up make sense. The second one, about the detective not being active, I think isn't a problem. Because Iborw wants the game to go as fast as possible, and thus I have reason to suspect that he chose more active players for roles. Again, because of the numbers, that isn't as big a deal as it would be in another. Granted, this is based entirely how I suspect he set up the game, and I have absolutely no way to prove this. It is just what I would probably do if I were hosting a game I wished to make sure went really fast. =P Yes, it would give me a little bit, but again I just can't see a Mafian outing theirselves this early, especially first post after the scene. If there was a bandwagon towards the Mafian and the Mafia wished to protect them, then probably, but as a move from the getgo? Just doesn't sound like a good idea. Why I want the village to trust me? Because having a voting bloc in these games has proven time and again how effective it is. By proving the fact that I am pro-town, I could then direct the game more efficiently. Although, with that logic then a mafian could be sacrificed to get y'all to trust them then they can feed you lies all game. I believe somebody did that once, but I can't think who or when atm. The main reason why I backed off on 19 is because one mafian a scene is an alright turnover rate, and while it would be better to get as many as possible, I believed that keeping a double or triple hang from happening would be more important than anything else. TBH it was a mistake to change, especially because I can't change back (curses), and plus it seems multihangs wouldn't have happened with or without me changing. (I just want to mention how much fun this little debate is. This is super cool and makes me feel like such a logical player haha) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltex Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) Just so everyone is aware, I did decide all roles in this game by RNG.Well.One role was selected by me personally, but I guarantee that you will all assume it's the wrong player/role anyway. E: also, CHAPTER 3Tune in for the most brutal death yet. I normally wouldn't post this in a game topic (even thought they're sort of related), but several players in this game have been otherwise inactive in the Mafia games for awhile. Of those people, several also signed up to be characters in the epic linked above like way back in April/May, so I wouldn't be surprised if you've forgotten in that time. Wooo Anyway, voting closes in about 4.5 hours Edited October 22, 2014 by Voltex JOIN AETHERGARDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taka Nuvia Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 So for this game I'd planned to, for once, not always abstain in the first round. I have no idea who to vote for, so I figured I'd roll a die... can't say I'm happy with the result, but since I wouldn't be able to decide, anyway... Voting for #5. My art collection topic - updated! (21/09/2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Hohenheim Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 No! You could have gotten us a quad-hanging! Previously known as Aiwendil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quisoves Potoo Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) Yes, it would give me a little bit, but again I just can't see a Mafian outing theirselves this early, especially first post after the scene. If there was a bandwagon towards the Mafian and the Mafia wished to protect them, then probably, but as a move from the getgo? Just doesn't sound like a good idea.Normally, I'd agree. However, with one Mafioso killed and one discovered (possibly the same one, granted,) I can see the Mafia getting a little desperate. I agree that it would be risky, but panic is a great risk-inducer, and I speak from my experience in Spacejitsu in saying that things going terribly wrong for the Mafia so quickly is a great way of inducing panic among its ranks. Why I want the village to trust me? Because having a voting bloc in these games has proven time and again how effective it is. By proving the fact that I am pro-town, I could then direct the game more efficiently. Although, with that logic then a mafian could be sacrificed to get y'all to trust them then they can feed you lies all game. I believe somebody did that once, but I can't think who or when atm.The problem here is that voting Null with the rest of the town is hardly the greatest way of proving that you are loyal to it. It's a choice that any role might conceivably make, a Mafioso as easily as an Innocent. The Detective, however, if he knows the identity of a Mafioso, would, I imagine, gain more from sticking to his guns and saying "I told you so" after a non-Mafioso is lynched. The main reason why I backed off on 19 is because one mafian a scene is an alright turnover rate, and while it would be better to get as many as possible, I believed that keeping a double or triple hang from happening would be more important than anything else. TBH it was a mistake to change, especially because I can't change back (curses), and plus it seems multihangs wouldn't have happened with or without me changing.That mostly makes sense, but I'm still not sure that this is consistent with you being the Detective. Wouldn't a successful hanging of a Mafioso you identified solidify your credibility? Then you could prevent multi-hangings a lot more easily. And yes, this has been a fun debate. Thanks! Edited October 22, 2014 by Quisoves Pugnat (Credit to Nik the Three for the banner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltex Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 Suspects #5 - 4 #12 - 2 #19 - 3 #24 - 2 Null - 8 Vote Switches Used: Quisoves, Aiwendil, Random Gibberish Person JOIN AETHERGARDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unit#phntk#1 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) I vote switch from null to #19. ~Unit#phntk#1 Edited October 22, 2014 by Unit#phntk#1 BIONICLE MAFIA XLII: GRAVEYARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underscore Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 No idea what is happening now... But #12, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltex Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 Suspects #5 - 4 #12 - 3 #19 - 4 #24 - 2 Null - 7 Vote Switches Used: Quisoves, Aiwendil, Random Gibberish Person, Unit JOIN AETHERGARDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG18 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I vote #12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitoshura Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 switch from 5 to 24, quad hang if people stop nulling profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quisoves Potoo Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 If we're going to get a quad hang, the Turaga's going to have to Null, no? (Credit to Nik the Three for the banner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underscore Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chro Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Yes, unless they want to reveal themselves, in which case we can adjust votes accordingly save not only their lives but their spirits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quisoves Potoo Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Why?Because, as it stands, we seem to be in for a quad hang. Meaning that if the Turaga has voted (which he very probably has,) that someone is actually two votes ahead of everyone else. (Credit to Nik the Three for the banner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unit#phntk#1 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Suspects #5 - 3 #12 - 4 #19 - 4 #24 - 3 Null - 7 Vote Switches Used: Quisoves, Aiwendil, Random Gibberish Person, Unit, Gengar ~Unit#phntk#1 BIONICLE MAFIA XLII: GRAVEYARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chro Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Pardon me, but who is "Random Gibberish Person" save not only their lives but their spirits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quisoves Potoo Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Pardon me, but who is "Random Gibberish Person"That's Portalfig. (Credit to Nik the Three for the banner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underscore Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Because, as it stands, we seem to be in for a quad hang. Meaning that if the Turaga has voted (which he very probably has,) that someone is actually two votes ahead of everyone else. But if he nulls, then null would have even more votes, so no one would die? Am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quisoves Potoo Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 But if he nulls, then null would have even more votes, so no one would die? Am I missing something?Voltex gave us the option of "Rocking the Vote." Seven such choices would change Null votes from counting against lynching to merely abstaining. Seven players Rocked the Vote, and so here we are now. (Credit to Nik the Three for the banner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samus Aran-Bounty Hunter Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 We've rocked the votewhich means null is now abstaining vs. not killing someonewhich is wonderful, more bloodshed is absolutely perfect for this gamewhich is going dandywhich means yayZakaro 5 They call me Zakaro. You should too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltex Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 As it stands right now, if you null, you're basically wasting your vote.In future rounds, anyone who nulls shall have their vote designated to a suspect via RNG. Also, keep in mind that the Turaga's true votes (the extra ones) will not be counted on the public list. Suspects#5 - 3#12 - 3#19 - 4#24 - 3Null - 7 Vote Switches Used: Quisoves, Aiwendil, Random Gibberish Person, Unit, Gengar 2 JOIN AETHERGARDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chro Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Yeah, I'll actually vote later, but I'm okay with nulling first round save not only their lives but their spirits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-D-D-Ddude Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Switching to #5. Generation reeeeeeeeeeeee: If you see this, don't copy it into your signature. Get off your computer. Go outside! Go for a walk! Appreciate the beauty of the world while you're young and energetic and full of unwarranted enthusiasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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