otter Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 except he's got enhanced strength and not super speed these bullets move faster than the speed of sound and they're being fired by the crack shots of the USMC and by snipers specifically by all logic he should be dead by now Quote profiles i guess i'm a south american giant otter now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havelock Vetinari Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Also AP rounds. Which do exactly what the name implies. They take armor. And go through it. Quote I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are the good people and the bad people. You are wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snelly Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 In my mind he is dead. Quote My Bzprpg Profiles, Ghosts of Bara Magna Skyra | Hakari | Oceanna | Taleen | Arisaka | Zanakra | Kaminari | Drakkar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otter Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Also AP rounds. Which do exactly what the name implies. They take armor. And go through it. Guys, I think TNG just learned a new phrase today. Armour-Piercing. Quote profiles i guess i'm a south american giant otter now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krayzikk Posted March 15, 2013 Author Share Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) TNG, I am going to completely level with you. This post? This one is going to be without the usual filtering that goes into my analysis posts. Because clearly nothing else is getting through to you. I'm saying I want his fire to be taken down to a reasonable level. That's what the point of the long debates about a week ago to de-power him to a reasonable level were all about. In fact, I wasn't even sure I wanted to approve him at the level he was at. Not because of his powers, not because of any loopholes that I might have accidentally left open, but because I've seen what happens when you are given a character that hasn't had its powers limited as much as humanly possible. It had happened in the BZPRPG. It has happened in Alignment. It has happened here. I knew what I was getting into when I approved that character, but I had hoped that I would not have to deal with this. His power is already one of the more versatile ones in the game. There is a lot you can do with heat, and a lot that can be done with fire. If you use it right, it's a potentially deadly tool. But you know what fire doesn't do? It doesn't fire like an AK-47, which is what you seem to think it does. It is not a fire assault rifle, it is not a fire machine gun. It is fire. Want to make a fireball? Go ahead. Want a flame thrower? Go ahead. Want to manipulate fire in any one of countless other ways? Be my guest. There is a reason I was adverse to allowing you to bend the laws of physics to allow fire bullets, and this is it. Because you treat it like some kind of gun. Most characters in this game? They don't use guns. And if they do, it's either a part of their power, compensating for a lack of a power, or otherwise a small enough weapon that it can't cause too much of an issue. Instead, you took the little bit of leeway we gave you, and you used it to make a freaking fire Uzi. If you're trying to make it so the enemy can dodge your attacks about as well as they can automatic gunfire, you're doing something wrong. Further, if you are designing a character due to their level of fighting ability, you are doing something wrong. If you are trying to make him capable of going toe to toe with a SpecOps member, you are doing something so wrong it is not even funny. You should be designing a character, not a Fightbot. The fact that your biggest objection to my point about fire bullets is that it would make Burnblade the "most pathetic of your fighters" speaks volumes. Instead of bending physics to your will for Rule of Cool, learn to make use of the power. Then maybe he won't be as pathetic in your eyes, as sad as that is to see as a scale for a character. And no. You don't get that he's under fire from multiple enemies. You don't understand that a supersoldier who is faster and stronger than him in every way is attacking at melee range, you don't get that you're being shot at by trained snipers who were chosen as part of the guards for a presidential event, you don't get that you're dealing with soldiers tough enough to deal witha full blown riot, and you don't seem to understand what your limits are! Because if you did, you wound't be getting away with superficial damage! Your untrained character wouldn't be "clumsily" dodging sniper shots, he wouldn't be dodging every blow from someone trained in melee combat, and he wouldn't be safe right now! If you were playing the way you should be, he would be seriously injured. Because you know what? You picked a fight you couldn't handle. Them's the breaks. Actions have consequences, and these are the consequences of Burnblade's. You're ignoring the intention behind a ruling, you're arguing with the Co-GM who helped to make that ruling, and you're performing maneuvers that are, for your character, full on god modding. You don't seem able to acknowledge your character's limits, and you don't seem to have a problem with that. Edited March 15, 2013 by The Snark Knight Quote On this eve, the thirtieth anniversary of that first colony, many are left to wonder; is the world fast approaching a breaking point? Breaking Point: An OTC Mecha RPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otter Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 This is so much fun. Now I know why you like snark so much. Anyways, kill kill kill. That is all. Quote profiles i guess i'm a south american giant otter now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow pridak money gang Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 CLEAR [2] -Tyler Quote SAY IT ONE MORE TIME TELL ME WHAT IS ON YOUR MIND Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havelock Vetinari Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 And lo did the avatar of rage go forth and spread ruination.... Quote I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are the good people and the bad people. You are wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axilus Prime Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Well that escalated quickly. Now I'm not sure what to do. And actually, this character was meant to be weaker than most of my starter (Usually my strongest is the starter) characters in comparison to the rest. I made him to express my moral beliefs on the whole mutants/humans/ethics thing, not to be the ultimate warrior. But I didn't want to make him a bullet sponge either, so I gave him enough power for self-defense against just about any fighter style PC. I did not make him for the purpose of being a bad*** like some of my other characters. So I guess I should re-write his fire powers now, possibly from the ground up. Then I guess I would have to get them approved again. Apparently I gave him a stupid primary method of attack. Does that work? I have to request that he isn't attacked in any way shape or form until he can be placed back into the game properly though. (And Otter, I will make a point of ignoring a kill attempt from you, just because that seems to be your intention. Attacking a guy who technically does not exist in his current form at the moment is just cheap, and basically spawn camping/spawn killing.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otter Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) And lo did the avatar of rage go forth and spread ruination.... >mfw Krayzikk as "avatar of rage" TNG: I'm terribly sorry that my trained military fighter should have been rather able to fire upon and kill your character, instead of his going "whoop-de-doo you missed woo-hoo" like he did. Because, y'know, this logic thing is useful to play by. Edited March 15, 2013 by The Otter Quote profiles i guess i'm a south american giant otter now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krayzikk Posted March 15, 2013 Author Share Posted March 15, 2013 This is so much fun. Now I know why you like snark so much. Anyways, kill kill kill. That is all. CLEAR [2] -Tyler And lo did the avatar of rage go forth and spread ruination....Have I mentioned I love you guys recently? Quote On this eve, the thirtieth anniversary of that first colony, many are left to wonder; is the world fast approaching a breaking point? Breaking Point: An OTC Mecha RPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axilus Prime Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Ahem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havelock Vetinari Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 By all logic, he should be dead. I'm with Otter here. Taking on marines in an open kill zone has that effect. Quote I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are the good people and the bad people. You are wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krayzikk Posted March 15, 2013 Author Share Posted March 15, 2013 TNG, I have no idea what you want me to do. I've said what I intended to say, I've made my point, now it's up to you. The only thing you must do is cease the modding. I saw your post. I had nothing to say in response. Quote On this eve, the thirtieth anniversary of that first colony, many are left to wonder; is the world fast approaching a breaking point? Breaking Point: An OTC Mecha RPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otter Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Ahem. Oh, by the way, perhaps you forgot these: except he's got enhanced strength and not super speed these bullets move faster than the speed of sound and they're being fired by the crack shots of the USMC and by snipers specifically by all logic he should be dead by now Also AP rounds. Which do exactly what the name implies. They take armor. And go through it. AKA: Snipers firing at him with armour-piercing bullets, which would cut through something like unto kevlar like butter, along with the trained marines on the ground. I know you don't want your first character in this RPG dead. But the simple fact of the matter is that, by all means, there's no feasible way he isn't dead right now. Quote profiles i guess i'm a south american giant otter now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havelock Vetinari Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) Thought for the day: The Evil Overlord kills for fun and profit. The Good Overlord kills for the good of his nation. The 'Pacifist Overlord' is more accurately described as 'The Former-Overlord'."— OddHat Seems relevent. Edited March 15, 2013 by Basilisk Quote I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are the good people and the bad people. You are wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madara: Mangekyou Master Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) Axilus, in the words of Red Alert 2...Warning, nuclear missile launched. Edited March 15, 2013 by Madara: Mangekyou Master Quote STAR WARS GALAXY AT WAR ... we have cookies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havelock Vetinari Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 And so go the most powerful pro-mutant voices in the USA. Quote I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are the good people and the bad people. You are wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makuta of Time Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 I really need Marauder to get moving. I'm still waiting on Tyler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axilus Prime Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Ok, so, final question. If I change his fire powers to allow for a greater control range, but speed that is possible to see with the human eye, can I re-join the game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advent Child Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) How... interesting things have gotten. Both IC and OOC. I always miss everything. I can't even begin to imagine what I'm gonna miss when I'm in Boston this weekend. Edited March 15, 2013 by .:Advent Aeternale:. Quote ~Totally like a boomerang. I always come back. Just never when you want me to.~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Lord Splash Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Yeah, things are moving pretty fast right now. Been a while since the RP had this much activity lol. Quote BZP-RPG Profiles Marvel Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advent Child Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 And slowly but surely, this RPG gets closer and closer to making good on it's title. Quote ~Totally like a boomerang. I always come back. Just never when you want me to.~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow pridak money gang Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Constructman, your boy just keeps catching surprise after surprise after surprise... -Tyler Quote SAY IT ONE MORE TIME TELL ME WHAT IS ON YOUR MIND Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axilus Prime Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Actually, I think I might quit. No one's going to take anything I do in this RPG seriously at all now that this has happened. Unless anyone has an objection to it, I'm out of here. This isn't exactly what I'd call worth fighting or arguing for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25K Now! Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Actually, I think I might quit. No one's going to take anything I do in this RPG seriously at all now that this has happened. Unless anyone has an objection to it, I'm out of here. This isn't exactly what I'd call worth fighting or arguing for.Ara ara~ Such pessimism! People won't take you seriously, yes, but you've only been playing for less than a week! Do more things! Rational things! Make yourself seem serious through your roleplaying! Don't let the chance to prove everyone wrong fly away! Will you do it? Quote http://vimeo.com/198967785 BZPRPG Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constructelf Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 How... interesting things have gotten. Both IC and OOC. I always miss everything. I can't even begin to imagine what I'm gonna miss when I'm in Boston this weekend.Same here. I'll be gone starting tonight (though not to Boston); might not be able to post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Quicksilver... Quote No such thing as destiny. BZPRPG Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madara: Mangekyou Master Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 :'( Poor Nicole. That poor girl. It's a good thing that the Vice-President wasn't there. Quote STAR WARS GALAXY AT WAR ... we have cookies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow pridak money gang Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Quicksilver... Daken! Quote SAY IT ONE MORE TIME TELL ME WHAT IS ON YOUR MIND Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krayzikk Posted March 15, 2013 Author Share Posted March 15, 2013 Alright, I have a question for you folks. The Brotherhood/Enforcer fight is clearly going nowhere, because I haven't been able to get the one behind the Enforcers to actually post on a regular basis. Similarly, it would appear that the Brotherhood has been mobilizing in the meant time. So would anyone have any objections if I simply retconned the event out of continuity? Quote On this eve, the thirtieth anniversary of that first colony, many are left to wonder; is the world fast approaching a breaking point? Breaking Point: An OTC Mecha RPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 No, no real objections. Though since I technically have second in command I could post as them instead. Quote No such thing as destiny. BZPRPG Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Yankee Kilo Echo Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Um, Kaithas. Supremacy is pretty much dead. So shooting him won't do any good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Lord Splash Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Alright, I have a question for you folks. The Brotherhood/Enforcer fight is clearly going nowhere, because I haven't been able to get the one behind the Enforcers to actually post on a regular basis. Similarly, it would appear that the Brotherhood has been mobilizing in the meant time. So would anyone have any objections if I simply retconned the event out of continuity?I'm not a fan of such a big ret-con. The invasion was mentioned several times. But it would be plasuable that the attack was called off for now. Especially since Pietro is apparently at the national monument where he just killed the President. Or all of the chaos that is going on in New York, it would make sense the Enforcers would show. Or, you could always take over the assualt yourself . Quote BZP-RPG Profiles Marvel Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havelock Vetinari Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Don't ask me to to do anything with it. Just an FYI. I'd have just nuked the place. But I'm practical. Quote I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are the good people and the bad people. You are wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Silly Zyke. I don't do things halfway. Quote No such thing as destiny. BZPRPG Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madara: Mangekyou Master Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Don't ask me to to do anything with it. Just an FYI. I'd have just nuked the place. But I'm practical. No kill like overkill Quote STAR WARS GALAXY AT WAR ... we have cookies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krayzikk Posted March 15, 2013 Author Share Posted March 15, 2013 Alright, I have a question for you folks. The Brotherhood/Enforcer fight is clearly going nowhere, because I haven't been able to get the one behind the Enforcers to actually post on a regular basis. Similarly, it would appear that the Brotherhood has been mobilizing in the meant time. So would anyone have any objections if I simply retconned the event out of continuity?I'm not a fan of such a big ret-con. The invasion was mentioned several times. But it would be plasuable that the attack was called off for now. Especially since Pietro is apparently at the national monument where he just killed the President. Or all of the chaos that is going on in New York, it would make sense the Enforcers would show. Or, you could always take over the assualt yourself .See, the invasion hasn't really been mentioned outside of the handful of posts relevant to it. And most of those occurred two weeks ago. If this was an issue that was recently occurring, I'd just take over myself and keep it going. But I have no idea what the plans were, people didn't seem that big into the idea in the first place, and it has ground to a halt. Quote On this eve, the thirtieth anniversary of that first colony, many are left to wonder; is the world fast approaching a breaking point? Breaking Point: An OTC Mecha RPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havelock Vetinari Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 No kill like overkill When it comes to mutants, there is no such thing. The fact they made giant killer robots to enforce the laws against them kinda confirms that. Quote I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are the good people and the bad people. You are wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advent Child Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Meh. I'm all for the retcon. To be honest, it really went nowhere, and there appears to be no interest in it. Quote ~Totally like a boomerang. I always come back. Just never when you want me to.~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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