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  1. If it weren't for the fact the producers of both Young Justice and Green Lantern TAS have both spoken out repeatedly about how they were told by CN that their shows would not be renewed because they were too popular with girls, and they refused to market to girls via toys or accessories, maybe the rest of your mansplaining comment would have a purpose. 1. Would you be willing to provide a source for these quotes? Or...you know...the quotes themselves? All Google is giving me is some quotes from Paul Dini, who didn't work on Young Justice and never explicitly mentions it, saying that A. the executives want to go more for hyperactive, "lowest common denominator" humor for younger audiences instead of thought-out, mature writing, which is far from uncommon in any forms of media, and B. there is indeed sexism from executives, which I acknowledge now probably did play into the decision more than I originally assumed. That said though, even if it did play into it, I still find it hard to believe that it would be a bigger factor than the bottom dollar, which, again, did not favor Young Justice compared to other animated shows. I'm more than happy to provide the source for my viewing numbers for Young Justice, Adventure Time, Legend of Korra's first season(I know that citing a Wikipedia page is laughable, but the Wikipedia page isn't as much the source in and of itself, as it is a gateway to the sources, which are linked at each viewing statistic.), My Little Pony, Teen Titans Go!, and the number of TV households in the US. I would like to correct myself on one point; I botched my statistics when citing the viewing numbers for My Little Pony. The 4 million number I cited is from monthly views, not weekly. However it's also worth noting that I also had the date wrong on that statistic; I said it was from the start of the second season, when actually it was for the end of the first season. That may not sound like a big difference, but as someone that was part of the fandom at that time, I can tell you right now that it exploded in size between seasons, so the number from the end of season 1 is not at all indicative of the numbers for any of the later seasons. By all indications, that number has done nothing but increase dramatically, so it's fair to say that as of the current season, it's far beyond the 4 million a month mark. I will give you that Beware The Batman, one of the two shows meant to replace Young Justice and The Green Lantern, has been a ratings flop so far. However that is not the case looking at the success of Teen Titans Go! since replacing, where it's almost equaled the numbers from Young Justice within one season. On top of that, the series averages for the other shows outpaced the series high for Young Justice. It's not like they canceled a wildly successful show purely out of bigoted motives. 2. Even if I am wrong about why Young Justice was canceled - which I very well may be. I think I'm right, but I've been wrong before - this does not change that the core point that the entry is making("Guys like my little pony and they get a documentary, girls like superheroes and they get canceled) is a completely broken comparison. One was an independently-funded decision by a group of fans, and the other was a decision from the network itself. They decided to make the documentary themselves, and paid for it themselves. In theory, there's nothing stopping fans of Young Justice from making a documentary of equal quality arguing why it should be brought back. It's not like the network itself made the documentary or something like that. A decision by a group of individuals to pay for a Kickstarter is a completely invalid parallel to a decision made by the executives of a television network. It would be like holding sports team X in contempt because they fired player X, and citing the fact that the fans of sports team Y privately funded a statue of player Y as an example of why firing player X was wrong. The two have no correlation at all. 3. What the heck is "mansplaining"?
    10 points
  2. This is a legitimate point, however I question the claim that it had "a huge following amongst the female demographic", simply because, again, the numbers say otherwise. I don't doubt for a second that a larger proportion of its fanbase was female than is the norm for a superhero cartoon, or doubt for a second that the toys flopping had something to do with a failure on the part of manufacturers to develop toy lines that catered to their audience(Though from what I can find online, they were also put at a pretty expensive pricepoint for what they were, so that likely contributed as well), but again, the problem with the claim that it had a large following is that the only number that correlates to something like that suggests otherwise. As for Paul Dini, while I value what he has to say on the industry as a whole - as well as the creator of some pretty awesome TV - you said that the quotes were both numerous, and from the producers of Young Justice. After five pages of google searching "young justice cancelled because of female audience", every quote I find is from Dini, not a one from Register, Weisman, or Vietti. Even if it's an industry veteran, there's a stark contrast between the experiences of the victim in-question, and the interpretation of a third-party on the subject. One is reliable testimony, and the other is correlation. If the reason that the creative vision of the producers and staff of Young Justice was quashed was primarily because of something like this, then I find it really hard to believe that they wouldn't have spoken out to back Dini when he's been so outspoken. I also disagree with the notion that it's on-par with where shows with its target demographic are supposed to be, because again, Teen Titans Go!, one of the shows meant to replace it, has almost reached the same numbers in its average as Young Justice reached with its peak. Adventure Time, which is again, another show on the same network, with a lot of merchandising, and a target audience somewhere around 8-14, has clearly outpaced it as well. Again, I think there is a legitimate point that CN's business plan with it failed to adapt, but that doesn't change that the ratings were lower than most other cartoons, even competing shows on CN like Adventure Time, which not only helps explain why it was canceled, but also casts a pretty large doubt on the idea that there was a huge following of Young Justice. DeeVee, I am sorry, I respect you both as a staff member and as an intelligent, well-spoken person, but you have no idea what you are talking about on this subject. The fact that every brony convention I have read about/heard of/etc. consistently allows children attending to ask voiceactors, producers, what-have-you, questions at Q&A panels before any bronies, that an entire community-driven project specifically to tag and clean up search results so that kids don't see the inappropriate stuff(We're far from finished, but considering it's been done about a half-dozen times, the improvement to the search results is very encouraging), just to name two off the top of my head, the idea that the majority of the community sees the target audience as unimportant, while true for the first year or two, hasn't been true for at least a year or two now. Are there still people like that? There are, but there are unreasonable morons in every community, every fanbase, every anything. As far as the show being catered to bronies, I'm sorry, but that's completely false. The "nods" to bronies or references are about as disruptive as a different color scheme for a character that just walks through the background of the scene, or three or so sentences of recorded dialog per season. It's about as destructive to the core of the show as Hey Arnold! having a joke about Woodstock, or Fairly Oddparents having President Clint Bushton almost nuking Russia(or for that matter a TRON-themed pilot), or The Powerpuff Girls having an entire episode loaded to the brim with Beatles references, or any other humor that is put in for the entertainment of either a periphery demographic or the parents of the target demographic. It's a concept that is hardly new, and in no way, shape, or form altering the show beyond changing the color pallette of a pony who only exists to give a startled reaction once, or changing "sure" to "eyup". The only real change in the way the show is structured or thought out was when there were changes in members of the staff occurred between seasons 1 and 2. When something like that happens, changes to the show are kind of inherent, the same way replacing a member of a band changes the sound of their music. You're also assuming that all bronies are guys, which is an offensive erasure of the female members of the fandom; of the 23 members of the show's club/group/whatever term you want to use at my campus, 12 of them are women. The same goes for my favorite artist amongst the fandom, as well as the majority of bloggers in the fandom that I follow, and one of the top posters and moderators for the pony thread of another forum I'm on. Guys definitely do make up a majority of the fanbase, and early-on there was a pretty strong "boys club" mentality, but that mentality is all but dead and gone for a vast majority of the fanbase, tends to be met with harsh internal criticism when it's seen, and acting like women are either nonexistent or next-to-nonexistent in the fandom is daft and offensive. I interact with these people on a daily basis. I read what they post, hear what they say, see how they act. I know who they are and what they're like, and while we certainly have our bad eggs just like any group, I can tell you right now that you're completely off-base with your characterization of the fanbase in-general. This I do agree on. It has fortunately improved over the past few years - Call of Duty and its online community of frat dudes and foul-mouthed 12-year olds aside, I've seen acceptance of women in gaming go nowhere but up in the online games and gaming communities I'm part of - but it's still an issue that needs addressing. There are still activities and things that are considered hardline masculine or feminine, and that's flat-out silly in the 21st century. Again, you are completely off-base with this. The notion that the majority of fan content is sexual or misogynistic in nature is beyond false, and while I'd like to get more detailed into the specifics of it, that kind of starts talking about inappropriate content, which is a no-no on BZP. Much more of it exists than should, but the notion that it's a large percentage is completely inaccurate. ...Invalidity of the "different thing" argument aside, that doesn't make any sense. The idea that only male-oriented projects get posted or funded on Kickstarter is ridiculous considering Anita Sarkeesian received nearly 30 times here requested amount for her Kickstarter project. Like I said before, there is nothing stopping the fans of Young Justice from making a documentary about why it should be brought back and why the reasons for its cancellation were unjust. I don't care even if a point is valid, you have to make a valid argument to back it up. If your conclusion is true but the framing of your argument is broken, then there's no reason you can't reframe it in a proper light, since again, the conclusion in this hypothetical is true, therefore there is proof of it, and the onus is on you to find it. The notion that a flawed argument is acceptable is ludicrous. Misinformation isn't acceptable just because it supports a noble truth.
    9 points
  3. Food $200 Data $150 Rent $800 Candles $3,600 Utility $150 someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this. my family is dying
    7 points
  4. spend less on candles
    6 points
  5. Oh there's violence in Putt Putt. Remember when that hippo slipped and ran in to those penguins and exploded and they all died?* Yeah *whats citation
    6 points
  6. Ever wanted to play a game where you click on stuff? Then this is the game for yoooooooou See a thing? Click on it!
    6 points
  7. I am officially a graduate of The Pennsylvania State University. ~|ET|~
    5 points
  8. ...Where did I use the term "brony insider"? Also how does being part of a group mean that I'm automatically unable to have an objective opinion of it? Just because I don't believe that it's a rampant issue doesn't mean I don't think it's an issue. I never said that the sexualization of the show isn't a problem? I felt like the fact that I mentioned a fan-organized effort that I am a part of specifically to tag it and keep it out of the reach of the target audience made it more or less clear that I'm not okay with it. I'm not saying that the NSFW content isn't a problem, what I'm saying is the notions that A. it's a core part of it that the majority of bronies take part in, and B. the fandom is ambivalent about it, are completely false. The portion of the fanbase that partakes in it is a small minority, and again, the fact there's an entire movement to tag the stuff and keep searches clean, should make it pretty clear that a lot of us agree it's a problem. As for rampant misogyny, I'm sorry, but everything I have seen does not suggest to me that it is as rampant an issue as you think it is. Again, a significant chunk of the bronies I know, both online and offline, are women, and I'm pretty sure they don't hate themselves. I've known maybe one person that was a brony and was misogynistic the entire time I've been part of the fandom, and not only did I make a point of calling him on it, he disappeared from the fandom as of a year or so ago. I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm saying that, again, they're a minority. ...And I feel like a broken record, but I am making a point of trying to change that. I actively tag inappropriate search results, I make a point of keeping it to myself unless people ask or are fans themselves - my avatar is a guitar-playing penguin, not a guitar-playing pony, and you can count on one hand how many times I've posted on my blog about it - I enjoy the show and the community but I don't let it define me, I call out misbehavior when I see it, I can go on for a while. I am far from alone in any of this. Aside from two or three members, every bit of this applies to everyone in the campus group, as well as virtually everyone in the fandom that I have experience with. I'm not sure exactly what more any of us are supposed to do? We cannot control the problematic members any more than any other group can control their stupid people. We can call them out for it, we can make an effort to clean things up, but at the end of the day, if they aren't doing anything illegal, and if online, are abiding by the rules of the website, what are we supposed to do if they elect not to listen? ...I never said it was about boys not being allowed to like girly things, I have no idea why you felt the need to address that as if I did. Just as well, it exists for everything. It exists for Pokémon, it exists for Adventure Time, it exists for Batman & Robin, it exists for The Avengers - especially Loki - it exists for Digimon, it exists for Harry Potter, it exists for Transformers, it exists for Frozen, it exists for other children's cartoons, it exists for every single fandom on the internet. That doesn't mean it should just be shrugged at and ignored, which is why, again, a lot of us are making an effort to change it, but acting like it's the cross to bear of a single fandom is flat-out ignorant. I'm not here to defend the fact that people make it because I don't enjoy it and I don't like it, I'm here to say that my opinion is far from the minority in the community. ...Where in the name of all that is holy did I ever say something like that? I have never posted about brony conventions on my blog, I have eleven posts in the MLP thread, none of which are about conventions if I recall properly, I have never said anything remotely close to that. Provide a link if you're going to make a claim like that, because unless I blacked out and posted something crazy last night that I am no longer able to locate, I never said anything of the sort, and If you're going to put words that extreme in my mouth, I'm not interested in having this discussion any further. Things I have called the documentary in the past three days: StupidA waste of moneyDumbA poor decisionProblematicSomething a lot of us are more embarrassed about than proud ofI'm not sure how much clearer you want me to make it that A. I don't like or agree with the majority of people in the documentary, and B. I'm far from alone in this regard. It's also worth noting that the documentary was made in 2011/12. Two or three years doesn't sound like much of a difference, but the show started in 2010. The documentary was shot early on in the fandom's existence, when most people were still insecure and felt like they had something to prove because of it. The fandom now compared to the fandom when the documentary was made is, aside from the original subject matter, almost completely different. As are most of the people that were in the fandom at the time; I can tell you now that I'm a very different person now about half a year from turning 21, than I was when I got into the show back in 2011 at 17. That goes for a lot of the members of the community; a lot of them started out in the 16-25 demographic, and especially in that age group, three or four years makes people dramatically more mature. It's matured both by a changing makeup of people and by, quite literally, the members of the fanbase maturing. I'm well aware of it, and I never enjoyed it personally. If you really want my take on all of that, I'll send you a PM explaining my thoughts on it, but I think both of us are well-aware of why discussing it here isn't exactly an option. I never said I don't value his words. I feel like the fact that I started my response specifically by saying I value what he has to say about the industry should make that pretty clear that I do. What I did say is that you said that there were numerous quotes from the staff of the show, which there were not. You told me that you were going to paint the fence blue, then painted it purple. If the staff of the show say "We got shut down because they didn't like having girls as fans", that's much different from an industry insider who, as much as he was part of DC and as influential as he is, never touched Young Justice, saying "There's a lot of sexist people in the industry." Considering I said "there is indeed sexism from executives, which I acknowledge now probably did play into the decision more than I originally assumed.", I don't think I'm denying that it played into it. I have also agreed that Cartoon Network mishandled the whole situation, and should have adapted their marketing and merchandising strategies to fit the audience. However to suggest that it was the sole reason, or the primary reason, the show was canceled, is something I think has no basis in facts. Also, I don't know what Young Justice being modeled on Dini's work has to do with anything. I'm not disputing the quality of it, because as I have said before, it was a genuinely good show. The artistic inspiration of it has nothing whatsoever to do with what the producers did or didn't say. Then explain to me what you meant by saying "When men liked a girls' show, they were able to fund a kickstarter campaign to pat themselves on the back.", because the only meaning I can extrapolate from that is that sexism would make it difficult or impossible for women to do something similar, so if that's not what you were saying, then I'm not getting what you're saying with that. Also, when you say that someone appropriated something and that it now caters to them instead of its original target, that pretty heavily implies that they've become the core demographic. And again, I am not denying that played into it, but I am denying that it was the central motive. A voice actor is not a member of the creative staff. They're a member of the talent that makes the product what it is, but they're not writing the script, they're not drawing the characters, they're not handling the creation of the ideas behind the show. Considering that's Tara's only career production credit, you can argue how much creative control she was given, simply because it's something she didn't have any prior experience with, when you have experienced producers elsewhere. As for Lauren Faust, the documentary was made after she left the production staff, so at that point she was no longer working on the show. As well, as mentioned by Scanty, she came onto the project after it was fully funded, so it's not like she backed it from the beginning and was a driving force behind the original idea. The original idea for the documentary and the funding for the documentary was all done by members of the fanbase, you can hardly blame them for hiring a producer that was already familiar with the subject matter and was suddenly available. How is an argument that relies on a fundamentally flawed comparison not using broken framing? And do you want to know why I defend the community so vocally? It's not just because, in my experience, the bad eggs are the minority. It's also because I have seen a disturbing amount of vitriol flung at people on a personal, individual level, over it. A friend of mine has been told multiple times on another website, alongside some very colorful language, that he should kill himself because he's a brony. It's worth noting that he has suffered from depression, so it goes without saying how much telling him something like that sets me off. Another friend of mine has been intentionally misgendered and called some very hateful, bigoted phrases over it. Another friend of mine actually had people track her IP and post her address online because she had the nerve to have the same opinions that I do on the subject matter. You can imagine how paranoid she is to express any opinion online now. Another friend that's in the on-campus group has been harassed and called a pedophile because he likes to wear shirts with the ponies on them. He served in Iraq and suffers from PTSD as a result of what happened over there, he watches the show because it helps him cope with the symptoms of it. The thing that helps keep him in control of himself and from reliving those nightmares gets him called a child predator. None of them have ever been part of the problematic area of the fandom. These are innocent people that are ridiculed, harassed, threatened, and intentionally triggered for no reason other than the community they identify with, and they're far from the only ones, they're just the ones I know personally as good friends. I get so riled up about all of this because there are other people like them who are attacked on an individual level by people who think that it's okay to threaten to kill someone over liking a TV show, who think it's acceptable to leak someone's personal information because they disagreed with them. I don't care what anyone in the fandom has done, telling someone recovering from borderline suicidal depression - or anyone for that matter - to go kill themselves, illegally tracking and leaking someone's personal information, intentionally misgendering someone, telling someone that the thing that provides them comfort and quite literally helps keep them sane makes them a pedophile, none of those are acceptable, especially over something as ultimately insignificant as liking a TV show. That's why I get so passionate about this, because I have seen the hurt, I have seen the way that it causes them true emotional distress, because they're genuinely good people who suddenly feel guilty because of the actions of others that they had no control over, and start to question something innocent that they love because of it. Again, while I think it's a significant minority, I make no effort to deny that the bad part of the fandom exists, because it does. But I defend the good part because innocent people get thrown an absolutely disgusting amount of vitriol and bile, and not on an impersonal, general level either, on an individual, one-on-one basis. I see the way these people react and the way these people hurt, and it makes me sick to my stomach.
    5 points
  9. ...you feel like you should be angry, but you are NOT? ...or when you feel that you should be ashamed of yourself, but you can't really be? ...or when you feel like you should be sad, but you're laughing and staring in morbid fascination instead? I feel that this is the worst feeling in the known universe. Actually feeling anger, shame, or sadness can be dealt with, that's something get over-able. But when you see what you think or what you did caused others to have misconceptionitis enforced by hurt, and then you want to blame yourself for what happened, because you did it, but can't. You still feel that you're right, and that you've learned from your mistakes, if you made any, and that people shouldn't take it so bad. So you feel numb, isolated, and very much alone.
    4 points
  10. Yes. Sexism is absolutely a thing and I don't doubt that it played a role in Cartoon Network's canning of a great show (I was late to the party, I watched it about a month ago). It also wouldn't be the first terrible decision they've made. This comparison, however, is poor. It ignores the numerous other variables, turning it solely into a "men get everything, women get nothing" scenario. That is indeed how our society is biased, but using this as an example of that does not work. It's broken logic, and dismissing criticisms of its flaws as "mansplaining" strikes me as more reactionary than rational. The cause behind the argument is good. The argument itself is not. And seeing someone argue for something I believe in with fallacious reasoning is disappointing.
    4 points
  11. My grandmother has been in and out of the ER for the past few weeks. She only lives about an hour away so at least one of us has been visiting and spending nights to help her recover from a series of problems exacerbated by incompetent physician’s assistants. She’s getting better, but slowly. The high school baseball season is ending soon. We had a fun awards night featuring a video where I spoke in the voice of Morgan Freeman featuring little kids going after a foul ball. We finished 20-3, and the conference tournament is this Saturday if there’s no rain. On a semi-related note, I was tricked into getting my hair gelled into a mohawk and sprayed blue. As if this wasn’t enough, I was given quite a startle at about 1:00 on Wednesday morning when I saw a bat flying around my head. I stormed out of the room and slammed the door shut. Wide awake from the commotion, my parents headed upstairs as we tried to find out how to coerce the bat out of my room so I could, y’know, sleep. My dad and I donned full fencing gear, gloves, and a toboggan underneath our helmets, and spent the next hour and a half trying to find the dang thing. We turned the room upside down as my mom was at the computer in the other room yelling instructions to us. We finally trapped the bat in a clear box at 2:30 in the morning. We still have no idea how it got into the house, as exploration of the attic later on revealed nothing. As if this wasn’t bad enough, today has featured a busted air conditioner (as soon as the 90-degree weather started up), a leaking pipe on the outside, and a seemingly overnight growth of algae in the pool - or at least the water that has accumulated on top of the cover. Ugh.
    3 points
  12. Actually from what I gathered about the doc, Tara Strong and Lauren Faust only got involved after the kickstarter already made over $60,000. Plus I hear they're both usually active in their fanbases (I believe Tara Strong was a supporter of the bring back Symbionic Titan crowd a while back). Just a little FYI.
    3 points
  13. kopaka have you been tanning no why So I did a Hero Factory Kopaka too. Still trying to figure out how to do Gali and Pohatu properly, since neither HF shells nor skeleton pieces come in tan or light blue. Plus Pohatu's torso setup makes it harder.
    3 points
  14. i lost it. this is stupidly hilarious. thank you for bringing this light into my life.
    3 points
  15. the xrays indicate you have a laughing skull in your stomach,. youre deathpreg. diont you dare give birth to that bonehead in my office
    3 points
  16. I don't recall what languages I ran this through, but most recent was German -> English. It was all worth it, because Martha Nui.
    2 points
  17. I'm sorry guys, but "Dental Honor Macuta" is definitely the best part. In fact, it sounds like a MOC just waiting to happen.
    2 points
  18. I agree that the correlation between the two events is shaky at the very best, since you're right that a privately-funded "documentary" has no reason to be compared to the decisions made by a giant corporation. CN's action shows run largely on toy sales, not necessarily ratings. As both CN and DC are owned by WB, DC cartoons are cheap to produce and air since it is basically in-house (though not to the same degree as Adventure Time and Regular Show, and there are a lot of hints that CN hates the corporate tie between them and DC and has been purposefully torpedoing DC products, but that is neither here nor there). Green Lantern didn't get toys at all, because retailers weren't certain consumers could differentiate between the show and the movie flop. But Green Lantern TAS had a huge following amongst the female demographic, and CN didn't know how to harness that through product because their entire operations is geared at boys right at or right before the cusp of puberty. Paul Dini has been very vocal on this topic, and he's done numerous interviews on geek podcasts about it. He talked to Kevin Smith about it at length in one. He's been pretty willing to talk on behalf of the Young Justice guys too. So the bottom dollar can be the reason the shows were not renewed, but the reason the bottom dollar was low was because CN refused to target toys and merchandise to a female fanbase that was outside their normal fanbase and marketing tactics. As such, neither shows' had production costs subsidized by product sales, so the bottom dollar was affected. The ratings were pretty on-target for where the shows had been projected by WB. On your number three- look it up. Regardless of how unequal of a comparison the two things are, there is a societal expectation here that no amount of "but these things are different" can explain away. When a large group of vocal men became interested in a little girl's show, they were catered to by the production company and became part of the target audience, and indeed the overall "brony" community sees themselves as more important than the under-represented group the show was conceived for. They have effectively appropriated it, which is my largest problem with the group. The men became part of the focus because regardless of "traditional masculinity movements", the truth is, if men want to like something non-masculine, society adapts and twists the definition of masculinity to accept it. "Oh, it's actually just men who are even more manly because they can accept pink and girly things without worrying, look at how secure they are. Much manly. Wow." Whereas when girls become interested in something "traditionally masculine" (such as superheroes, video games, geek culture in general), they are told the do not belong, that they are not supposed to be there, that this isn't for them and to stop trying to make it "about them" (even when they are not). This has manifested itself in the "fake geek girl" and "fake girl videogamer" memes. Even though girls and women have been a huge part of most of these movements since they began, they are treated as outsiders, objectified, etc. (So what a surprise that when men became interested in a little girl's show, the first thing a bunch of them did was sexualize and objectify the characters and rob them of so much of their female agency.) That was the real point behind this entry, and while the comparison on its face is a poor one, the societal reasons behind them are very real and very important.
    2 points
  19. ↑↑↑ U Are Now Cybernetically Engaged Via Intercom Uplink To The Realm Of TheBeerPope ↑↑↑
    2 points
  20. its the weekend baby. youknow what that means. its time to drink precisely one beer and call 911
    2 points
  21. The reason the "Cars" movies have gained so much popularity is becuase the cars speak to one another. You don't get that with real life cars
    2 points
  22. I spent a good long while trying to decide what my favorite part is. It cannot be done. Now let's take this and create a new mythos around the legendary Martha Nui described in the contract.
    2 points
  23. 1. Completely different networks. Comparing what two different networks do is apples and oranges to an absurd degree. 2. Young Justice got canceled because of low ratings, not because some corporate bigwigs went "Oh no girls like this that's not okay." It had about 1.9 million weekly viewers at time of cancellation, which sounds like a lot, but isn't even 1.75% of the TV households in the US. It's also worth noting that the number of viewers, after the hype of the first few episodes finishes, tends to either go nowhere but up or nowhere but down, so either after climbing for two seasons, it peaked and couldn't reach significant ratings, or it was on a downward spiral. By comparison, Regular Show has over 3 million, Adventure Time also floats around the 3 million mark. Teen Titans Go!, in one year, is I believe only 100,000 behind where Young Justice got in three. The pony show in-question was well over 4 million by season 2 . Young Justice, by comparison, just didn't deliver the same bang-for-buck that other cartoon shows were, and in the business world, if you can put another product on the shelf that will sell better and give you a bigger profit, you pull the unsuccessful product and replace it with the one that gives you money. If you honestly think that a hundred-million-dollar TV network cares about the gender of who is giving it money when it's getting a significant amount of money, you're out of your mind. 3. The brony documentary, while admittedly dumb, was crowd-funded by fans via Kickstarter, it's not like Time Warner bankrolled it and it was made by a major film studio. If people want to spend money on a documentary about themselves, then that's their decision. It's a stupid decision, but it's not like the show's creators decided to make it or something. You can't tell people they're not allowed to spend their money on something that doesn't tangibly harm anyone, and on top of that, comparing the decisions of members of a fanbase to make a documentary about themselves to the decisions made by a network to cancel a show makes about as much sense as blaming LA Clippers players for Donald Sterling being an old racist. The network doesn't have some sort of supreme control over their fans. You know what also has a decently sized female fanbase, and even a female protagonist? Legend of Korra. You know what was popular enough to get renewed for a second season and third season? Legend of Korra. Guess how many viewers per episode it had? Around 3.76 million. It's a numbers game, and Young Justice, like a lot of genuinely good, well-made shows, just didn't make economic sense. It's not some sort of conspiracy, it's simple economics. The notion that Young Justice got canceled because girls liked it, and not because it wasn't meeting economic expectations that another show could, makes about as much sense as the "Paul is dead" conspiracy.
    2 points
  24. Go home Steam, you're drunk.
    1 point
  25. I don't know if you've ever listened to the vocals only version of This Day Aria, but I personally enjoy it almost as much as the original song. Britt McKillip has an utterly gorgeous voice that I would steal from her throat if only the power were mine.
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  26. I'm sorry, but the words of a "brony insider" who "interacts with them daily" is not a valid point of view from which to stand and nobly defend the movement. I have zero problems with bronies on an individual level- but you cannot stand here and claim that there is not a problem with sexualizing a young girls' show, with attempting to make mainstream the takeover and appropriation of something that was created for a often-ignored demographic, with the rampant misogyny promoted by the "herd". You can claim "not all bronies are like that" and, well, no duh. But the movement as a whole is often heralded the most loudly by those groups, and the onus is not on me to explain why that is problematic- it is on you and the community you are trying to represent to change that. Bronies, as a movement, as a group, whatever, are deeply problematic. There are reasons they are spoken of so negatively, and it has nothing to do with the idea that guys can't like girl things. It has everything to do with a large segment of your community fetishizing a young girls' cartoon, being unable to keep said works in appropriately tagged, hidden, or otherwise safe environment. I do not care if there is a big project to hide that work- that it needs such a group project in the first place is entirely the problem. I applaud you for doing that kind of work- it is, after all, about time the brony community admitted they have a problem with this, but seriously, that this work even exists is... seriously, why does anyone have to explain this??? From there, you can hem and haw all you want about the goodness of the group because they allow kids to speak first at conventions. In another entry, you had bronies saying that kids shouldn't be at these conventions to begin with, and parents were foolish for allowing their children around such things. But here you talk about kids being welcome and invited and excited- pick one, you can't have both. You talk about the erasure of female fans (the "pegasisters"), but the documentary (which I have seen, by the way) does that itself. Two women interviewed- and one only exists to basically pimp her fiance's involvement in the fandom. And that doesn't even begin to touch on the big blowup over that one blog being shut down. You know which one. As for the Young Justice and Green Lantern stuff, Paul Dini has worked on almost every DC show outside of Young Justice for almost two decades. He's won Emmys and numerous awards. He is as industry-insider as it gets when it comes to animation, especially when it comes to superhero shows. While I'll concede he didn't work on Young Justice, the show was clearly modeled after work he and Bruce Timm did on the mainstream DCAU, and his involvement with Green Lantern TAS, and with DC as a whole, speaks volumes to... everyone in every article on the subject except for you, apparently. (Also, to say Young Justice's ratings were bad on their own ignores entirely the way CN handled the airing of the show itself. A year and a half in to the show's running, and they had not finished airing the original 26 episodes, after pausing to air their own in-house shows instead. That's not how you get ratings.) I never said "only male projects get funded on kickstarter" (that would be silly considering the handful of successful feminist and female-produced content projects I've contributed to myself). Narrow the argument back to the core: when men (bronies) became vocal supporters of something aimed at young girls, the show adapted and made them part of the demographic (I never said they became the core demographic, but as was said in another blog entry by another vocal brony, they are indeed a target demographic that gets catered to intensely). When a large vocal female fanbase developed for YJ and GL:TAS, CN execs rationalized that women don't buy product, so they refused to invite those persons into the fandom, and the lack of toy sales was enough to torpedo both shows, as merchandizing supplements the show costs. The bias really runs up to the executive level on both counts. One decided "hey, having dudes like this is good for business, let's run with it" the other decided "hey, having girls so into this is bad for our business, we don't want that." (Also, the MLP documentary was partly produced by Tara Strong and Lauren Faust, and so the whole "entirely fan-produced and backed" thing isn't true enough to merit the push you're making.) You're being disingenuous. The framing of this argument isn't broken- your intent is to protect the group you belong to at all costs. I will gladly admit that it is nice to see a brony who does indeed admit to the problematic areas of the community, but the "not all bronies" thing reads just like the "not all men" meme, and like those who proclaim "but not all men are like that!" it misses the point and just invalidates the feelings of those hurt by that group's actions, and the inactions of those affiliated with that group who won't stand up to it. So kudos to you for taking that stand. I really really mean that. But that doesn't go far enough in acknowledging the misogynistic, ableist, homophobic, etc problems with members of the community.
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  27. Poor Martha Nui and his asthma problems. I know how it feels, bro. Also loving that random Arabic at the end.
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  28. I've actually found that, if you're not ambidextrous, being left-handed is the next best thing. Because it is a "right-handed world," I think left-handers tend to be better with their un-dominant hand, from having to use it more often with right-handed tools. Though I don't have actual proof.
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  29. Gosh I hated writing in those. Don't believe what all those nay-sayers are nay saying. Being a lefty rocks, and makes you that much more important than anybody else, like righties. Or, y'know, they'll burn you at the stake for being possessed or something 'cause you don't have the same primary hand that they have. It can honestly go either way.
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  30. Albeit the only puzzle is USE GUN ON MAN
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  31. There's a deep, philosophical meaning here, I can feel it.
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  32. The jenpříběh N. I literally cannot breathe.
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  33. ERMAHGERD, THEY FINALLY LAUNCHED THE ROCKET TO THE MOON! (If that is what is going on in that gif I have no idea) Jirachi shall be mine!
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  34. what. what the lijapotea WHAT DOES THIS MEAN
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  35. Have experienced; me no likey. Which reminds me - I need a nap...
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  36. Putt Putt is for serious gamers only.
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  37. You're clearly underestimating how serious a game of putt-putt can get.
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  38. Everyone needs to take a deep breath here and calm down. To help with that, I'm locking this entry. Also a reminder that image-only comments are not allowed and will be deleted.
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  39. Somewhere, the Real Paul McCartney, the Real Michael Jackson and the Real Tupac Shakur are working. They make fantastic music together. Elvis doesn't do #####
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  40. This is a prime example of why you should never ask for puns. Making puns this bad should be considered a sine. To sum up, this won't end well. -
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  41. I believe Danny Phantom had a huge college age female following despite being aimed at boys. It also lasted for three years.
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  42. I'm just gonna leave this here... Takuma Nuva
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  43. Screw you people with the "not all men" images. I'm getting really sick of this and all the other social justice junk I have to deal with. I consider myself to be fairly progressive, and I'm tired of being lumped in with horrible people because of the shows I like, the people I associate with, or, god forbid, the sex I was born with. Some people may think that turnabout is fair play, but I dealt with tons of bullying, stereotyping, and hate growing up (despite being, by most relevant measures, part of a privileged class), and I just don't see how turning that hatred back on people who mistreated me helps anything (especially through broad stereotypes that affect more than just the people who are actually to blame). I'm just about ready to give up on Tumblr, and I'd hate to have to do the same with BZPower. But continuously being told that my problems aren't valid just because I'm not gay or female or part of a designated minority wears me down.
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  44. i think youre forgetting one
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  45. I'm not denying the fact that the stuff you're talking about is vile and repulsive. I completely agree. However, this is the case with everything on the internet and, no, children should not even be using the internet without adult supervision or at the very least some kind of capable filtering software/parental controls. Anyone who thinks otherwise is irrefutably a moron. This also goes hand in hand somewhat with your comment about the convention(s). If a parent is going to bring their young children to a convention they should probably be sure of just what it is they're getting themselves and their children into. Now, granted, even I'll admit that it's not exactly inexcusable for a parent to not consider such given the subject matter. There are, in fact, still a lot of people who've never even heard about this whole brony thing yet. People who frequent the internet, at that. I know this because I've met them personally in my IT courses. I can understand where you're coming from and I don't blame you. When it comes down to it, though, it isn't all that much more polluted than any other given fandom out there. It just stands out more because a) I dare say it is currently one of the largest fandoms out there, b) it's against the societal norm, and c) its bar for "mature content" is set extremely low. This sort of stuff happens just the same with, say, an M-rated video game series. In such a case, though, there's already blood/gore/whathaveyou so it isn't such a large leap to get to the "unsavory interpretations". Takuma Nuva Ok, but here's the thing: the vast majority of fandoms do an extremely good job of keeping things that are NSFW, gore, etc. (things that the MLP target demographic should not be seeing), hidden and hidden well. I just did two google searches with safe search on (of "My Little Pony", "Applejack", and "Pinkie Pie"), and a second search on deviantArt with safe search on, and within seconds I found nudity, gore, and multiple other things that would be considered NSFW and highly inappropriate for a child to see under any circumstances. To check this to see if other things came up with other fandoms on google, I also did searches for "superhero", "Spiderman", "The LEGO Movie", "Ninjago", and "Sesame Street". All things are things that the average 4-8 year old would be interested in/my 3-4 year old students are raving about at the moment. None of those came up with anything that would be even remotely inappropriate for a 4-8 year old to see. The My Little Pony fandom does not do a good job at keeping their inappropriate content away from the target demographic. If a parent takes their child to a convention that is dedicated to a line of children's toys, they should not have to be on the constant lookout for inappropriate content. They should be able to take their children to a safe place where they can enjoy something they love.
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  46. Thanks for all the responses guys, it certainly means a lot. <3 I'll take all of your advice into consideration. Sorry I don't have much more of an in-depth response, but it's something I need to think about.
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