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The return of hyper-detailed pieces will make Bionicle 2016 GOAT.

 

GOAT? As in this Goat? Because if that's the case, than BIONICLE 2016 is going to be legendary!

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The return of hyper-detailed pieces will make Bionicle 2016 GOAT.

 

 

did GOAT get a meaning that is completely opposite of what it usually means at some point?

I don't even know what GOAT means, I was just making a joke before.

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The return of hyper-detailed pieces will make Bionicle 2016 GOAT.

 

did GOAT get a meaning that is completely opposite of what it usually means at some point?

I don't even know what GOAT means, I was just making a joke before.

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But that hasn't happened, all of the pieces we've seen are not really specialised, you can use them with any set.

Hate to be the party pooper, but we haven't seen these pieces yet...

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I really wish everyone would stop trying to play join the dots with Gen 1 and Gen 2 though,it seems there's a couple new threads everyday and often they're duplicates of already existing conversations! Or simply parallel them with a slightly new 'twist'! Gen 2 is NEW, it is NOT Gen 1 and it is NOT a continuation. Outside of the characters we already have I personally don't want to see ANY old characters return. I think it will cheapen the whole experience to those of us familiar with the original line...

 

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But that hasn't happened, all of the pieces we've seen are not really specialised, you can use them with any set.

Hate to be the party pooper, but we haven't seen these pieces yet...

 

Um, we HAVE seen several of the new pieces in the Lego mag spread. The new torso piece is pretty obscured, but the new armor and add-on are clearly visable on Tahu's legs, and all three fellows clearly have some special stuff in their torsos.

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Some things I've noticed. The back of Tahu's and Umarak's  torsos have that same armor piece that Tahu wears on his thighs.

 

So, the bigger figures have one with the top facing backwards, and beasts like Ikir use it as a chest place, facing forward. I can only assume that this is where the connection is made.

 

Heck, on Umarak, you can SEE blue pins (the 3-long kind) sticking out, which can only mean HE'S able to combine with the animals too.

 

So that's his game... he captures them with his bear-traps, then he steals their power by forcing them to join with him. That's all kinds of wrong.

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But that hasn't happened, all of the pieces we've seen are not really specialised, you can use them with any set.

 

Hate to be the party pooper, but we haven't seen these pieces yet...

Um, we HAVE seen several of the new pieces in the Lego mag spread. The new torso piece is pretty obscured, but the new armor and add-on are clearly visable on Tahu's legs, and all three fellows clearly have some special stuff in their torsos.
They aren't specialised though, you can use the leg armour on any CCBS limb of the same size. I can imagine the torso armour attaching any differently from the SW torsos and the build is mostly Technic. Again, you can do this with any CCBS set.
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Some things I've noticed. The back of Tahu's and Umarak's  torsos have that same armor piece that Tahu wears on his thighs.

 

So, the bigger figures have one with the top facing backwards, and beasts like Ikir use it as a chest place, facing forward. I can only assume that this is where the connection is made.

 

Heck, on Umarak, you can SEE blue pins (the 3-long kind) sticking out, which can only mean HE'S able to combine with the animals too.

 

So that's his game... he captures them with his bear-traps, then he steals their power by forcing them to join with him. That's all kinds of wrong.

 

If he were to return for the summer wave, hypothetically speaking, maybe he could draw power from the elemental creatures to become stronger. I think that would be quite interesting to see.

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Story speculation:

The catalog page says that Ekimu sends the toa to unite with the creatures so that they are powerful enough to recover the MoCo.

 

Aside the marketing aspect, why?

 

What would happen if they went to get the MoCo in their creature-less forms?

 

Also, why does Umarak wants to enslave the creatures? Does he know about the MOUP and wants to get it for himself?

 

Hopefully we get these questions answered in next year's animations...

...If we get any animations. JtO could be the 2016 animations, but we still don't know.

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I'm really excited for the new Toa Uniters, Creatures, and Umarak! :D  Personally, I'll be picking them up all I find at once (just like this year :)).  I'll be opening Tahu first, as is my tradition. :P

 

Anyway, I really hope that we get online animations next year!  I really liked the 2015 animations. :D

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I think that us as fans should be able to discuss if there is a connection to G1 without being ridiculed. We aren't hurting the people who don't want there to be a connection, so why do they care?

It's not a "if there is/don't want" it's a "confirmed isn't/do want". You're all welcome to speculate all you want (and we have a forum for it). But it's tiring because we had the conversation to death for the last year, and the NYCC panel attempted to put that to rest, the author of the shorts did as well, but fans won't let it go for some reason. It's annoying because it derails legitimate conversation.

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It doesn't derail anything, if you're all on the same topic, and all with the same mindset and notions than it doesn't do any harm.

 

To theorize is all I want to do when it comes to the continuity of BIONICLE.

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It doesn't derail anything, if you're all on the same topic, and all with the same mindset and notions than it doesn't do any harm.

 

To theorize is all I want to do when it comes to the continuity of BIONICLE.

The fact that you consider it "theorizing" when we know for a fact that it isn't the case exemplifies the problem. There are people who honestly believe that there is a connection due to taking those "theories" seriously, despite the overwhelming evidence against them. There's nothing wrong with headcanoning that the Toa are the original G1 Toa, but when you don't actually label it as headcanon, but rather as a legitimate theory, it only fuels the ongoing confusion that really should have been dispelled completely by this point.

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@Lyichir Does it really matter what people think though? I mean, it's not like a single misconception about the chronological canon of a toyline is going to prevent other human beings from performing the tasks necessary for life such as eating and drinking. Both parties need to learn how to tolerate each other. Yes, some people wish to be ignorant and believe in something that isn't going to happen. That doesn't mean we commence to public shaming and scrutiny. We're here to talk about BIONICLE 2016. If people truly believe that the Nuva symbols mean that these are the original Toa Nuva, more power to them. If people don't? That's fine as well. There's a level of civility and peace that should be kept no matter what your opinion is. No one should be attacked just because they believe BIONICLE is going a certain way story wise. Isn't a forum filled with LEGO fans supposed to be accepting and friendly? We're not going to get an influx of new fans if their ideas are bashed just because they're "illogical". 

 

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It doesn't derail anything, if you're all on the same topic, and all with the same mindset and notions than it doesn't do any harm.

To theorize is all I want to do when it comes to the continuity of BIONICLE.

The fact that you consider it "theorizing" when we know for a fact that it isn't the case exemplifies the problem. There are people who honestly believe that there is a connection due to taking those "theories" seriously, despite the overwhelming evidence against them. There's nothing wrong with headcanoning that the Toa are the original G1 Toa, but when you don't actually label it as headcanon, but rather as a legitimate theory, it only fuels the ongoing confusion that really should have been dispelled completely by this point.

And what disproves any of the connection theories wrong? Frankly I've never seen or heard a single piece of evidence that disproves such theories wrong. And on the thing of the toa being the ones from the old universe, that and of itself is a connection to G1, no matter your excuse, the world may be different, but the Toa aren't. There are many things that connect these Toa to G1, one that I can think of off the top of my head are Lewa's shoulder spikes, they look suspiciously similar to the ones he had in 2008, you could say that they based that detail off of the older models of him (which wouldn't be unheard of), but why that spacific detail? It's not very memorable, unlike say his axe, air katanas, or mask. Also the thing of the golden armor fascinates me, why is it there? Why would it be gold? And why gold? Tahu, Kopaka, and Onua's masks look the most like they did in 2001, whilst the others look sort of nuva-esk. But why would only Tahu, Kopaka, and Onua have gold? Frankly gold doesn't really fit the Element of Ice, nor earth, or even fire really, though it fits fire better than the others, it still doesn't make sence to me, and also why the height differences of the bigger sets? Sure, it is used to distinguish them more, which is all fine and good, but why the ones with gold? It doesn't make much sense to me.

 

Not everything is making sense, and the more and more I look into it, next years seems to bring more questions than answers regarding the toa, the creatures, and "One"

 

As far as examples go, there are many more than just those that connect them to G1, whilst the world is new, it is certainly a possibility that these are the same characters, thus making this new story sort of a half-continuation, in the sense of the Toa heroes.

 

 

And addressing the fact that people will take theories as fact, it's unfortunately just human nature to do so, as it were. The way to avoid that, is to address it outright in a conversation. Otherwise, it won't end well for anyone.

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I'm going to be blunt here: the new team stated unequivocally that this wasn't a sequel or continuation when G2 was announced.

 

 

 

 

But that hasn't happened, all of the pieces we've seen are not really specialised, you can use them with any set.

Hate to be the party pooper, but we haven't seen these pieces yet...

Um, we HAVE seen several of the new pieces in the Lego mag spread. The new torso piece is pretty obscured, but the new armor and add-on are clearly visable on Tahu's legs, and all three fellows clearly have some special stuff in their torsos.

So we've seen them on paper in a CGI rendering. We still haven't seen the parts. A picture is not the same as actually seeing them in physical presence. I could send you pictures of my hairy dog. Doesn't make you qualified to say if my dog has a lung problem.

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So we've seen them on paper in a CGI rendering. We still haven't seen the parts. A picture is not the same as actually seeing them in physical presence. I could send you pictures of my hairy dog. Doesn't make you qualified to say if my dog has a lung problem.

 

So? All the connection points of the part are clearly visible, I think that's enough to make a general assumption on the usability of the part.

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Lyichir talked about the Nuva Symbols on Kopaka, so I guess this is okay?(This is not leaked information. I got to see the presentation at brickfair on sunday privately. I believe Lyichir was also in the room.)

Kopaka seems to have some Vorox/Skrall armor on his shoulders.

Also, the piece used for Tahu's upper leg is also used on the creature torsos to connect to their respective toa.

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Lyichir talked about the Nuva Symbols on Kopaka, so I guess this is okay?(This is not leaked information. I got to see the presentation at brickfair on sunday privately. I believe Lyichir was also in the room.)

Kopaka seems to have some Vorox/Skrall armor on his shoulders.

Also, the piece used for Tahu's upper leg is also used on the creature torsos to connect to their respective toa.

I can confirm this member's claims!

 

Other interesting info I hadn't shared here yet:

 

-Kopaka has Earth Blue (Metru Blue) lower arms. This is the first time CCBS shells have appeared in that color.

-Kopaka's sword uses what looks like the same hilt piece used for Kylo Ren's lightsaber, but with System "longhorn steer" horns instead of the 3.2 mm bars.

-In case anyone still isn't aware, Kopaka and his creature will be packaged as a larger combo set, rather than individually.

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Can I just take a moment to reflect on just how badly Umarak and Tahu are posed?......

 

Anyway, I'm not completely sold on the way these figures handle waist articulation - I'm worried that the gear on their lower back might look even clunkier than the gears on the 2015 Toa. 

 

Happy to hear about Metru blue CCBS shells - and also about the reuse of Vorok/Skrall armour, which really fits this new more technic-y look the sets have got going for them.

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Can I just take a moment to reflect on just how badly Umarak and Tahu are posed?......

This is pretty much par for the course when it comes to LEGO Club Magazine renders that aren't sourced from other places like the website or packaging. I remember back in G1 there was some two-page spread of a fight scene between the Toa Mahri and Barraki that was likewise a bit sloppy-looking compared to other promo images and key visuals for the year.

 

You do get rendering errors on some packaging shots still, like this year's Tahu set having one of its shoulder shells attached at the wrong point, but a lot more attention appears to be put towards their composition so they make the best possible first impression.

 

Anyway, reporting back from BFNJ, I can confirm Kopaka looks really cool. The Technic shell used on his legs is actually pretty consistent with the lower (mechanical) half of the new "crystal" add-on, and with the pistons on the Vorox armor, for that matter. Though I'm less thrilled with Tahu's use of both of this year's add-ons in conjunction with these new elements.

 

I'm not sure just what to think of the new torso shell, since like the Star Wars torso shell, it has very few visible connection points, yet an even more specialized texture. The printing looks nice, though.

 

Kopaka's new mask looks cool, and I can't wait to see the other new masks in more detail. The new sword element looks nice too, although Kopaka's secondary weapon (a combination shooter and shield that uses a Technic panel as the foundation for the shield) is not as nice as this year's larger shield, IMO.

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I actually think the colors and posing in the Umarak/Tahu magazine scan are a great deal better than what we've come to expect.

 

Anyone remember these images of this year's sets?

 

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/aazz09/bionicle2015/catalog/tumblr_nh9t1nipt61sy13izo5_1280.jpg

 

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I actually think the colors and posing in the Umarak/Tahu magazine scan are a great deal better than what we've come to expect.

 

Anyone remember these images of this year's sets?

 

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/aazz09/bionicle2015/catalog/tumblr_nh9t1nipt61sy13izo5_1280.jpg

 

http://40.media.tumblr.com/0198ef75f42492814dd3098945825165/tumblr_nqs2o5fOaz1si6frro1_1280.jpg

 

The thing is, I actually quite like the posing of the protectors in that scan, but I agree that the colours are all off. But Tahu here looks like he's just tripped over himself, and Umarak is clumsily trying to break his fall... (And I also realize that this sort of bad posing is standard, but that doesn't mean we should just forgive it :P)

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So we've seen them on paper in a CGI rendering. We still haven't seen the parts. A picture is not the same as actually seeing them in physical presence. I could send you pictures of my hairy dog. Doesn't make you qualified to say if my dog has a lung problem.

So? All the connection points of the part are clearly visible, I think that's enough to make a general assumption on the usability of the part.

Ehh... I'd not make any claims as to the usability or function of the part without instructions or a physical model.

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I really wish everyone would stop trying to play join the dots with Gen 1 and Gen 2 though,it seems there's a couple new threads everyday and often they're duplicates of already existing conversations! Or simply parallel them with a slightly new 'twist'! Gen 2 is NEW, it is NOT Gen 1 and it is NOT a continuation. Outside of the characters we already have I personally don't want to see ANY old characters return. I think it will cheapen the whole experience to those of us familiar with the original line...

 

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Umarak is pretty awesome looking in my opinion. Due to his horns and the fact he's "the hunter", I kind of wonder if he might be based off of Herne the Hunter, from English folklore.

 

As for the pin-gear thing, it sort of reminds me of the gear-like things that were in the Bohrok. Maybe they'll have a similar function?

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I hope I get big feet this wave. The waist function brings me hope for the kicking function I used to have.

A waist-spinning function and a kicking function are two very different things... unless you're trying for some sort of flying hurricane kick, I can't see how this function could effectively simulate kicking at all, since you'd either be rotating the entire upper body or the entire lower body.

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Am I the only one that thinks the old kicking function was impractical and done only so that Pohatu HAD a function of some sort for the sake of being different? Seriously, the balance issues outweigh the pros. If people could look past their nostalgia, they'd see that having the kicking function again would just hinder the set using it. 

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I liked the kicking function in that it was different and made sense with the character. But yes, it was super awkward to pose (as were the early sets in general).

I suspect that any reintegration of it would feature a better friction system like we saw in the first wave. That said, friction would make it pretty ineffective, so I doubt we'd see it anytime soon.

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@Iruni Nuva Don't get me wrong, I loved Pohatu and the kicking f;unction for what they were, but integrating a kicking function like that causes the build to get the short end of the stick. Rather than creating a function that works along with a build, you're forced to create the build around the function which leads to some really weird proportions and other issues. I like functions, but not when they hamper the overall build of a set. 

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@Iruni Nuva Don't get me wrong, I loved Pohatu and the kicking f;unction for what they were, but integrating a kicking function like that causes the build to get the short end of the stick. Rather than creating a function that works along with a build, you're forced to create the build around the function which leads to some really weird proportions and other issues. I like functions, but not when they hamper the overall build of a set. 

 

I think the weird proportions of the original Pohatu set were a little more excusable back then since sets in general stuck less to humanoid proportions. The Turaga were extremely similar in terms of construction, but even the slight build variations they had led to some real goofiness, like Nokama's extremely short legs and extremely long arms. By contrast, the proportions of the new Protectors and Toa mostly just vary based on their height and the width of their shoulders — things that might be expected to vary on a real human, and certainly on a cartoon human.

 

Around 2004 is when you first saw Bionicle start to shift towards more standardized humanoid physiques for Toa and villagers, perhaps to better reflect the more controlled proportions the characters had in the Bionicle movies. And I think that could also be declared the point at which a character with proportions like the original Pohatu's could no longer really "fit in" with the other Toa.

 

However, I don't think a kicking function is entirely out of the question. The LEGO Group has surprised me before when it comes to functions. Maybe they could find a way to make it work that wouldn't result in quite such absurdly wide hips. I don't see it being a huge priority for them, though. Not when there are so many other potential functions to draw from.

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I hope I get big feet this wave. The waist function brings me hope for the kicking function I used to have.

A waist-spinning function and a kicking function are two very different things... unless you're trying for some sort of flying hurricane kick, I can't see how this function could effectively simulate kicking at all, since you'd either be rotating the entire upper body or the entire lower body.

 

I thought that flying on a sandstorm like Taz was a bit unrealistic, so the obvious course of action is to rotate my entire lower body, spinning the legs like propellors and generating enough lift to fly.

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I just noticed how bizarre 2016 Tahu's leg-proportions are. If I'm not mistaken, looking at the magazine scan, he has those same friction extenders on his ankles and hips, but his upper-legs are one unit longer than his 2015 form, and his lower legs are two units shorter than his 2015 form. So, the same irritating friction, and even stranger dimensions in the legs.

 

Furthermore, he has a blue Bohrok eye attached to each foot, I guess to match the blue print on his chest.

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Yeah, that's been bugging me for a long time. Apparently, lego couldn't make trans-orange bones in a third size this year without going out of business, so Tahu's shins are much, MUCH shorter than his thighs. That's going to make for some extremely awkward posing.

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Looks like they're getting a new torso piece, one more Technic-focused and less specific to a traditional biped build like the CCBS torsos we've been getting for the past few years. Unless that's a part I'm just not familiar with, in which case, I'm pretty psyched just because of the custom torso build! :D

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Looks like Tahu has the same piece, albeit less visible:

 

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