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Should we determine the weapons of the Toa Mangai?

  

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Hey all - i'm fairly new to this site, so we'll see if i did the poll thing right, but i've noticed a lot of discontent about canonizing the weapons of the mangai, mostly based on the fact that the options are just too broad. i figured i'd save us some time and just jump right to the point: should we even bother continuing discussion about the toa tools if the majority doesn't want to know about them?

 

personally, i don't think we should decide on this, and assuming my poll works, i will be voting accordingly. with the element of the last mangai, and everyone's masks, there were/are a specific set of predetermined options we have to choose from. with the tools, it's simply too much, and there are too many opinions from too many people to consider.

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Just so you know... You enabled the ability to make multiple selections. So people could theoretically pick "yes" and "no". That's something that you should be able to still disable though by unchecking the box in the poll settings. :)

 

And for what it's worth, I did vote no.

 

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I'm half at the point where I'm like "why not just go all the way?" (which is a horrible attitude for it, I know) but considering how difficult it would be (weapons polls are extremely difficult, as we've discovered), I gotta vote no.
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I'm firmly on the side of LET'S DO IT. Or, at least get a poll rolling, with "unknown" as an option. It is possible to plan out weapons via poll, it's just...not straightforward...and we'd need to reach a consensus before we start.


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i voted no, but of course, knowing the people who do this kind of thing, they'll go ahead and canonize them anyway.

 

i'm really getting tired of this.

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I voted no. We don't need to know everything about the Toa Mangai. I believe whatever weapons they had should be left to the imagination on the fan.

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i voted no, but of course, knowing the people who do this kind of thing, they'll go ahead and canonize them anyway.

 

i'm really getting tired of this.

I voted no. We don't need to know everything about the Toa Mangai. I believe whatever weapons they had should be left to the imagination on the fan.

I agree. All of the Mangai canonization just feels a little unnecessary. They probably should have just stopped after canonizing the last Toa Mangai's element. And to be honest, I don't care for a second about what weapons they have. I just don't find it important.

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I'm a huge pro-fan-canon advocate, but I don't think this should be known, especially since Toa use different tools now and then.

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I'm still somewhat undecided, but I voted no. Unlike the mask powers and elements, the tool shapes give us very little understanding of battles or personality.

 

The main upside to learning them is artists who like canon-fit work, and fanfic writers. Those are enough if Greg really wants to, but it's completely up to him. If he decides that and has us run the poll, I'm fine with that. But I wouldn't want to ask him to do it.

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I voted no. This whole "make everything about the Mangai known and canon" business is unnecessary.

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I went the oh no spaghetti oh route and voted yes. I was going to vote no at first but I thought about Lhikan's cool sword(/shield/flying hover board?!)

I always thought it was a really cool and interesting weapon and I think it was truly a part of Lhikan. It made him seem more noble with its nice design and whatnot. If we do ever determine the Toa Mangai's weapons, which seems unlikely at this point, couldn't it fit with their masks/element? I'm not 100% down with my own argument but hey I'm trying to raise some questions.

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I'm pro-canonization, but I'm going to say no to this one, simply because there are too many options and that it's something I don't really care about too much.

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Definitely not. I don't really care anymore about the masks, at least for those there is a limited pool from which to choose and it's not just people throwing out whatever. Everything about the idea of trying to make polls about weapons is terrible.

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I'm generally pro-canonization, but the weapon is the first one I saw that I thought, Who cares? I understand the Mask and Element because they make the worldbuilding stronger, but the weapon adds virtually nothing. Maybe the next poll can be on what kind of shin guards he had.

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I'm generally pro-canonization, but the weapon is the first one I saw that I thought, Who cares? I understand the Mask and Element because they make the worldbuilding stronger, but the weapon adds virtually nothing. Maybe the next poll can be on what kind of shin guards he had.

 

flared shin guards, or possibly something wooden. :b

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Once again, you are not Greg Farshtey.

i'm pretty sure everyone here is aware of that.

 

if you could elaborate on what you mean by this, though...?

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how long do you guys think we should wait before calling it a day for this one? we already have an overwhelming majority saying no, but i don't want to cut this too soon. i'm thinking a week?

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how long do you guys think we should wait before calling it a day for this one? we already have an overwhelming majority saying no, but i don't want to cut this too soon. i'm thinking a week?

I think a week would be a good length of time before closing this poll. 


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how long do you guys think we should wait before calling it a day for this one? we already have an overwhelming majority saying no, but i don't want to cut this too soon. i'm thinking a week?

I think a week would be a good length of time before closing this poll. 

 

But what happens when the "no" bar is completely filled in? :D

 

But yeah, most of what needed to be said has been said already, but in case that's untrue, it would be a good idea to keep this going for a week.


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Once again, you are not Greg Farshtey.

i'm pretty sure everyone here is aware of that.

 

if you could elaborate on what you mean by this, though...?

 

Of course I'm not Greg. It seems that he is going around thinking that once this has been completed that it is automatically canon, but Greg has to approve it. If he didn't like it, he wouldn't approve the stuff.

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Once again, you are not Greg Farshtey.

i'm pretty sure everyone here is aware of that.

 

if you could elaborate on what you mean by this, though...?

 

Of course I'm not Greg. It seems that he is going around thinking that once this has been completed that it is automatically canon, but Greg has to approve it. If he didn't like it, he wouldn't approve the stuff.

 

Sometimes he is put under pressure.

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The Three Virtues talked about this in the newest episode. I'm rather indifferent about the situation.


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i voted no. its entirely irrelevant at this point and if i wanna give naho a giant pizza cutter as a dual-purpose weapon/vehicle then i will and i dont want a bunch of nerds coming in to tell me its not canon

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The Three Virtues talked about this in the newest episode.

your point being?

 

i voted no. its entirely irrelevant at this point and if i wanna give naho a giant pizza cutter as a dual-purpose weapon/vehicle then i will and i dont want a bunch of nerds coming in to tell me its not canon

its decided. pizza cutter naho is canon. this is the only one that will be canonized, everyone go home

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i voted no. its entirely irrelevant at this point and if i wanna give naho a giant pizza cutter as a dual-purpose weapon/vehicle then i will and i dont want a bunch of nerds coming in to tell me its not canon

its decided. pizza cutter naho is canon. this is the only one that will be canonized, everyone go home

 

YES. It's the last Mangai weapon that will ever be canonized! Enjoy, folks!

 

I think I'm actually gonna make that.

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Once again, you are not Greg Farshtey.

i'm pretty sure everyone here is aware of that.

 

if you could elaborate on what you mean by this, though...?

 

Of course I'm not Greg. It seems that he is going around thinking that once this has been completed that it is automatically canon, but Greg has to approve it. If he didn't like it, he wouldn't approve the stuff.

 

Sometimes he is put under pressure.

 

Oh please. He was put under pressure when it took him 7 posts before he broke down and said, Fine, Lehvak-Kal is in orbit.

 

With this, he willingly accepts any results, and has recently stated that the polls don't bother him.

 

Also, half the stuff discussed in that TTV episode was misinformation and speculation/assumptions.

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The Three Virtues talked about this in the newest episode.

 

your point being?

 

I was just saying, sheesh.

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If we had some specific choices in the form of pictures, then sure.  But since we don't, I really don't care.  If someone makes a poll for them, cool, but I'm not gonna vote in it.

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Certainly not. The Mangai are diluted enough as it is without the fact that we should know their weapons.

 

In my opinion, the Mangai should be legendary and we should have left it at elements. Kanohi is already too much, let's not include weapons into this.

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I voted no, since it's not really necessary as part of a Toa's identity. Tahu is Tahu whether he wields a flame sword or a lava board (No, Mistika doesn't count, not does Stars)

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In my opinion, the Mangai should be legendary and we should have left it at elements. Kanohi is already too much, let's not include weapons into this.

That's an interesting point you got there. Tell me, does it basically mean that the legend wasn't supposed to be detailed like a lot of fairy tales? But yeah, preserving the legend is a pretty fresh point here.
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Paraphrasing what i said on the Toa Mangai of the Green's weapon topic...

 

I voted yes. I think that the mangai weapons canonization status should be handled on a weapon-by-weapon basis, not a blanket "NO MORE". With the GAFCP in place now, there is space for random "something wooden" style suggestions to be rejected, but to accept people who submit a well-thought out reasoning for a weapon, and to have the poll based on those. If the majority opinion truly is that they all remain unknown, then in every poll, "unknown" would win. However, the idea that we should blanketly say that there should not be any discussion about the weapons at all is something i am against. This silences those in favor canonization, just like people who had been against canonization had (unfortunatly) been silenced up to this point.


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Sorry to revive this somewhat old thread but I only just came across it via a link elsewhere on the site. I can't help but notice that more than three times as many people voted no on this than yes. Does that mean the weapons will NOT be receiving the same desperate canonisation polls as the other Mangai topics that have been going around? Also, did anyone ever do one of these polls for the mangai masks before all of Boidoh's polls for those started? Might be interesting to see how people feel about them, even though it would be retroactive seeing as so many have already finished now. We can always 'uncanon' these things if 75% of the community disagrees with the choices though right?



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