BZPRPG News and Discussion

[ToaKapura1234]

Well, not quite a god, but that's what I've been saying. Nothing came out. He's faked death plenty of times before (in canon) which at least means that he can:

 

1. After Toa Mata "defeat" him.

 

2. After Takanuva "kills" him.

 

3. (Debatable) After Axonn smashes the vat holding his essence.

 

4. After the Barraki destroy Maxilos.

 

5. After the big rock hit his head. Oh, right that actually killed him. Never mind.

[Voutok S'Tythe (Ray)]

We could be lying. Wouldn't it be interesting if, for once, the "clue" was nothing more than a massive decoy? We haven't done it yet in ANY incarnation of the BZPRPG, but therefore stands to reason that such a move becomes more and more plausible with every passing arc. I would find it hilarious if not devious. Then again I could be lying about lying and the vault is quintessentially important, the answer to life and everything, and somehow NOT 42. You never know with staff... In any case, watching this topic come up every other week and seeing you all run around trying to figure it out makes me giddy. I enjoy the antics... hehe, you guys are so much fun to watch

I know the feeling. In a small-group RP I was in on [sITE OF MINE WITHHELD DUE TO RULES AND STUFF] I wrote up a super-convoluted plot that pretty much thickened every ten posts and such. It's always fun to watch other people speculate details of something convoluted you write, and can be hilarious depending on what they speculate =P

Anyways, I'm more questioning HOW Makuta managed to put that riddle on his door; he had, after all, been planning to win his fight agains the Maru, right?? I think if we solve that, it'll help solve the riddle.....and to solve that we just have to wait out the story.

Or...What if Makuta didn't write the riddle? Was that ever explicitly stated? I forget, but if not that's something to scratch your head over (and potentially give Tuck a laugh if we're wrong_.. Edited June 6, 2013 by Voutok S'Tythe (Ray)

[The Nold]

Well, not quite a god, but that's what I've been saying. Nothing came out. He's faked death plenty of times before (in canon) which at least means that he can:...5. After the big rock hit his head. Oh, right that actually killed him. Never mind.

We've been TOLD that killed him, but didn't they say Takanuva killed him? Correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't pay close attention to the story then, but if I'm right, think about it. Anyway, back on topic: I think he might've faked it.

[Lara White]

I am of the opinion that whatever is behind the Vault exists to sow dissent between the villages, hence why Hewkii asked the Maru to keep the Vault shut. Remember that the description said that no one can quite remember where they heard the story about the Vault.

 

[The Nold]

I am of the opinion that whatever is behind the Vault exists to sow dissent between the villages, hence why Hewkii asked the Maru to keep the Vault shut. Remember that the description said that no one can quite remember where they heard the story about the Vault.

Could be, could be... Edited June 6, 2013 by Toa of Awesomeness

[- JL -]

 

Well, not quite a god, but that's what I've been saying. Nothing came out. He's faked death plenty of times before (in canon) which at least means that he can:...5. After the big rock hit his head. Oh, right that actually killed him. Never mind.

We've been TOLD that killed him, but didn't they say Takanuva killed him? Correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't pay close attention to the story then, but if I'm right, think about it. Anyway, back on topic: I think he might've faked it.

He didn't fake it; he isn't dead though. The Hiripaki made legends come to life; something comes out, another goes in. Right now what happened is the thing that the Hiripaki was used for was 'go in', but in the same way the 'go out' would be normally used.

 

We can assume that something came out of legend, and I think it'll be related to a plot that Stannis will eventually have to claim responsibility for.

[Lara White]

Would be nice if he got off his high horse for once.

 

[Palm]

I'm confused as to what that has to do with the conversation we're currently having. Which I'm pretty sure is the logistics and implications of the Hiripaki and its use on Makuta. His ego has little to nothing to do with either of those things (and has no effect on them either; both initially and what the outcome later will be), but I suppose if we really want to start a totally new topic that seems less like analyzing or picking up on character flaws and more like just saying random things about a character for no reason that aren't even very accurate to begin with I suppose we could.¯_(ツ)_/¯

Edited June 6, 2013 by snoip lion

[Lara White]

Whoa, whoa, chill out. Someone commented that Stannis will have to answer for whatever came out of legend and I said I look forward to it. Granted, in a roundabout way, but I think you're overreacting.

 

...Also I just realized he shares a name with a character from a TV series which breaks so many BZP rules it's not even funny so I won't name it.

 

[EmperorWhenua]

Let me say it for you, then: Game of Thrones. One can mention it all they like, they can even talk about it, they just can't use the objectionable stuff in it. Also, it's a book series, so there's that. I used the name because I liked it and the character wasn't actually meant to be anything more than an adventurer.

 

Also, Lloyd, it really did seem like you just said that remark to spite the character. You worded it very wrong, man. If you have a critique make it sound so instead of making it seem like a direct criticism. Thanks.

[Palm]

I'm not upset, I'm confused.I can think of a dozen better ways to say I'm looking forward to Stannis responding to the exchange in a way that doesn't leave people guessing whether or not it was a blatant disregard of obvious characterization, an unprecedented check-up on one's character, or if it was meant to be a legitimate criticism. Maybe word things differently that doesn't leave stupid people like me really confused about your thought process.

[Relapse]

Would be nice if he got off his high horse for once.

^wait don't you play hewkii

[Lara White]

@ EW: Okay, GoT, fine. No need to condescend me. Didn't want to risk running afoul of BZP rules, they can get a little strict at times. Also, what, can I not express frustration with a character? It wasn't meant as a critique, I would have done that over PM.

 

@ Fair point. Perhaps I should have said I look forward to him getting knocked off his high horse. Perhaps that makes my opinion on him clear as well as why I'm looking forward to it.

 

@ Shuhei: Yes, yes I am. And I have made a point of portraying him as considerate, personable, and caring. Please do not try to compare that to Stannis.

 

Edited June 6, 2013 by Lloyd: the White Wolf

[EmperorWhenua]

Ah, so it was a criticism. Well, those have no place here, either, sorry. And you seem to miss the whole fact that Stannis is very much aware of the ramifications from the use of the Hiripaki and is, indeed, quite humble about that. It's like you skirted around the fact that, in the brief period I've played him so far in this arc, I've done much to portray him as kind, thoughtful and troubled. So as far as your criticism goes, not only was it in the wrong place and unwanted, it was also wrong.

 

I will hear no more talk about the matter here in the topic. Let's move on.

[Lara White]

I will have to take this up with you via IM.

 

Concerning Lt. Obvious' comment that it ends with "Nui," that's extremely unhelpful. It could be Metru Nui, it could be Mata Nui, but it could also be the Rahi Nui. I still express distrust of anything from Makuta.

 

[The Nold]

... What the flying Karzahni turtle just happened?Anyway, back on topic, can we all agree on Makuta not being dead? Because that could help tremendously with deciphering the riddle. Also, anyone got any thoughts on the parts I think I got figured out?@Lloyd Or, he could be übermegasuperduperflyingenchilladas trolling us, and it's "something located on Mata Nui."

[Toatapio Nuva]

The Rahi Nui would certainly be a cool thing to have in this RPG. Imagine a massive battle against the beast... oh yes. Anyone feel like exploring the Place of Shadow?

 

As for Makuta, I understood he was never killed, just trapped in a legend by the Kanohi of Stannis. Does this mean he could theoretically be released again, if Stannis (or maybe even someone else if that someone stole the mask) used the mask that way? Just wondering.

[Relapse]

@ Shuhei: Yes, yes I am. And I have made a point of portraying him as considerate, personable, and caring. Please do not try to compare that to Stannis.

Is he not the one who severed ties with any other civilization before expecting them to trust him with a shady piece of foreign equipment?

[Lara White]

...

 

I'm surprised word of my plans has apparently not leaked out yet. Maybe the BZPRPG's just that big.

 

[The Lorax]

The Rahi Nui would certainly be a cool thing to have in this RPG. Imagine a massive battle against the beast... oh yes. Anyone feel like exploring the Place of Shadow?

 

As for Makuta, I understood he was never killed, just trapped in a legend by the Kanohi of Stannis. Does this mean he could theoretically be released again, if Stannis (or maybe even someone else if that someone stole the mask) used the mask that way? Just wondering.

 

On the Rahi Nui, I'll quote Nuju to answer that:

 

As of this moment, the Rahi-Nui has never existed, never will exist - or, if it does, it has not been unleashed top the eye of the world at large. I hope that clears things up.

 

And on the Hiripaki, yes, that would be theoretically possible, but EW has said (in a lot more words) that he'd step on the mask before letting that happen.

[- JL -]

... What the flying Karzahni turtle just happened?Anyway, back on topic, can we all agree on Makuta not being dead? Because that could help tremendously with deciphering the riddle. Also, anyone got any thoughts on the parts I think I got figured out?@Lloyd Or, he could be übermegasuperduperflyingenchilladas trolling us, and it's "something located on Mata Nui."

What I wanna see is what legend he's been put into.

[EmperorWhenua]

-The- legend. It's like a plane of nonexistence.

[- JL -]

-The- legend. It's like a plane of nonexistence.

So....

Makuta exists in non-existence now?

 

Sounds soooo fun...

[otter]

...

 

So, I just got back, and I'm wondering what on Earth happened here.

 

Or why people are still going "Makuta ain't dead, he'll come back" when it's been explicitly stated multiple times (including just above) that he's been turned into a character from legend, and as such can't come back unless Stannis decides to bring him back, which I'm betting won't ever happen.

 

Mainly 'cause EW wouldn't do that, or let somebody else steal the mask so they could.

 

And, like, other stuff.

[Geardirector]

You know what I just realized?

 

That even if my Sentinel character is kicked off the force, I may still have a decent plan for him (not that he should be, I'm just saying). So that's what knowing your way around the game feels like... I like it.

 

TL;DR I'm awesome and so are you

[The Lonesome Wanderer]

I think he probably put it there ahead of time in case he ever died or left. Or... What if he never died? What if it was all faked, an elaborate hoax? He was, after all, pretty much a god.

Hirkapi has power similar to the Vahi or Inika, both of which were show to effect Makuta. He's gone, but something had to have replaced him in the world, as per the laws of the Hirkapi.

I think that the Vault came out of the trade. Like, the WHOLE vault.

 

-The- legend. It's like a plane of nonexistence.

So....

Makuta exists in non-existence now?

 

Sounds soooo fun...

And anyone else thinking of those Santum things when you read this?

[The Nold]

 

-The- legend. It's like a plane of nonexistence.

So....Makuta exists in non-existence now? Sounds soooo fun...

Wait, existing in nonexistence? Error, error, this logic does not compute *brain explodes*. Edited June 6, 2013 by Toa of Awesomeness

[Meta-Mind]

... So, I just got back, and I'm wondering what on Earth happened here. Or why people are still going "Makuta ain't dead, he'll come back" when it's been explicitly stated multiple times (including just above) that he's been turned into a character from legend, and as such can't come back unless Stannis decides to bring him back, which I'm betting won't ever happen. Mainly 'cause EW wouldn't do that, or let somebody else steal the mask so they could. And, like, other stuff.

...This really wants me to make a Makuta-follower who dedicates his life to making things difficult for Stannis/stealing his mask. And when (if?) he fails for good...CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT HAPPENSOn an unrelated note, could someone fill me in on what's happening in the Anxilia plot?

[Relapse]

If what came out when Makuta went into the Legend has to be equal to him, IMO it could be some sleeping titan. Maybe another Makuta?

[The Nold]

... So, I just got back, and I'm wondering what on Earth happened here. Or why people are still going "Makuta ain't dead, he'll come back" when it's been explicitly stated multiple times (including just above) that he's been turned into a character from legend, and as such can't come back unless Stannis decides to bring him back, which I'm betting won't ever happen. Mainly 'cause EW wouldn't do that, or let somebody else steal the mask so they could. And, like, other stuff.

Y'never know, some Makuta follower or somebody could catch him in Morton's Fork(if you have no idea what that is, it's when somebody, usually a villain, presents the hero with multiple options that all end with the creator of the Fork winning/the hero losing. For instance:You, the hero, challenge me, the villain, to combat, and beat me. You can either kill me or let me live, and meanwhile I'm the only one who can control the dragon currently headed for the orphanage. If you let me live, I'm sure to escape and one day take over the world. If you kill me, my dragon destroys the orphanage and probably the rest of the town before you can stop it. If you let me live long enough to stop the dragon, then kill me after I stop it, I become the martyr who died to save the orphans, and you the vile monster who killed me. No matter what, I win. Edited June 6, 2013 by Toa of Awesomeness

[EmperorWhenua]

Wait, existing in nonexistence? Error, error, this logic does not compute *brain explodes*.

It means the Makuta does not exist. Period.

 

If what came out when Makuta went into the Legend has to be equal to him, IMO it could be some sleeping titan. Maybe another Makuta?

It all depends on what the Hiripaki user defines the thing he's moving to be. Stannis saw the Makuta as a powerful and foreign, oppressive enemy; whatever comes out of the legend has to fit those criteria. At this point it could be anything.

Edited June 6, 2013 by EmperorWhenua

[The Nold]

 

Wait, existing in nonexistence? Error, error, this logic does not compute *brain explodes*.

It means the Makuta does not exist. Period.

I realize that, but he said "EXISTING in nonexistence," which is a paradox.

[The Lorax]

It all depends on what the Hiripaki user defines the thing he's moving to be. Stannis saw the Makuta as a powerful and foreign, oppressive enemy; whatever comes out of the legend has to fit those criteria. At this point it could be anything.

 

It's a ticklemonster!

[The Nold]

...Last year, the News & Discussion topic devolved on many occasions into off-topic spam, personal arguments, and general ill feeling. While much of that, of course, is unavoidable (knowing you guys!)...

Don't take this the wrong way, but this almost made me laugh, being active on certain... other sites around the Internet. Edited June 6, 2013 by Toa of Awesomeness

[Franco]

 

It all depends on what the Hiripaki user defines the thing he's moving to be. Stannis saw the Makuta as a powerful and foreign, oppressive enemy; whatever comes out of the legend has to fit those criteria. At this point it could be anything.

 

It's a ticklemonster!

No.

 

It's the Mole King.

Edited June 6, 2013 by Mr. Peanuts

[otter]

Y'never know, some Makuta follower or somebody could catch him in Morton's Fork(if you have no idea what that is, it's when somebody, usually a villain, presents the hero with multiple options that all end with the creator of the Fork winning/the hero losing. For instance:You, the hero, challenge me, the villain, to combat, and beat me. You can either kill me or let me live, and meanwhile I'm the only one who can control the dragon currently headed for the orphanage. If you let me live, I'm sure to escape and one day take over the world. If you kill me, my dragon destroys the orphanage and probably the rest of the town before you can stop it. If you let me live long enough to stop the dragon, then kill me after I stop it, I become the martyr who died to save the orphans, and you the vile monster who killed me. No matter what, I win.

 

There are a lot of what-if's right there, as there always is in Morton's fork, and each of those could be easily exploited, add to that the fact that if anybody here is able to exploit Morton's Fork, it'd be EW with Stannis...

 

Good luck, kiddo.

 

No.

 

It's the Mole King.

 

Oh, dear.

[Palm]

I thought that was the Rahkshi.

[The Lonesome Wanderer]

...........

Wasn't there a creature in the canon that dug tunnels in the shape of the Mata Nui symbol?

It's eather that or the Mole King.

[The Lorax]

You mean Blade Burrowers?

[BenLuke]

Yes, which are some of the Mole King's subjects, of course.