otter Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Shadow is allowed for Hackers only.Could I have him as a double agent?Ya know...supposedly working for the hackers, but in contact with some of the good peoples? profiles i guess i'm a south american giant otter now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snelly Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Wait...we're allowed to have Shadow as an element?Uggh, if only Iranu would respond to my messages...Here's a better question, are we allowed to have characters with their light partially drained? Like Takanuva? Cause if so...I just might make a character like that... My Bzprpg Profiles, Ghosts of Bara Magna Skyra | Hakari | Oceanna | Taleen | Arisaka | Zanakra | Kaminari | Drakkar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relapse Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 No. :)It's both a morality thing (ever seen a good Toa of shadow?) and it would never be granted to someone suspected of treachery. BZPRPG ProfilesIC: "It comes with the job," Halfimus explained, "I'm not paid enough to give anything outside quick flavour descriptions." So pay me more AuRon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otter Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 No. :)It's both a morality thing (ever seen a good Toa of shadow?) and it would never be granted to someone suspected of treachery.Well, if you read some of Iranu's old academy epics, then yes, I have seen good Toa of Shadow.Could he at least be neutral without really caring either way? profiles i guess i'm a south american giant otter now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relapse Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 It was one of the rules I made before the game started, as Hacker leader, only Hackers can have the element. BZPRPG ProfilesIC: "It comes with the job," Halfimus explained, "I'm not paid enough to give anything outside quick flavour descriptions." So pay me more AuRon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otter Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 So no neutrality even?Uggh... profiles i guess i'm a south american giant otter now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snelly Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 It was one of the rules I made before the game started, as Hacker leader, only Hackers can have the element.I think...we could create a interesting plot...with a Toa slowly turning into a Toa of Shadow. (Like Takanuva almost did.) I volunteer to make a character like that! My Bzprpg Profiles, Ghosts of Bara Magna Skyra | Hakari | Oceanna | Taleen | Arisaka | Zanakra | Kaminari | Drakkar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Titan Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Lack of creativity is making my blood boil. http://www.bzpower.com/board/public/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif That is why I left the bzprpg.I have a 'good' Toa of Shadow that is a vigilante in Dreamland. But he does have emotional issues. But then again all of my characters do.People stop with your false dichotomies. Not everything is so black and white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otter Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Lack of creativity is making my blood boil. http://www.bzpower.com/board/public/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif That is why I left the bzprpg.I have a 'good' Toa of Shadow that is a vigilante in Dreamland. But he does have emotional issues. But then again all of my characters do.People stop with your false dichotomies. Not everything is so black and white.That's what I thought. profiles i guess i'm a south american giant otter now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relapse Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Calm down.For Pete's sake, I already said it was a rule. BZPRPG ProfilesIC: "It comes with the job," Halfimus explained, "I'm not paid enough to give anything outside quick flavour descriptions." So pay me more AuRon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krayzikk Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Not only is it a rule, meaning it's not exactly open for debate(Unless you want to debate it against each other for fun. It wouldn't change anything.), it wouldn't work. The last Toa of Shadow in game was Ryjak. Nobody is going to trust a Toa of Shadows for a while yet. On this eve, the thirtieth anniversary of that first colony, many are left to wonder; is the world fast approaching a breaking point? Breaking Point: An OTC Mecha RPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade. Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Nobody is going to trust a Toa of Shadows for a while yet.That doesn't really matter: I don't think people are all that racist in such a civilized society and even then, it's just another struggle for supposedly 'good' Toa of shadow. BZPRPG Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snelly Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Not only is it a rule, meaning it's not exactly open for debate(Unless you want to debate it against each other for fun. It wouldn't change anything.), it wouldn't work. The last Toa of Shadow in game was Ryjak. Nobody is going to trust a Toa of Shadows for a while yet.I still want to know if having a character with their light particularly drained is allowed or not. My Bzprpg Profiles, Ghosts of Bara Magna Skyra | Hakari | Oceanna | Taleen | Arisaka | Zanakra | Kaminari | Drakkar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otter Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Nobody is going to trust a Toa of Shadows for a while yet.That doesn't really matter: I don't think people are all that racist in such a civilized society and even then, it's just another struggle for supposedly 'good' Toa of shadow.I agree with this. Besides, he could always flip like Iranu ended up doing just before Chronicles of Corona Nui popped into place.Then again, the Academy was a prequel...but still, it could probably happen. profiles i guess i'm a south american giant otter now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a goose Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Question: Could a Toa of Shadow be EVIL, but not a hacker? [BZPRPG PROFILES] Nikarra - Kaelynn - Ronan - Muir - Donal - Aerus - Montague - Kira - Koura - Learu - Alteora - Fuacht - Caana - Nessen - Merrill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade. Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Aaaaand I'll be back in roughly 2 hours... BZPRPG Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toa Levacius Zehvor Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Okay, I'm just going to point out the irony here - KNI, your defense about the Steltians is the exact same one they're using.Though I'm on your side with this - they're Toa of Shadow. They have no inner moral light. That's a requirement to be a Toa of Shadow. You may have some morals or ethics, which means you can be Lawful, Netural, or Chaotic on one axis, but you're evil by the default fact that you don't have any good in you. That's why Makuta have shadow powers - they pushed out all of their inner light, just like the ones in the other universe pushed out their shadow (and had light powers).There's no racism debate over this. It's a fact.Now buzz off.-Toa Levacius Zehvor "I disapprove of what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Evelyn Beatrice Hall (often attributed to Voltaire) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krayzikk Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Okay, I'm just going to point out the irony here - KNI, your defense about the Steltians is the exact same one they're using.Though I'm on your side with this - they're Toa of Shadow. They have no inner moral light. That's a requirement to be a Toa of Shadow. You may have some morals or ethics, which means you can be Lawful, Netural, or Chaotic on one axis, but you're evil by the default fact that you don't have any good in you. That's why Makuta have shadow powers - they pushed out all of their inner light, just like the ones in the other universe pushed out their shadow (and had light powers).There's no racism debate over this. It's a fact.Now buzz off.-Toa Levacius Zehvor Quoted for truth. And to reiterate, Skakdi are often assumed to be evil by In-Game characters. Why wouldn't the same be true for Toa of Shadows?Oh, and Snelly? I recommend taking it up with either KNI or Tyler. On this eve, the thirtieth anniversary of that first colony, many are left to wonder; is the world fast approaching a breaking point? Breaking Point: An OTC Mecha RPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relapse Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 (edited) The Steltians had inner light, though I guess I see your point.Toa of shadow don't. They are evil by nature. That's a fact, and rule. There is no debate. Edited April 6, 2012 by Shadow Guardian BZPRPG ProfilesIC: "It comes with the job," Halfimus explained, "I'm not paid enough to give anything outside quick flavour descriptions." So pay me more AuRon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Titan Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 'Evil' and shadow have little to do with eachother. Takua was not completely 'good' and yet he was a Toa of Light because he was an Av-Matoran. And you can have synthetic Matoran here. So you could create a morally balanced Matoran of Shadow and then turn it into a Toa of Shadow and assuming it was raised around other 'good' characters it too would be 'good'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snelly Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 (edited) 'Evil' and shadow have little to do with eachother. Takua was not completely 'good' and yet he was a Toa of Light because he was an Av-Matoran. And you can have synthetic Matoran here. So you could create a morally balanced Matoran of Shadow and then turn it into a Toa of Shadow and assuming it was raised around other 'good' characters it too would be 'good'.Except unlike Toa of Light, Toa of Shadow cannot exist naturally, all Toa of Shadow, as far as I know, were formally a different element, but they had their inner light drained. So, that's why all Toa of Shadow are pretty much evil. Edited April 6, 2012 by Snelly the gelotophobic My Bzprpg Profiles, Ghosts of Bara Magna Skyra | Hakari | Oceanna | Taleen | Arisaka | Zanakra | Kaminari | Drakkar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toa Levacius Zehvor Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Evil and shadow do have to do with each other. It's inner light/darkness. Also, what Snelly said.-Toa Levacius Zehvor "I disapprove of what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Evelyn Beatrice Hall (often attributed to Voltaire) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relapse Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Plus it's a rule. ...What? You ignored it the first few times I said it. BZPRPG ProfilesIC: "It comes with the job," Halfimus explained, "I'm not paid enough to give anything outside quick flavour descriptions." So pay me more AuRon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wotz Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Toa of Shadow are evil, simply because the used to be regular Toa, but had their light drained or whatever, I dunno, but they were made that way by someone evil. Yes, things aren't black and white, but Toa of Shadow are pure evil because they have been manipulated and brainwashed and all that jazz.Takua was on the side of good, whether he obeyed their rules or not. He was created as an Av-Matoran, but as we saw in 2008, Shadow Matoran only exist by being made that way at a later date. The Shadow (sometimes referred to as Kra-Matoran) could only be brought to their senses by the Klakk's ability.Keep in mind that this is a fictional universe, and good and evil exist in a very clear manner. Characters in the Bionicle Universe very rarely have any kind of ambiguous alignment. Takanuva, despite being half shadow, was still on the side of good. D U N E W O L F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otter Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Don't forget, though, what Paragon said: What if you created a S-Matoran or S-Toa of shadow, but programmed them, if you will, to be morally good? The fact that we have synthetic people thrown in here throws that off a bit.And Shadow, if I had ignored it, wouldn't I have tried making a good-aligned Shadow Toa by now? profiles i guess i'm a south american giant otter now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed Blade Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Just one quick question, KNI, you keep saying it's a rule, yet it's not listed anywhere officially in the first posts of any of the topics, why is that? =PMore a notification than anything. The Pokemon TopicPokemon: Rise of the Rockets - Rise of the Rockets Discussion Topic - Rise of the Rockets Side Stories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relapse Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Ask Tyler. He's the one who put those together. :PI did notify him about it in the process of making the game. BZPRPG ProfilesIC: "It comes with the job," Halfimus explained, "I'm not paid enough to give anything outside quick flavour descriptions." So pay me more AuRon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otter Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 And we're back to the solution for everything now: Ask Tyler.Welp, it was good debating this with you folks. profiles i guess i'm a south american giant otter now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krayzikk Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 You could ask me, but I'd tell you to ask Tyler. On this eve, the thirtieth anniversary of that first colony, many are left to wonder; is the world fast approaching a breaking point? Breaking Point: An OTC Mecha RPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunflower Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Anyway.... Anyone in need of a giant steampunk robot?I haven't intoduced Rusty yet. - BZPRPG - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow pridak money gang Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 I say shadow can let you transport through shadows and can be spread in a shadow-leech way.Anyone who wants to join the CHI, run into Reet outside the cafeteria. If you want a high position, though, you have to be really hot and fall in love with Esao.In fairness, she's still a field agent. Esao's clueless.Also, Para-whatsyourface, you got smited by the Ignika. Please don't make me have to give you another strike.-Teezy ＳＡＹ ＩＴ ＯＮＥ ＭＯＲＥ ＴＩＭＥ ＴＥＬＬ ＭＥ ＷＨＡＴ ＩＳ ＯＮ ＹＯＵＲ ＭＩＮＤ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wotz Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 You might want to PM him. I don't think he read your post, or the discussion topic. This happened in the BZPRPG as well, I ended up PMing him. D U N E W O L F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow pridak money gang Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 Mmk, he's been PM'd.In the meantime, who's in the CHI cafeteria? I have something planned soon...-Teezy ＳＡＹ ＩＴ ＯＮＥ ＭＯＲＥ ＴＩＭＥ ＴＥＬＬ ＭＥ ＷＨＡＴ ＩＳ ＯＮ ＹＯＵＲ ＭＩＮＤ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunflower Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Mmk, he's been PM'd.In the meantime, who's in the CHI cafeteria? I have something planned soon...-TeezyMy new character Uuril is in there along with Krayzikk and Alfon. - BZPRPG - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow pridak money gang Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 Mmk, he's been PM'd.In the meantime, who's in the CHI cafeteria? I have something planned soon...-TeezyMy new character Uuril is in there along with Krayzikk and Alfon. Try not to let him leave. God forbid something happens to them.-Teezy ＳＡＹ ＩＴ ＯＮＥ ＭＯＲＥ ＴＩＭＥ ＴＥＬＬ ＭＥ ＷＨＡＴ ＩＳ ＯＮ ＹＯＵＲ ＭＩＮＤ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krayzikk Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Mmk, he's been PM'd.In the meantime, who's in the CHI cafeteria? I have something planned soon...-Teezy... Now I'm a little worried. My new character Uuril is in there along with Krayzikk and Alfon. Try not to let him leave. God forbid something happens to them.-Teezy On this eve, the thirtieth anniversary of that first colony, many are left to wonder; is the world fast approaching a breaking point? Breaking Point: An OTC Mecha RPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunflower Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Well, he's dieing to get back to work. :PLike, seriously, he shortened his break so that he could get back to work faster. - BZPRPG - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow pridak money gang Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 He might be dying if he goes back to work.-Teezy ＳＡＹ ＩＴ ＯＮＥ ＭＯＲＥ ＴＩＭＥ ＴＥＬＬ ＭＥ ＷＨＡＴ ＩＳ ＯＮ ＹＯＵＲ ＭＩＮＤ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otter Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Don't trust Tyler right now.Something terrible will happen, I know it. profiles i guess i'm a south american giant otter now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunflower Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 . . .Aw great. - BZPRPG - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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